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#394507 - 07/19/08 11:51 PM Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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hmmm, sorta made it compulsive

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#394508 - 07/19/08 11:52 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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just take into consideration the time spent you see others playing their pieces that have been posted as clips on the Net.

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#394509 - 07/20/08 01:58 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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I rarely spend time listening/watching videos on the Internet, unless a Piano World member has asked to critique a video performance.

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#394510 - 07/20/08 02:47 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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No, videos of people playing have done little for me in themselves.

However, the web has introduced me to many interesting pianists and musicians around the world, several of whom have now become friends. I do not use the web per se, just to get interesting contacts to whom I then write and exchange ideas at the personal level.

The web has enabled me to purchase recordings and scores I could have obtained in no other way.

The web has thousands of interesting essays and articles about music and piano playing. Many of these have helped me considerably.

The web, largely through its forums, has enabled me to help a surprising number of people. I would not have thought myself much use to anybody concerning music and playing the piano but it has turned out that I am. This is a pleasing consequence of the web.

So, to answer the title question as it stands, without restriction to just videos, I would have to say that the impact of the web on my music has been completely positive in every way.
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#394511 - 07/20/08 03:17 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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purely positive.

i, too, don't watch videos of others - with the obvious exception of wonderful precious ones like Michealangeli, Cortot, Rubinstein etc on YouTube because otherwise, i would have no way of watching them play. of course they're good not only for learning purposes, but also for enjoyment. \:D

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#394512 - 07/20/08 07:03 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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It's mixed -

Positive, because I work on polishing more pieces for recording I post.

Negative, because I spend too much time on the internet.

Rich
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#394513 - 07/20/08 07:47 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Registered: 11/27/02
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I watch quite a few internet performances. For the last 7 years, I lived in West Texas and didn't get a chance to see many good pianists perform, so watching videos and listening to recordings on the internet has been a nice way to stay connected.

I'll probably watch less now that I live in a piano-friendly college town (lots of live performances here in IC.)
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#394514 - 07/20/08 08:13 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Positive because listening to lots of material on youtube from the (old) masters or good amateurs inspires me to practice/play.

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#394515 - 07/20/08 09:01 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Definitely positive, for many reasons others have listed like access to information and performance videos, and feeling like a part of a music community. And what about the astounding amount of public-domain sheet music that's freely available?

I can't see any downside other than the amount of time I spend at the computer. But I used to sit in front of one all day at work, so I'm used to it—and I watch a lot less television.

In fact, I watch very little YouTube—but I'm glad it's there.

Steven
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#394516 - 07/20/08 09:33 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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I was like a kid in a candy store when I discovered youtube. I have probably thousands of videos of world class pianists(stored by the pianist's name)and continually find it enjoyable to watch them.

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#394517 - 07/20/08 10:43 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Positive!!

Whenever I need to learn a new piece, I just went to Youtube, and listened to many examples.

In addition, I also can learn from others' mistakes.

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#394518 - 07/20/08 12:43 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Great thread!

Definitely positive purely for the motivation it provides.
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#394519 - 07/20/08 03:45 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Registered: 12/22/01
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Negative effect on my playing (if I had spent the time practicing that I do here or surfing looking for performances on disc or YouTube, I'd be a lot better), but it's certainly taught me a lot, made some friends, and helped me increase my CD collection. I'm unlikely to catch up with Kluurs in that area, however \:\(
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#394520 - 07/22/08 12:01 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
WildWillie Offline
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Registered: 06/08/08
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Loc: Austin TX
Very, very positive. I love messing around with different music, even if it's way beyond my technique. I find it very helpful to hear what the piece is (at least nominally) supposed to sound like before launching in to it. Maybe it's a lack of formal training, but I often have difficulty guessing the way something should sound like without hearing it (Szymanowski sonatas, most recent).

Also I find it very inspiring to see great performances. I spent a few minutes last PM watching Horowitz play Scriabin etudes. If that doesn't make you want to practice I don't know what can.

And finally, I had never heard of Marc-Andre Hamelin, Martha Argerich, Georges Cziffra, or Claudio Arrau (to name a few) until I hit youtube. Am I ignorant? Yeah, I guess so. There were certain pianists I liked and I tended to always buy their CDs (Horowitz, Rubinstein, Brendel, Ashkenazy, Van Cliburn, Richter, a few others). Lesson learned. Youtube has opened my eyes to a lot of great pianists.

For all of the above I must say that the web has had a very positive impact on me, at least with respect to music and the piano. If the stupid spam in my email would just go away . . .
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#394521 - 07/22/08 09:37 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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It has been an invaluable research resource. BTW, I have no use for YouTube...

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#394522 - 07/23/08 05:12 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Loc: Barcelona
Definitely positive.
If it wasn't for the internet, I wouldn't be taking lessons right now.

It may sound weird or ignorant, but I always thought that the process of music learning was forbidden to adults, that it was a privilege for children. If you didn't take lessons as a child, oh what a pity you're definitely late, there's no second chance for you.
But surfing the net I learn there is not only possible for an adult to learn, but also that there're LOTS of adult students doing really well.

