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#382454 - 11/08/07 06:53 PM Ivory versus plastic tops
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A technician suggested there wouldn't be any ivory tops if plastic had always been around. He said ivory would seem cold and rough.

I thought ivory was used because it did have the perfect 'roughness', giving it a nice feel.

If as a pianist you know the difference in feel, what do you like and why?
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#382455 - 11/09/07 12:31 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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I prefer ivory because it has a pleasing texture, more so than plastic. But I have no trouble playing on either type.

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#382456 - 11/09/07 06:27 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Some of my colleagues say that they tend to slip on plastic keys if there hands start to sweat. According to them, the ivory has a bit more traction.

I personally prefer the feel of ivory.
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#382457 - 11/09/07 06:46 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Notwithstanding the fact that to play any piano with Ivory keys would be abhorrent to me, the following is intended for anyone contemplating a new piano with Ivory keys (assuming they're still available) - in which case no words of condemnation are strong enough imo...

In this day and age there is NO justification for Ivory key surfaces... Steinway uses plastic - should be good enough. If we must have the 'feel' of Ivory, it can be effectively simulated in plastic.

Ivory piano keys = magnificent endangered animal, slaughtered... DON'T GO THERE!![/b]

...sorry for the rant but I feel so strongly about this

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#382458 - 11/09/07 09:14 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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I have a Petrof with ivory keys. Ivory keys are no longer allowed (imported) in the US, not sure about the rest of the world, but this piano was imported in the 80s, prior to this law. Anyways, I also have a Yamaha with plastic keys. I can tell the difference, and the ivory keys do give more traction than the plastic ones. As far as I know, they haven't simulated the feel of ivory in plastic, but then again, I haven't played a new Steinway, so perhaps it's been done.
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#382459 - 11/09/07 09:20 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Morodiene:
As far as I know, they haven't simulated the feel of ivory in plastic, but then again, I haven't played a new Steinway, so perhaps it's been done. [/b]
It's been done on a digital piano - Roland HP 207

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#382460 - 11/09/07 09:21 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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It may be that ivory can't be simulated perfectly, but it's pretty close. I don't feel we have anything to complain about here. It's a good thing we can't buy pianos any longer with real ivory.

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#382461 - 11/09/07 09:28 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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I really think the whole attraction to Ivory Keys, aside from the longing for "the Golden Age" of pianos, is the fact that they tended to absorb excess moisture from the fingers due to their porosity. Having a more textured, porous surface also made them feel more similar to the ebony sharps that were typical of the same era, thereby eliminating the contrast between the two that might otherwise be felt. The other thing to consider was the fact that pianos of that day were thought of as works of art just as much as they were musical instruments, as evidenced by some of the ornate Victorian wood working and inlays that many pianos displayed. I do agree that, from a practical and ethical standpoint, plastic, "ivorite", etc. makes much more sense. By the way, it is still possible to get ivory keytops. I am currently having my Mason and Hamlin CC2 keyboard completely replaced with all new parts, and one of the options for the new keys I could have chosen was one piece, (no seam at the tail), ivory covered naturals. They, of course, use already existent ivory. I chose not to go this route for many reasons.....not the least of which was the ethical one that celt mentioned.
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#382462 - 11/09/07 10:15 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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You must remember that plastic is a petroleum product and look at what that is doing to the world and the animals that reside in it. I think it is horrid that we kill for any reason, especially jewelry, and have been reducing the amount meat in my diet. I eat only some chicken and fish now and not much.

Bone is very hard and I think was part of the reason for the use of it as tops. Maybe we can breed steers for their purity of horns too. Then if you eat meat you can't complain. For me to throw away something that is usable and create the need to extract something else from the enviroment to replace it is a horrid thought too. The ivory today is recycled so in effect is redeeming some of the ethics.

