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#410999 - 01/19/09 01:46 AM Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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I just came back from Yundi Li's concert in Cupertino, CA, and the program was supposed to be:
Mozart Sonata K570
Liszt Ballade No.2
Chopin Sonata No.2
Mussorgsky Pictures at an Exhibition.

Instead, it turned out to be:
Chopin Nocturne op9 no2
Impromptu no4 I think
A bunch of random Chinese music.
Chopin Mazurka Op33 no4
Chopin Grande Polonaise Brillante Op22
Mussorgsky Pictures at an Exhibition.

Does anyone have any idea what this is supposed to mean? (the concert was decent by the way)

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#411000 - 01/19/09 07:32 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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I don't know if that's the case here, but several pianists reserve their right to change a program on short notice. Some others sometimes don't even announce a program before their recital (I think Pollini and Zimerman have been doing this occasionally). After all, they are humans and might not be in the adequate mood for a specific piece every day.
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#411001 - 01/19/09 09:20 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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He does this all the time. He was supposed to play Tchaikowski 1 here and ended up playing Prok 2 instead. (not that it mattered for me.. Prok 2's one of my favourite concertos)
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#411002 - 01/19/09 09:40 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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I have heard him doing that too since late 2007. Wasn't these programs planned years in advance?
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#411003 - 01/19/09 10:27 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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The programs are planned years in advance by the venues, but not the performers. Performers rarely know what they're going to feel like playing in two years' time, so they just feed the concert promoters something to keep them happy, then show up and play what they want. \:D
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#411004 - 01/19/09 12:17 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Originally posted by Kreisler:
The programs are planned years in advance by the venues, but not the performers. Performers rarely know what they're going to feel like playing in two years' time, so they just feed the concert promoters something to keep them happy, then show up and play what they want. \:D [/b]
Hahah is that seriously how it works at the concert level?

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#411005 - 01/19/09 04:28 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Basically. I'd say about a quarter of the soloists whose concerts I attend deviate from the program. Some of them tell the audience, and some of them do so without saying a word about it (so the less musically educated might not even know).

I have to admit my sympathies lie with the soloists - they are indeed demanded to provide a concert program at least a year in advance; it's easy to forget what the audience at one venue out of thirty (or fifty, or one hundred!) is expecting.

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#411006 - 01/19/09 04:48 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Originally posted by Silent Omen:
I have to admit my sympathies lie with the soloists - they are indeed demanded to provide a concert program at least a year in advance; it's easy to forget what the audience at one venue out of thirty (or fifty, or one hundred!) is expecting[/b]
You don't think they look at/practice the program before the reictal??

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#411007 - 01/19/09 04:53 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Wow, that is very interesting \:D
The thing that makes me feel bad is they wasted so many sheets of paper on a fancy program thing describing the pieces (this was at a pretty bad hall by the way), and he didn't even play any of them pretty much.

Another strange thing was I felt like he didn't finish some pieces and just went directly into others (most people didn't notice since they went there just to see the person as a celebrity, not as a musician).

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#411008 - 01/19/09 05:30 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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 Quote:
Originally posted by trigalg693:
Wow, that is very interesting \:D
The thing that makes me feel bad is they wasted so many sheets of paper on a fancy program thing describing the pieces (this was at a pretty bad hall by the way), and he didn't even play any of them pretty much.

Another strange thing was I felt like he didn't finish some pieces and just went directly into others (most people didn't notice since they went there just to see the person as a celebrity, not as a musician). [/b]
I've been to many performances where the program changes from what was advertised, but usually the printed program on the day of at least matches the program performed. In the rare case that it doesn't, I think the performer has always made an announcement.

As for him not "finishing some pieces and ... moving directly into others", that's pretty appalling if that was actually the case. I would definitely expect better than that from Li.

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#411009 - 01/19/09 05:33 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Do you really think Yundi Li didn't finish a piece? That's virtually impossible. Perhaps the poster meant he didn't take much time after finishing a piece and starting the next one.

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#411010 - 01/19/09 05:42 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Originally posted by pianoloverus:
Do you really think Yundi Li didn't finish a piece? That's virtually impossible.[/b]
Ha not at all, hence the "that's pretty appalling if that was actually the case." That would be intolerable.
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#411011 - 01/19/09 05:43 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Silent Omen:
Basically. I'd say about a quarter of the soloists whose concerts I attend deviate from the program. Some of them tell the audience, and some of them do so without saying a word about it (so the less musically educated might not even know).[/b]
Dang. I took for granted that there would be some form of announcement in the event of a substitution!

I'm pondering this in light of the OP's comment that on Yundi Li's program was "A bunch of random Chinese music." It likely wasn't random at all, but it's easy to understand how it could seem that way even to a crowd of cognoscenti.

Steven
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#411012 - 01/19/09 07:59 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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By a bunch of random Chinese music, I meant that I didn't know what they were called ;\)

I was definitely very confused. They never even gave notice of the change. Like I said no one noticed so it seemed fine.

