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#408678 - 12/28/07 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by currawong:  I suppose it depends on where you are technically and what particular things you have issues with. [/b] QFT, currawong. Because of the literal da capo structure, there's less music in the B minor than the G minor (6 pages versus 7-8 if memory serves) even if the first is longer in performance, so that's one reason why I think of the B minor as "easier". What many consider the most difficult passage in the B minor is close to the end of the A sections, with the big arpeggios in the left hand -- but if one redistributes them (similar cases in the coda of Op. 119 #4 and the coda of the last movement of the Second Concerto) it's actually very doable. You know, after further thought (having played both pieces, along with a whole lot more other Brahms solo works) I suppose both pieces are more or less on the same level. If anyone wants difficult, just go straight to the F minor sonata. Or the Bb concerto. Yikes!
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#408679 - 12/28/07 11:38 AM
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The G minor is (my opinion only) harder; the octaves in the LH require much more technique than is demanded anywhere in the B minor (apart from one place which I'll mention shortly), remember they are semiquavers (and against triplets) and so such fast octaves aren't anywhere in the B minor, remember also that they arise often in the G minor, throughout. They require more control as well, through all dynamic ranges; it requires considerable left hand 'strength'. The trickiest parts of the B minor rhapsody is at the end of the A sections. Those rolled chords are devilishly difficult; much needed from the fifth finger, but they last only a few bars and so are mastered relatively quickly. The G minor also has a page marked 'ppp', for notes which aren't played with a 'free hand'; again very good technique is required. I should think definitely that the G minor is more difficult therefore.
Furthermore from experience, I attempted the G minor first, and had not much luck with the LH octaves (I could play the work, but there was absolutely no musical value in the way I played the 'mezza voce' so I switched to the B minor, learnt that much better, and have performed it succesfully, and over time my octaves have bettered so that I can play the G minor much more convincingly (though I wouldn't perform it, at least not confidently), but I still feel a much greater challenge in playing the G minor, though I've put just as much practise into both (if anything more into the G minor).
G MINOR HARDER!!!
If you play the G minor then you will definitely be able to play the B minor, and certainly it is in no way beyond you.
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#408680 - 12/28/07 05:13 PM
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Janus Sachs - I'm curious, how do you redistribute the notes in the coda of op 119 no 4? I'm playing it now.
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#408682 - 12/28/07 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:  QFT, currawong... I suppose both pieces are more or less on the same level. If anyone wants difficult, just go straight to the F minor sonata. Or the Bb concerto. Yikes! [/b] I had to ask my son what QFT means It sounds like "more or less on the same level" covers the experiences of posters here. I personally find the G minor easier but it's actually the B minor which I've performed many times.
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#408683 - 12/29/07 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by fnork:  Janus Sachs - I'm curious, how do you redistribute the notes in the coda of op 119 no 4? I'm playing it now. [/b] Morodiene was right -- 15 measures from the end, where the melody is Eb D Eb F Eb D Gb F Gb Ab Gb F, it can all be taken by the right hand. The right hand can also take all the melody notes a little later when it's a single note followed by two octaves, etc. Sorry, I don't have measure numbers.
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#408684 - 12/29/07 01:21 PM
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ah, THAT place... well, if you find it awkward to play but I prefer playing it as written - I find the right hand jumps in the measures before to be much more tricky, but no redistribution is possible here, only hard work!
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#408685 - 12/29/07 01:26 PM
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Yeah, those leaps are killers.
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Die Krebs gehn zurücke, Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke, Die Karpfen viel fressen, Die Predigt vergessen.
Die Predigt hat g'fallen. Sie bleiben wie alle.
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