I am asking because I want to know if it is worth recomending replacing over a really good repair. Both can cost the same so it is a matter of what will enchance the technical. Better feel, better playing.
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#382463 - 11/09/07 11:49 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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i'm with Celt, and don't feel there's any reason for that material to be used (not to mention where it comes from) when good quality plasitc key tops becomes so readily available and popular. i don't really like playing on some old ivory keys, which feels so rough at some spots and takes my playing enjoyment away...

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#382464 - 11/09/07 02:30 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Never had the chance to try ivory keys.

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#382465 - 11/09/07 03:32 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Putting the environmental and animal-rights issues aside for one moment, ivory keytops do require more maintenance than plastic keytops. Given their greater porosity, they tend to absorb moisture and dirt from players' hands and they are harder to clean. They also yellow with age, although I understand that the yellowing can be both retarded and treated when it happens.

However, with fewer pianists having the opportunity to experience playing on genuine ivory keytops, I think the question becomes less and less of an issue as time goes by.

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#382466 - 11/09/07 04:13 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Celluloid is not a petroleum product. Plastics can be made from a variety of sources.
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#382467 - 11/09/07 04:49 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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I posted some photos and recordings in this thread of a Fazioli with Ox-Bone keys:

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/16013.html

My wife loved the feel of the keys so much that when I was having our old Steinway console rebuilt, I also had the keytops resurfaced with ox-bone. The keytop vendor also does "wooly mammouth". That's their most expensive material which, if I remember correctly, would have cost me about $3,500. I understand that wooly mammouth is just ivory that's a little older... obtained from prehistoric remains found in Canada which makes it legal.

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#382468 - 11/09/07 04:52 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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You can make plastic from corn now! Wonder if they'll come out with corn keys! \:D
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#382469 - 11/09/07 06:52 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Morodiene:
You can make plastic from corn now! Wonder if they'll come out with corn keys! \:D [/b]
Edible keys.
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#382470 - 11/09/07 06:54 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Loki:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Morodiene:
You can make plastic from corn now! Wonder if they'll come out with corn keys! \:D [/b]
Edible keys. [/b]
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#382471 - 11/09/07 07:06 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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It is a good thing that ivory keys are no longer available in the U.S. (and I'm sure there are many other countries around the world banning the import of ivory products as well).

Having said that, I see no problem with re-surfacing your keys with ivory if it is salvaged from an old piano or source. The ivory has already been 'harvested', so why should it go to waste? It's perfectly understandable if you just have an aversion to having ivory in your home for any reason. There's no criticism there.

I have an old Steinway with ivory keys. It was built in the late 30's. The keys are still white - no yellowing -however, 4 keys have chips on the very ends. I am hoping to either replace those some day or get them filled in, if possible. As to the 'feel' of ivory vs. plastic: It is true that sweat seems to absorb into the ivory a bit better - I always notice a bit more sweat and stickiness with the plastic keys. Wouldn't it be great if they could find a source for 'natural' keys without having to slaughter an innocent animal?

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#382472 - 11/10/07 01:47 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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The problem with trying to salvage old keyboards is that keys are not generally exactly the same size. They are cut from a slab of wood, and usually that has been done by size. If I replace a missing or broken piece of ivory from my supply, I need to go through a lot of pieces before I can find one that comes close to the matching the size of the key (let alone color), and it has to be bigger so I can trim it to match. Even in the unlikely event I had a perfect set of ivories to begin with, matching them to another set of keys would be impossible.

To match an ivory front, I have to start with fronts that come from the same note of the scale, because the sharp notch is polished after the ivory is in place. This curves the back of the key front where the back strip of ivory meets it, which would leave a dip at the joint. This in turn lets you feel the sharp edge of the key back. It is hard enough getting that joint so you cannot feel it. I bet if any of you have ivory keys where either the front or back has come loose at one point, there is a bump at the joint. I can only make a good joint by sanding the joint even after the front and back have been glued to the key.

