2022 our 25th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Who's Online Now
41 members (alexcomoda, Animisha, benkeys, Burkhard, 20/20 Vision, AlkansBookcase, brennbaer, 9 invisible), 1,157 guests, and 317 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
#375721 07/04/03 01:04 AM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,167
C
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,167
In contrast to piano music, is there a real difference in slurs in string music? I know that the down bow and up bow are used, but is that based on the type of sound needed and on the discretion of the player?

I see in many Beethoven quartets that he often does not even slur a passage, usually a fast 16th note passage. Is this played semi-legato, or is it understood just as legato? Having less slur marks in a score would be a lot more helpful, since I find they clash often with other markings in Finale when I compose something of that nature.

#375722 07/04/03 01:10 AM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,050
B
6000 Post Club Member
Offline
6000 Post Club Member
B
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,050
Beethoven's indications are difficult to decipher sometimes.

There are actually some bowing indications in some of the piano sonatas. Probably the most famous example is in the recitative of op. 110. See all of those repeated A's tied together? Those ties are actually slurs (achieved on the violin by a change of bow direction). Both notes should sound, although the second one is much less present than the first. Similar indications are in the scherzo of the A major cello sonata (at the very beginning of the movement and in other places as well).

Here's something to make you think:

In Beethoven, does a slur over the right hand line mean everything is legato or just the right hand? Look through op. 81a and try to see if he is consistent.

#375723 07/04/03 07:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,654
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,654
Quote
Originally posted by Brendan:

In Beethoven, does a slur over the right hand line mean everything is legato or just the right hand? Look through op. 81a and try to see if he is consistent.
Your the expert, but IMO his slurs over the right hand men just the right hand - have to look at 81a, though for the inconsistency. There are examples wher he phrases the right and left hand differently.

Here's another interpretation of the slurred notes of the recit. in op. 110. I heard once that it was meant to imitate the vibrato that was possible on a clavichord, meaning it is one long A with vibrato (grain of salt time again).


Moderated by  Brendan, platuser 

Link Copied to Clipboard
What's Hot!!
Piano World Has Been Sold!
--------------------
Forums RULES, Terms of Service & HELP
(updated 06/06/2022)
---------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
(ad)
(ad)
New Topics - Multiple Forums
How Much to Sell For?
by TexasMom1 - 04/15/24 10:23 PM
Song lyrics have become simpler and more repetitive
by FrankCox - 04/15/24 07:42 PM
New bass strings sound tubby
by Emery Wang - 04/15/24 06:54 PM
Pianodisc PDS-128+ calibration
by Dalem01 - 04/15/24 04:50 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums43
Topics223,384
Posts3,349,173
Members111,631
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010

Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations |

Advertise on Piano World
| Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map


Copyright © VerticalScope Inc. All Rights Reserved.
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community.