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#2016989 - 01/18/13 11:54 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Tararex]
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Originally Posted By: Tararex
I'm with you Mark.

And I'm with you! grin

Quote:
....The assumption that newer members are unable to understand the concept of "date stamps" on old threads is a bit odd to say the least....

....but I'm not surprised at all that they often can't. What surprises me is that many older members don't seem easily to be able to tell. Likewise, that many older members don't seem easily able to tell which post a post is replying to (since except when posts are default-ly labeled as replying to the OP, it is shown at the top of the post.)

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#2016990 - 01/18/13 11:56 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
....it's always been a puzzler to me. Some, such as yourself, believe that old threads should not be resurrected, and yet I've seen new OPs chewed out for raising subjects that have already been hashed and rehashed a "million times before".

Which is it, folks?....

Great job. Love it. smile

Which indeed?


I think all it means is:

-- You can't make everybody happy. And....
-- One's opinions (probably anyone's opinions) aren't necessarily consistent.

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#2016993 - 01/18/13 11:58 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: jdott]
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Originally Posted By: jdott
My apologies if I breached some etiquette of this site....

No worries, I don't think. I doubt anyone really thinks you did. smile

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#2016995 - 01/19/13 12:01 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
How exactly has the "interaction of current users" been impeded? Just today we've had the following people post to this thread:

jdott
AldenH
Mark C
RealPlayer
beet31425
pianoloverus
argerichfan
Tararex
Damon
Old Man
wr

All of the above are current users....

It's more that that -- it's the PW Hall of Fame! ha

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#2016996 - 01/19/13 12:03 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: jdott
Any idea what is considered a 'zombie thread?'

Good question. No concrete definition of course, but I should think any thread that is at least 8 years old would qualify...

But not 7 years and 364 days? grin


My opinion of what's a zombie thread: NONE.

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#2016997 - 01/19/13 12:05 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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BTW, what's much more offensive and contrary to etiquette is when somebody does like 8 posts in a row. ha

(Sorry folks, didn't even realize -- was just hanging' out.) smile

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#2016998 - 01/19/13 12:06 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
As the line goes in Annie Get Your Gun....

I read once -cannot recall when or where- that 'Annie Get Your Gun' has produced more standards than any other Broadway musical.

A lot of other info about Annie in the book 'Eiffel's Tower' by Jill Jonnes. She was quite prominently featured in the Paris 1889 World's Fair.
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#2016999 - 01/19/13 12:09 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan

And not to mention some threads which had a very short shelf life at the time. Why not revive them if there are new members or older ones with fresh input?

Hear hear!

The new posts in Pianist Corner have been a little slow lately (or maybe it's just my perception), so I was happy to re-read this thread with some input from someone who was unable to post before.

I think it's nice to point out to new people if they try to answer a specific question that was asked years ago. I guess that may be a candidate for a "zombie thread". But otherwise, what's the harm? I don't think people would decide not to respond to a thread with a recent creation date because they already responded to an old thread.

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#2017000 - 01/19/13 12:11 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: argerichfan]
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Sorry argerichfan (I also think she's terrific), but I'm still confused. The original post was Aug of 2008, then it jumped to July 2012. Why would some people be upset over 5 months when the earlier gap spanned almost four years? As an aside, I thought this was a pretty lively discussion. Thanks

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#2017001 - 01/19/13 12:12 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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lol, fully derailed thread. nice.

Sort of on topic, someone said there aren't any modern day Liszts, and it's also been mentioned that pianists now have different focus and all. I disagree. Let's just look at Marc-Andre Hamelin. He learns bookshelves full of music, and records giant stacks of CDs. How long do you think it takes him to learn these pieces? My guess is he can play most of them perfectly or near perfectly on the first try.

And really, it's not just him. A lot of young rising stars these days have a crazy amount of repertoire. I've seen a list of the repertoire that some kid at Curtis learned in 1 year, and it averages to something like 30 minutes per week of new repertoire (all difficult stuff obviously), which they have to polish and perform in a very short timespan. The only way to learn that quickly is if you only need to play through a few times to have it completely down.

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#2017009 - 01/19/13 12:31 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Tararex
I'm with you Mark.

And I'm with you! grin

Quote:
....The assumption that newer members are unable to understand the concept of "date stamps" on old threads is a bit odd to say the least....

....but I'm not surprised at all that they often can't. What surprises me is that many older members don't seem easily to be able to tell. Likewise, that many older members don't seem easily able to tell which post a post is replying to (since except when posts are default-ly labeled as replying to the OP, it is shown at the top of the post.)