As you can imagine, you might be able to get a few pieces of ivory repaired, but it is not long before it is cheaper to replace the entire keyboard with plastic. Replacing keytops with plastic requires a lot of trimming, as they come oversized for just the reasons I mentioned, so it is not cheap, but compared to ivory, it is a bargain.
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#382473 - 11/10/07 02:07 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Originally posted by BDB:
Celluloid is not a petroleum product. Plastics can be made from a variety of sources.
Celluloid has not been used for decades. It is very highly flamable. Camera film used to be made from celluloid. That is the reason so many movie theatres used to burn down - the film ingnited under the heat of the arc projection lamps and started to burn. That type of film was then replaced with a plastic film. Hence the word "Kodak Safety Film" on the edges of negatives and slides. But I haven't seen to much of that around in the last while either...
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#382474 - 11/10/07 02:15 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Originally posted by Celt:In this day and age there is NO justification for Ivory key surfaces... Steinway uses plastic - should be good enough. If we must have the 'feel' of Ivory, it can be effectively simulated in plastic.
Ivory piano keys = magnificent endangered animal, slaughtered... DON'T GO THERE!![/b]
I'll throw this one out there:
What about mastadon ivory? These animals have been extinct for thousands of years. A layperson would never be able to tell the difference to elephant ivory. I know -I have some.
Mastadon or mammoth ivory is legally available for piano keys (and whatever else - jewelery etc). In fact, a few companies even offer it on their new pianos.

How do you feel about that?
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#382475 - 11/10/07 02:29 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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The first time I played Ivory keys, I found the touch and feel of my dreams. Now that I have been playing Ivory full-time, plastic keys always leave me disappointed. I hope to play Ivory for the rest of my life. The feel is not just a little better; it is vastly superior, in my opinion.

It is true, by the way, that damp fingers stick to those Ivory keys like they were glued. Just the nature of Ivory.

The yellowing of Ivory keys is removeable--if you want to remove it. The yellowing is considered an embellishment and proof of age, adding to the value of Ivory collectibles.

As for the slaughter of elephants, I have heard from a number of sources that a certain amount of Ivory has in recent years become available in compliance with international law. I have seen apparently reputable companies offering ultra-expensive new-Ivory collectibles, and I have a hard time believing that their Ivory is from an illegal source, what with them advertising it openly in numerous American magazines.

I have heard different accounts about where this (supposedly) legal Ivory originates. Some say it is Mammoth Ivory. Others say that the U.N. approved five African countries to sell Ivory because they were being overrun with elephants and the countries needed the money. It is usually added that because Ivory has become profitable, people in those countries are breeding elephants and so they have more elephants than ever--you have heard that sort of thing about the Bison--which leads some people to conclude that an effective way to save elephants as a species is to legalize the sale of Ivory.

(You need not read all the following links to see my point--I put them here just for the curious to pick and choose as you like.)

Or maybe it was three African countries, depending on which source you read:

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/nov2002/2002-11-12-01.asp

Before you read that article and conclude that it must have been a one-time sale in 2002, look at this (for example):

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2006/2006-10-05-03.asp

Yes, that post describes another one-time sale, this time four years later. Can you have two "one-time" sales of Ivory? Hmmmm... something fishy about all this.

Maybe the sale was delayed for years:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3046.html

There is of course controversy about whether legalizing Ivory sales will lead to the elephant species' destruction or salvation:

http://www.animallaw.info/journals/jo_pdf/lralvol_7p119.pdf

Some African countries reportedly demand legal Ivory sales, allegedly to combat terrible elephant-pest problems:

http://forests.org/archive/africa/ovelezim.htm

Some of the legal Ivory trade has apparently been approved very recently:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070604-ivory-sale.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/14/asia/ivory.php

Still other people say lots of estates include giant Ivory tusks which are so numerous that they account for much of the new Ivory collectibles:

http://www.ivorybuyer.com/

As you can see, the sources do not give a clear, consistent picture of precisely what has occurred. Confirmation or disconfirmation of the legality of new Ivory can be found depending on where you look and who you ask. Even official sources (the U. S. Government) will give you conflicting answers depending on the office you contact.

