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#413997 - 11/11/01 04:42 PM Calling All Composers (again)
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Just thought that I would bring up the topic again incase anybody new likes to compose. Some of the older members might remember this particular topic from months ago. I have composed several peices myself, some easy, some difficult, and others lie somewhere inbetween. (For my level of skill at the current moment, that is). So, anyone else out there compose? If so, where do you get your inspiration from, how do you find a tune that you like? I usually play random chords, scales and keys until I find a combonation that sounds good, then work from there. Other times, a tune just comes to me and I try to match it on the piano.

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#413998 - 11/11/01 07:14 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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I pretty much do the same things that you do. I just mess around until I find something that I like. I write mainly for small percussion ensembles (the mallet instruments mostly) Right now I am working on something for a percussion quartet that has 2 vibes, bells, chimes, and random percussion effects. I am somewhat of a percussionist so I play in the ensemble.
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#413999 - 11/11/01 07:58 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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i would really like to start composing! next semester i am taking private composition lessons from the chair of my music department composer, it should be good ( if not challenging,as i have heard he is quite tough). I hope to have some exciting new peices by next summer!
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#414000 - 11/11/01 09:48 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Anyone who has read a lot of my posts probablyknows that I love composing. I got my degree in composition from the University of Soeul Korea. I'm sure that many pianist dabble with trying to create something, but truly composing a full length piece can be both time consuming and require great patience(especially for orchestral works). It requires great musical knowledge as well as musical instinct. I'm currently working on creating a sonata for the piano. I have also created works for violin,string quartet, guitar, choral, and some orchestral works. Sometimes a theme will come to your head but it is more work than magical inspiration. There are a small group of truly talented people that have the ability to create music on the spur of the moment. I know a friend (originally from Jamaica) who teaches several choirs, including one at UTA, that plays the piano for chuch. Anyways, besides being one of the finest pianist I know, he literally creates concert quality accompaniments from scratch for any song (this is not improvising since the accomapniments are not based on any score and they are not extensions of the melody). At any rate, composing is a serious field of work. Taking some courses on composing might be beneficial, but the road to creating good pieces will require lots of time effort and will be laden with thorns.

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#414001 - 11/11/01 09:57 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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How large are most of the pieces you guys compose? I'm thinking about restarting composing myself during my spare time just as something fun. I'm thinking about either composing a set of 24 etudes for piano or a piano sonata. Some other big project I could work on and enjoy (along with preparing for that recital next year.)

And you're right when you say that composition is a very thorny path. I've been doing it on and off for a long time and I've never actually produced anything yet.

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#414002 - 11/11/01 10:50 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Most of my compositions are short, but I also have some pretty long compositions. All are for piano, since I don't know how to play any other instruments. I do have a question. How do you decide what to classify your compositions as? I mean, how do you know to call it an Etude, Prelude, Impromptu, Nocturne, Sonata, Waltz, Melody, Rondo, Polonaise, etc. etc. etc. Just wondering.
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#414003 - 11/11/01 11:01 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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I've also gotten a little inspiration from emotion. Also, I have found a little inspiration from the people and settings around me, and from scenery. Much like Modest Mussorgsky found inspiration to write pictures at an exhibition.
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#414004 - 11/11/01 11:55 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Here's how you classify pieces:

Etude: a piece whose structure is built on a particular technical problem.

Waltz: a piece in 3/4 or 3/8 characterized by a strong first beat.

Polonaise: a piece in 3/4 characterized by a (two sixteenth-notes followed by an eighth note) rhythm (Sorry. Hard to draw notes on a message board.)

Mazurka: a piece in 3/4 characterized by a strong third beat.

Sonata: a larger-scale work consisting of two or more movements (unless you're Liszt, Scarlatti, or Scriabin.)

Nocturne: a generally calmer piece that evokes images of the night.

Barcarolle: a calmer piece that is characterized by a rocking or swaying rhythm.

Rondo: a piece where a particular theme reappears repeatedly.

Scherzo: a "musical joke," until Chopin came along and just made it a piece with a Presto tempo marking and usually, but not always, a 3/4 time signature.

Ballade: a piece that has been inspired by literary sources (I guess. But I guess we could all just call any random piece a ballade if we claim it came from a "literary source" but do not specify where.)

Fugue: a polyphonic contrapuntal piece.

Theme and Variations: Theme and Variations.

Berceuse: a calmer, more lyrical piece.

Moto Perpetuo: a fast piece that gets progressively faster.

Romanze: a usually slow, lyrical piece.

Toccata: usually a lighter, more quicksilver, fast piece.

Funeral March: a slow piece with a strict march rhythm in a minor key characterized by a lumbering dotted rhythm and a lyrical middle section in a related major key.

Minuet: I don't know; 3/4 rhythm I guess. Help me out on this.

Humoresque: a more light-hearted piece.

Jeux d'eau: a piece characterized by arpeggios played piano or pianissimo.

Tarantella: a fast dance in six-eight meter.

Danse Macabre: a dance with a dark, sinister tone to it.

Forlane: a dance that was condemned by the Pope at some point. I can't remember its distinguishing characteristics though.

