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#1495684 - 08/14/10 06:14 AM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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Keyboardklutz has demonstrated in the past, through his videos, that he knows very little about technique. He thinks dropping arm weight and flopping around with loose wrists is the solution to just about everything.
Strange, another poster used to paraphrase me (the old straw man trick) in exactly the same manner. Where do I say 'flopping around'? You need enough tension for the moment of key depression, then flop (which is a non-doing - 'flopping around' requires tension to achieve).

The 'universal' technique is the one that uses the least resources (tension) to bring about a conception. It's a kinda Occam's razor argument.
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#1495958 - 08/14/10 04:49 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: Brandon_W_T]
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Though I'm by no means a teacher, I would sum up technique in one sentence: Do what you've gotta do.

Allot of people are extremists and act as if you must either leave your fingers curled or leave them flat. I just let those things happen naturally. A matter of fact, I tend to play black notes flat and white notes curled because it provides the most even approach to playing and reminds you of where you're at.

Regarding the wrists, I usually keep them steady during finger independence excersises so that I don't use it as a crutch. Outside of the those excersises, I use them freely. Of course like JustAnotherPianist said, it's best to conserve energy in what you do. I don't force my wrists steady unless it will make fingering more consistent. But also, I see nothing wrong with "feeling" the piece. I've seen very skilled pianists play Scriabin with very organic and unnecessary wrist movements, but they were still excellent performances.

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#1495978 - 08/14/10 05:28 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: pianoman6584]
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Ultimately, the'do what you gotta do' and 'if it sounds good in the right tempo and you aren't in great discomfort' are fine.

Call me a weirdo, but I think technique should also LOOK sexy. It should look easy. It should look like the pianist always has much, much more in reserve.

There IS a specific way of developing this type of technique.

Lang Lang, for example, tends to get business done. His Don Juan is very beefy. Watching his hands, however, for me, at least, is ghastly. It looks sooooo uncomfortable. Whenever he needs power, he raises his wrist and collapses his hand. He can get speed and power (in Tchaik1 octaves and stuff like that), but he sacrifices control in doing so.


Watching Pogo, or Cziffra, it just looks so comfortable. So easy. So sexy.
KBK, the technique which you discribe neither gets business done NOR looks sexy.

You are not entirely off the mark with the idea of releasing tension between large, powerful chords. There is certainly an element of that in healthy, well-developed technique.

But when I see your videos demonstrating, at slow speed, your so-called 'drop&flop', I cannot help but disagree with the importance you place on this.
I never practiced anything to do with this, yet I do it naturally in my playing. The tension-releasing thing, imo, is so insignificant, so small an aspect of proper technique, that it just doesn't deserve much importance, let alone the complete obsession that you have with it.
The reason it's just not that important, is because, with proper technique, you don't GET very much tension. This is all quite difficult to explain in words on the internet. Which is why the proof really IS in the pudding.
In order to develope my technique to the level it is at, I came from quite a different angle.

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#1495988 - 08/14/10 05:41 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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Originally Posted By: JustAnotherPianist

But when I see your videos demonstrating, at slow speed, your so-called 'drop&flop', I cannot help but disagree with the importance you place on this.
I never practiced anything to do with this, yet I do it naturally in my playing.
A boat is only for getting where you're going, you leave it when you've arrived. Trouble is so many, unlike you apparently, missed it!

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#1495996 - 08/14/10 05:58 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: keyboardklutz]
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kbk.
To some extent, yes.
the trouble is, I'm afraid your boat went down with all hands....

MY boat, while neither the mightiest aircraft carrier in the world NOR the speediest of watercraft, is capable of taking me anywhere I want to go in comfort and style.


Edited by JustAnotherPianist (08/14/10 05:58 PM)

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#1496000 - 08/14/10 06:04 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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I don't think you get it. You jettison the boat once you've arrived. Technique is definitely not what making music is about.
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#1496010 - 08/14/10 06:29 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Oh I get it, kbk. And I really don't mean to come off as such a dick here.
I just don't think you should be giving people advice about piano technique on a piano forum.

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#1496012 - 08/14/10 06:34 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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Oh I get it, kbk. And I really don't mean to come off as such a dick here.
I just don't think you should be giving people advice about piano technique on a piano forum.
Hmm. That does come across rather dick-like.
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#1496030 - 08/14/10 06:58 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: keyboardklutz]
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Sorry bud, it's purely based on your playing ability. Proove me wrong by showing us something worthy.

Cruel but fair, like you say.

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#1496088 - 08/14/10 08:50 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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Sorry bud, it's purely based on your playing ability. Proove me wrong by showing us something worthy.
Maybe you'd like to 'proove' your playing before throwing stones? anybody can harp away.
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#1496093 - 08/14/10 09:06 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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Originally Posted By: JustAnotherPianist
Call me a weirdo, but I think technique should also LOOK sexy.

You mean the 'flowery hands' style so many pianists put into use? I'm not a classical pianist, but when I watch Horowitz play, I see a lot going on internally (via facial expressions) without the flowery hands.
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#1496103 - 08/14/10 09:18 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: eweiss]
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sorry, not really sure what you mean by flowery hands.

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#1496106 - 08/14/10 09:21 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: JustAnotherPianist]
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sorry, not really sure what you mean by flowery hands.

You know, when a pianist raises his/her hands in the air like a ballet dancer. What do you mean by 'sexy' hands?
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#1496108 - 08/14/10 09:23 PM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: eweiss]
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That's just a small mannerism which everyone does. It has little to do with technique.

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#1496302 - 08/15/10 05:21 AM Re: No universally good or bad technique? [Re: eweiss]
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You know, when a pianist raises his/her hands in the air like a ballet dancer.
I think you're referring to times when the hand is hanging limp from the wrist. It happens very often and is an important aspect of technique from a rest point of view and also interpretive.
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