I am not very confident that any sources I could find necessarily got the story straight. There is enormous potential for disinformation on this topic, where guilt and greed are vying for a chance to veil the truth. It is the nature of the news business that almost every news story is tainted with deliberate and accidental misinformation, and this goes double--no, triple--on a topic as sensitive as Ivory and endangered species. I am still waiting to see a thorough, clear, well-researched article on new Ivory--one that includes a mature, wide-ranging, penetrating perspective on the issue. Probably it is yet to be written. You can get plenty of stuff from obviously-biased partisans, and from reporters who were rushing to meet a deadline. I would like to see something really good for a change.

Oops, I see I am off topic.

To return to the original question:

Anyway, I can play much better on Ivory keys. Fantastic touch and feel. I just love them.

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#382476 - 11/10/07 08:31 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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I HATE plastic - it's awful. Plastic collects condensation. It's like playing in a swamp; slows you down. I have a Steinway with ivory (personally, I think it's probably walrus tusk these days), but it makes all the difference in the world...

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#382477 - 11/10/07 05:12 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Walrus tusk!!!!!!

\:D

I like that!! Thank you Auntie Lynn. I will continue to salvage old keys for the reclcled ivory. At $3500 for new ones it might be worth the salvage.
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#382478 - 11/10/07 06:02 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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I boycott ivory. New or recycled, it stimulates the market for ivory to purchase it, and thus, stimulates further slaughter.

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#382479 - 11/10/07 06:22 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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With a lack of solid information, I cannot say if I agree or disagree with tomasino. I am fully prepared to feel guilty for buying my vintage Steinway, but, for all I know, buying Ivory will ultimately save elephants as a species.

It might not, too. I don't know.

Incidentally, not all new Ivory is necessarily "the remains of an animal cruelly slaughtered." Elephants with tusks can die from disease, old age, mating battles, falls, etc.; their tusks break, parts drop, and so forth. It is not quite so simple.

Economically it is certainly possible to imagine a boom in Ivory trade that leads to a vast increase in the number of elephants on the planet because of the profit potential of breeding them in large numbers.

Could it be that outlawing the sale of Ivory is just another in a long line of quick fixes that actually makes it more likely that elephants will become extinct? I see no easy answer to such a question.

I can imagine someone saying, "Hey, I am just going to boycott Ivory, because I want to err on the side of caution and save the elephants," but again I cannot agree with that so easily: if we could save elephants as a species by legalizing Ivory--some large, international, responsible bodies have apparently agreed that this is so--then it would be pretty darn irresponsible of us to block the legalization of Ivory and thereby condemn elephants to extinction.

I can find no easy answer here.

(Are people deleting their posts to this thread or what? I keep on reading posts but then they disappear. What is going on?)

(Aha, now I see: the exact same thread was started in two different forums. Nice. \:\) )

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#382480 - 11/11/07 09:31 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Hmmm I wonder if they can use mother of pearl ..like they do on guitar inlays? or my jazz archtop... abalone?

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#382481 - 11/11/07 09:43 AM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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I think pearl or shell is too soft and even more porous.

Thank you Prospero. It is wrong to think that all ivory is a result of slaughter. Ivory is and has been a high priced item and there will always be poachers. I don't think the piano keytop market drives people to become poachers. That field is probably saturated already.
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#382482 - 11/13/07 12:59 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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That is the same for me, Tomasino. I respect people's choice, but no ivory for me, whatever the source. I have taken similar decisions regarding other materials or other subjects, because what I have seen has prompted me to do it, but that is beyond the scope of this piano forum. I strongly feel that as consumers we are much more powerful than what we think.

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#382483 - 11/13/07 01:31 PM Re: Ivory versus plastic tops
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Mother of pearl has been used on harpsichords, but abalone is endangered as well, and you need far more of them for a set of keys than you need elephants.
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