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#411013 - 01/20/09 10:38 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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But don't some people buy tickets based on what they see the program is for the evening? That's kind of false advertising. I sometimes we as pianist forget that it is still a job and sometimes have to do things we don't want to.

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#411014 - 01/21/09 12:03 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Well it's still better than not showing up.

(I agree it's not cool that you substitute half of the program w/o a proper, agreed upon excuse communicated in advance.)
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#411015 - 01/21/09 12:16 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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The same thing happened here in Fort Worth tonight.
I bought tickets thinking I'd be hearing a Mozart sonata, a Liszt Ballade, the second CHopin Sonata and the Pictures - which admittedly would have been a bit much.

A half hour after buying the ticket on line there was an announcement that the program had changed to:

CHopin Nocturne Op 9 #2
Mazurkas Op 33
Schumann/Liszt "Widmung"
Jian-ZHong Wang 5 Yunnan Folksongs
Chopin Andante spianato and Grand Polonaise
and then the Pictures at an Exhibition after the intermission

Had I seen this program I doubt I would have gone.

His playing would technically beautiful - he has great control over dynamics and has a nice fluid tone - but there is no sense of pulse or time continuity in his playing - especially when he plays too fast - the G Polonaise was sort of a big mush, rhythmically incoherent, much too fast in places, and lacking a sense of drama. Which was also the problem with the Moussorgsky.

He should stick to the nice little folksongs which he does quite well -
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#411016 - 01/21/09 08:51 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Originally posted by Schubertian:

His playing would technically beautiful - he has great control over dynamics and has a nice fluid tone - but there is no sense of pulse or time continuity in his playing - especially when he plays too fast - the G Polonaise was sort of a big mush, rhythmically incoherent, much too fast in places, and lacking a sense of drama. Which was also the problem with the Moussorgsky.

He should stick to the nice little folksongs which he does quite well - [/b]
Rather severe criticsm for the youngest winner of the Chopin Competition. Did all those famous judges on the jury miss a lot? From my youtube viewings of his playing, I don't see any of the faults you mention.

Do you think this youtube performance of the Polonaise has the same problems you mention in your review?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EOARCF-ZfE

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#411017 - 01/21/09 09:20 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Maybe Yundi is depressed, since he was recently dropped by DG.
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#411018 - 01/21/09 09:37 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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People have good days and bad days, good years and bad years. It also gets really old playing the same music over and over again.
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#411019 - 01/21/09 08:48 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Kreisler:
People have good days and bad days, good years and bad years. It also gets really old playing the same music over and over again. [/b]
But there are still artists who do it. Because they understand what people come to hear. And while it is not the best arrangement in the world. Playing concerts is sadly not just for the artist only.

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#411020 - 01/21/09 09:13 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Chopin Nocturne Op 9 #2

There is no excuse for this one.
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#411021 - 01/21/09 11:04 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Originally posted by newport:
Chopin Nocturne Op 9 #2

There is no excuse for this one. [/b]
Don't like that it was what he substituted?

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#411022 - 01/21/09 11:06 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Originally posted by jdhampton924:
 Quote:
Originally posted by newport:
Chopin Nocturne Op 9 #2

There is no excuse for this one. [/b]
Don't like that it was what he substituted? [/b]
What I meant is that he needs to move on already.
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#411023 - 01/21/09 11:22 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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 Quote:
Originally posted by newport:
 Quote:
Originally posted by jdhampton924:
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Originally posted by newport:
Chopin Nocturne Op 9 #2

There is no excuse for this one. [/b]
Don't like that it was what he substituted? [/b]
What I meant is that he needs to move on already. [/b]
It seems to me that he is just not as willing to move out from his comfort zone.

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#411024 - 01/21/09 11:31 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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That piece is so entry level and he has been playing it for 3 straight years for crying out loud!
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#411025 - 01/22/09 07:42 AM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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That piece is so entry level and he has been playing it for 3 straight years for crying out loud! [/b]
Probably because crowds or managers love it. Every piece doesn't have to illustrate a pianist's big technique. What about the very often performed Kinderscenen? Should pianists avoid this because the technique is "entry level"?

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#411026 - 01/22/09 12:30 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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by comparison, Pollini took a few years off performing (or at least not much performing) after winning Chopin competition, and came back later with Bach WTC book I & II recitals, from what i read. that's why he's still around as one of the great pianists of our days.

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#411027 - 01/22/09 12:30 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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Originally posted by pianoloverus:
 Quote:
Originally posted by newport:
That piece is so entry level and he has been playing it for 3 straight years for crying out loud! [/b]
Probably because crowds or managers love it. Every piece doesn't have to illustrate a pianist's big technique. What about the very often performed Kinderscenen? Should pianists avoid this because the technique is "entry level"? [/b]
I agree with you. Though I think people just want a change. He has been playing it since he was 18. I think people do want something else every once in a while.
Though its very true not every piece needs to be a show off. People respond well to the E flat major nocturne to. I tend to use it for encores if I need one.

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#411028 - 01/22/09 02:45 PM Re: Yundi Li Concert Program wth????
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So, I take it everyone already knows that Yundi lost his record contract with Deutsche Grammophon?
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