***many older members don't seem easily able to tell***
Combination of presbyopia and don't care a bit? laugh

In my case if I've got 20 windows open on VPN's into 5 different states I consider it a success if I post a proper reply to the correct forum.
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#2017012 - 01/19/13 12:41 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: jdott]
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Originally Posted By: jdott
Sorry argerichfan (I also think she's terrific), but I'm still confused. The original post was Aug of 2008, then it jumped to July 2012. Why would some people be upset over 5 months when the earlier gap spanned almost four years? As an aside, I thought this was a pretty lively discussion.

Well just goes to show that I have not thought this out properly. Sorry for that.

crazy

Upon thinking about it more, well I guess it should not bother me, and it is always fun to interact with new people here. Mark does have a point, and ultimately if an old thread is resurrected, well what harm in that? I stand corrected.
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#2017013 - 01/19/13 12:42 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Tararex]
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Originally Posted By: Tararex

***many older members don't seem easily able to tell***
Combination of presbyopia and don't care a bit? laugh

Be nice. wink
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#2017016 - 01/19/13 12:46 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: jdott
Sorry argerichfan (I also think she's terrific), but I'm still confused. The original post was Aug of 2008, then it jumped to July 2012. Why would some people be upset over 5 months when the earlier gap spanned almost four years? As an aside, I thought this was a pretty lively discussion.

Well just goes to show that I have not thought this out properly. Sorry for that....

I don't think you hadn't thought it out properly. I think he misunderstood it a bit. The people who are upset about the 5 month gap are upset over 4 year gaps too.

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#2017022 - 01/19/13 01:01 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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Trigalg693 (a mathematician?) we're in total agreement there. Performance wise, I think there are lots of Liszts today; I think we're sorely lacking in great composers, unfortunately.

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#2017023 - 01/19/13 01:09 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: jdott]
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Originally Posted By: jdott
Trigalg693 (a mathematician?) we're in total agreement there. Performance wise, I think there are lots of Liszts today; I think we're sorely lacking in great composers, unfortunately.


Super immature handle/name picked well over 10 years ago, but yes, still a (-n aspiring) mathematician, surprisingly!

Yea, composition seems to be a dying art, but maybe we just have the wrong perspective. There's Kennan, Ligeti, Vine, Rzewski, etc. and maybe in another century they'll be considered greats.


Edited by trigalg693 (01/19/13 01:09 AM)

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#2017025 - 01/19/13 01:11 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: trigalg693]
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Originally Posted By: trigalg693
Originally Posted By: jdott
Trigalg693 (a mathematician?) we're in total agreement there. Performance wise, I think there are lots of Liszts today; I think we're sorely lacking in great composers, unfortunately.
....yes, still a (-n aspiring) mathematician....

You're kidding!
I had always read it as "tri-galg" -- not that I knew what a galg would be. ha

(And I even liked trig and alg....)

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#2017033 - 01/19/13 01:20 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Mark_C]
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tri-gal = a girl who likes to do triathlons, of course. That's how I read the name until recently...

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#2017034 - 01/19/13 01:20 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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My problem with a lot of the contemporary composers is I don't like the way it sounds. Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Liszt, Rachmaninoff: all we're Elvises IMHO. Rock stars one and all.

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#2017036 - 01/19/13 01:21 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
BTW, what's much more offensive and contrary to etiquette is when somebody does like 8 posts in a row. ha

(Sorry folks, didn't even realize -- was just hanging' out.) smile

Actually, Mark, you're now up to 10 - in under 90 minutes. Was there a chugging contest at Starbucks tonight? A switch to brandy might be in order. laugh

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#2017037 - 01/19/13 01:23 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
Actually, Mark, you're now up to 10 - in under 90 minutes. Was there a chugging contest at Starbucks tonight? A switch to brandy might be in order. laugh

No, but we did have a really good dinner at a place we stumbled into. grin

Oh....and a non-decaffeinated cappuccino. ha

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#2017043 - 01/19/13 02:01 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Arghhh]
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Originally Posted By: Arghhh
tri-gal = a girl who likes to do triathlons, of course. That's how I read the name until recently...


I'm guessing you're a female triathlete.