As for youtube, I have found there interpreters and music which have inspired me and widen my musical horizons.

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#394523 - 07/23/08 05:37 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Registered: 05/16/05
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Loc: Japan
Definitely positive. Through the web I can consult with other pianists and musicians. This is something I can't do here. Also I find many other pianist at different levels playing the same repertoire on YouTube. I also get to hear new pieces that I have no chance of hearing otherwise. I also enjoy studying theory through the various online ear training media.
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#394524 - 07/23/08 10:23 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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youtube videos have been really inspiring to me, although I spend too much time online when I should probably be practicing more.
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#394525 - 07/23/08 12:19 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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unalloyed positive
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#394526 - 07/23/08 12:45 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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The Web has had absolutely no influence on my playing at all. It has influenced my shopping and my personal communications, it has revolutionized my research and work life, but has had no influence on my piano playing per se, other than to allow me to order special editions of repertoire that might not be available in our little city.
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#394527 - 07/23/08 12:49 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
AZNpiano Offline
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Registered: 08/07/07
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Loc: Orange County, CA
Good and bad.

Good--youtube videos

Bad--youtube videos

I also spend way too much time on the Internet when I should be practicing.
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#394528 - 07/24/08 01:04 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
SteveM Offline
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Registered: 12/23/07
Posts: 40
Loc: Boston, MA
I returned to piano after 15 years, mainly I recall because of watching Rafal Blechacz Winner's Recital on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L28aSoUfp6Q

I haven't quite reached his level yet...

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#394529 - 07/24/08 10:50 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
-Frycek Offline
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The internet and this forum in particular is virtually the only access I have to fellow pianists.
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#394530 - 07/24/08 11:59 AM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
signa Offline
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mostly positive to me, especially a lot of youtube videos of the well known pianists i hardly have chances to ever see playing alive.

the bad part is, of course, spending too much time online when i should play or practice myself...

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#394531 - 07/24/08 01:50 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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Registered: 04/15/08
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Loc: London. UK
As I write this post I'm listening to Heinrich Neuhaus playing Scriabin Piano Concerto Op. 2 on Youtube.

Scriabin Piano Concerto

This is typical of the profound effect the internet has had on my appreciation of piano music and piano playing. I wasn't aware of this piece until it was mentioned in this post

Beginner Concertos

Youtube allows me to listen, enjoy and immerse myself in so
much wonderful music old and and new.

Chris

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#394532 - 07/24/08 02:08 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
Marshbaby Offline
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Registered: 05/08/08
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Loc: Ankeny Iowa
One thing I'll say for the internet: it is a double edged sword. On one hand, it allows for unprecedented access to music in all forms and it allows for the viewing of great performers from the 1930s on. Want to learn a Billy Joel song? 10 minute lesson on youtube and you've got it.
But the internet has caused me to learn more silly pieces such as 1,000 miles by Vanessa Carlton and the Super Mario theme song (surprisingly complex) just because they are available to me.

If fingering issues should arise, this forum is a huge help.

The other edge of the sword: Just imagine what the world would be like if we all practiced for as much time as we spend on the internet.
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#394533 - 07/24/08 11:21 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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I've spent way too much time exploring the musical back alleys of YouTube, and I don't regret any of it. I've seen and heard performances there that, but for the tiny space they're staged in, rival some of the best live concerts I've seen. This thread inspired me to go back for another look tonight, and I stumbled across something memorable that I wanted others to know about.

Nelson Freire has been one of my favorite living pianists since I first heard him 20 years ago. Tonight, I found one smaller and one huge video about him on You Tube. The smaller one, the great finale from Beethoven's Waldstein sonata, was filmed at a Cliburn Foundation concert last year. The music is pure magic. Here's the link:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zIOLJl3GlFY

The big piece is a 10-part Brazilian documentary about Freire (with English sub-titles) which features lots of footage with him joking and playing with Martha Argerich, reminiscing about Guiomar Novaes, and playing solo and concerto pieces all over the world. Some very interesting musings about the solitary life of the concert pianist. It's been a long time since I said this, but this film reminded me how glad I am to have made a career in law rather than music. And to be grateful that there are even a few people in the world with the talent possessed by Nelson Freire. Here's the link to Part 1 -- you;ll find the other 9 once you get there.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5D230v9wMwg
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#394534 - 07/24/08 11:25 PM Re: Has the web impacted your piano playing in a positive or negative way or neither?
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it sure has helped my repertoire.

i only used to play chopin etudes.. i had learned very little else. I fell in love with Bach, dabbled in Mozart, Schumann, Rachmaninoff and Scarlatti, met a fantastic teacher, met many friends, many of whom have come to my house for parties and such, found a piano job, bought a super piano.

it led me to know that piano could be a very big part of my life rather than just a fleeting pasttime.

i owe my much of my happiness to Piano World.
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