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#2017062 - 01/19/13 03:11 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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This is nice. I haven't read this thread before and was a good read, I'm glad it was "resurrected". To those who seem to be losing sleep over this fact, why not just shut up and not read the thread if you know it's old?
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#2017092 - 01/19/13 06:02 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: floydthebarber71]
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Originally Posted By: floydthebarber71
This is nice. I haven't read this thread before and was a good read, I'm glad it was "resurrected". To those who seem to be losing sleep over this fact, why not just shut up and not read the thread if you know it's old?


What makes you think anyone is losing sleep over it? And why, once a zombie thread is resurrected, should anyone "just shut up", any more than you have?

Anyway, please explain me how one is supposed to know a thread is old when looking down the subject list of threads. I would love to know.



Edited by wr (01/19/13 06:22 AM)

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#2017094 - 01/19/13 06:20 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: Old Man
You didn't breach a thing.

For some of us, he did. I have an intense dislike of zombie threads, and I know there are many others who feel the same.

The very concept of a forum is dependent on the interaction of current users. That fact seems to be lost on a number of the current users.

If it were my forum, I'd be looking for some automated method of locking dormant threads. If someone was desperate to add on to some ancient stuff, they could simply start a new thread and give a link to the old one they wanted to reference in the first post. Or, if it was just some single posting that they wanted to respond to, they could just copy and paste whatever was relevant.

How exactly has the "interaction of current users" been impeded? Just today we've had the following people post to this thread:

jdott
AldenH
Mark C
RealPlayer
beet31425
pianoloverus
argerichfan
Tararex
Damon
Old Man
wr

All of the above are current users (1/18/2013 seems fairly current to me, anyway). The title of the thread is clearly visible. The only difference I see between this "zombie" thread and a "current" thread is that this thread contains comments that have an earlier time stamp.

So what is the source of your "intense dislike"? Other than these time stamps, and the names of people who may or may not still be posting, I'm not sure how how this thread differs from a current thread. The differences seem so superficial, I can't believe it's such an issue for you and the "many others who feel the same." I'm certainly no genius, but even I can handle time stamps.


The issue is apparently one of those "if you don't already understand it, there is no way to explain" things. At any rate, it has absolutely nothing to do with those who might have posted since the thread was resurrected.

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#2017099 - 01/19/13 06:39 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Arghhh]
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Originally Posted By: Arghhh
Originally Posted By: argerichfan

And not to mention some threads which had a very short shelf life at the time. Why not revive them if there are new members or older ones with fresh input?

Hear hear!

The new posts in Pianist Corner have been a little slow lately (or maybe it's just my perception), so I was happy to re-read this thread with some input from someone who was unable to post before.

I think it's nice to point out to new people if they try to answer a specific question that was asked years ago. I guess that may be a candidate for a "zombie thread". But otherwise, what's the harm? I don't think people would decide not to respond to a thread with a recent creation date because they already responded to an old thread.


For me, the problem isn't about responding to old threads, it's about how it is done.

Here's just one part of why I don't like the way this one was done - I look down the list of subjects when I come to the forum, see a thread I hadn't noticed before, open it, and am immediately plunged into a conversation in which I cannot partake, because most of the people are no longer here. That's annoying.

Then, realizing that it's a zombie thread, I have to go through it, scanning the dates, trying to find the one that was the one that resurrected the thread.

All of that could be avoided if the person resurrecting the thread simply started a new thread, with the same subject if they want, saying they had something to add, and put a link to the old one in their post.

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#2017100 - 01/19/13 06:40 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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Yeah, I guess I should be more tolerant to your OCD, since this is a public forum after all. I apologise and forgive you.
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#2017174 - 01/19/13 10:36 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr
The issue is apparently one of those "if you don't already understand it, there is no way to explain" things.

I understand. smile

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#2017256 - 01/19/13 01:16 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr
....please explain me how one is supposed to know a thread is old when looking down the subject list of threads. I would love to know.

I gave a clue but you probably didn't see it because you think you know who isn't worth reading. grin

Quote:
Here's just one part of why I don't like the way this one was done - I look down the list of subjects when I come to the forum, see a thread I hadn't noticed before....

That's what it was about, my dear friend. ha

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I would love to know.

Apparently not. grin

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#2017262 - 01/19/13 01:34 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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You know, the real topic of this thread actually is interesting - and if someone had not added to it I would probably never have noticed it.

Too bad there are so many posts debating the rights and wrongs of reviving an old post -- (as if there really are any, I mean...seriously folks?) --- that we have to now wade through to see if there is anything else interesting.

I think some folks really get too wound up about stuff that really isn't worth it - and to call someone out as being impolite, or to tell someone to shut up (different posters)... well, that's just not very friend is it?
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