Rigaudon: Help me out.

Bolero: Help me out as well.

If your composition does not fall into any of these categories and is a larger-scale work: call it a Fantasy or Ballade. Or, be like Liszt and call it a Sonata. If your piece is light-hearted, you could follow Schumann's example and call it a Humoresque.

If your composition does not fall into any of these categories and is a smaller-scale work: call it Prelude, Impromptu, Intermezzo, Rhapsody, Ballade, Novelette, Album-Leaf, et cetera. Or give it an actual title.

Hope this helps. Anybody correct me if they see anything wrong or if they don't like my definitions. These were the best I could come up with in ten minutes.

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#414005 - 11/12/01 12:46 AM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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CDSheridan: Thankyou much for all the information. You have covered a lot. It is appericiated greatly. I'm sorry but I don't know the ones that you're not sure about. And by the way, what would a Moment Musical be? I love Schubert's Moment Musicals and would like to try and come up with one of my own.
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#414006 - 11/12/01 08:26 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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I guess any shorter piece that really does not have a fixed structure or any particular distinguishing characteristics can be called a moment musical. I took a look at Schubert's moment musicaux and could not find anything special about them that made them moment musicaux and not anything else. As far as I knew, they could have been preludes, or ballades, or intermezzi.

I came up with a few more forms:

Spanish Dance: a "danceable" piece with Spanish flavor to it.

Tango and Samba: pieces in duple meter with a particular characteristic rhythm.

Serenade: I think a moderately slow lyrical piece.

Elegy: a slow, lyrical piece with a dark, tragic, lagrimoso feel.

Ave Maria: I can't think of the distinguishing characteristics for this one.

De Profundis: Help me out on this one also.

Songs without Words: I guess a shorter piece that also has no fixed structure or special distinguishing characteristics could qualify for this.

Lyrical Pieces: pieces that are lyrical.

Hope this helps a bit. And if anybody could fill in the missing definitions or if anybody does not like any of my definitions, please, by all means, reply. (I would also like to hear from anybody who has managed to compose some of these forms. :D)

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#414007 - 11/12/01 09:47 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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WOW! (The face represents more "holy cow!" than "eek!" necessarily).

CDSheridan,
I don't compose myself (can't even read the stuff), but if I ever do, I am going to save those last couple posts of yours. Immensely informative! I had always wondered what the differences between all of those were. Again, kudos on those posts.

Josh
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#414008 - 11/12/01 10:59 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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I'm with Josh... this was a great post. I'm working on some of the missing pieces, minuet, bolero, etc. I suppose "I know it when I hear it" isn't really a suitable definition?

Also figured that ballade indicated a song with a strong, cantabile-type melody (e.g., ballad form from singing). Perhaps I'm wrong, though.

Great post! It would have taken me ten days, not ten minutes, to come up with those definitions.
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#414009 - 11/12/01 11:58 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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CDSheridan: Thankyou much! Exteamly informative posts! I have copied them and saved them into my computer. They will come in handy in the future.
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#414010 - 11/13/01 12:01 AM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Originally posted by CDSheridan:
Hope this helps a bit.[/b]


More than you can believe.

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#414011 - 11/13/01 12:18 AM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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I have to strongly disagree with several of these.

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Originally posted by CDSheridan:

Sonata: a larger-scale work consisting of two or more movements (unless you're Liszt, Scarlatti, or Scriabin.)
[/b]

The idea of a single-movement sonata is something that pervaded almost the entire 20th century, and arguably stems from Beethoven op. 110 and his extensive use of motivic saturation in that sonata. Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, Miaskovsky, Lowell Liebermann, and many others all capitalized on single movement sonata form. Also, Scarlatti's "Sonatas" aren't sonatas. They were published under the title "Essercizi per gravicembalo" (Exercises for cembalo). The title "sonata" was later applied to them because of the progressive use of rounded binary form.

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Rondo: a piece where a particular theme reappears repeatedly.
[/b]

ABACABA

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Scherzo: a "musical joke," until Chopin came along...
[/b]

Beethoven op. 2 #2, op. 2 #3, (both of which are exceptional cases considering the strong precedent of the minuet in the four movement sonata structure) op. 14 #2, op. 26, etc. all have marked scherzi, not to mention almost all of the symphonies. Chopin's scherzi aren't even scherzi in the strict sense of the word, actually being closer to rondo form than anything else.

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Theme and Variations: Theme and Variations.
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You can't use a word to define itself. In the case of Haydn's f minor variations, the piece is anything but a set of variations because of the idiomatic use of development within the variation structure that Haydn uses.

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Moto Perpetuo: a fast piece that gets progressively faster.
[/b]

Or stays the same tempo (with a change maybe in the coda) a la the toccatas of Schumann and Prokofiev.

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Toccata: usually a lighter, more quicksilver, fast piece.
[/b]

What about the toccatas of Bach and the other Baroque masters? To them, a toccata was a large (and possibly multi-movement) work with sections of sections of freestyle improvisation alternating with strict, contrapuntal ones. The use of the term toccata by romantic and contemporary composers has nothing to do with a baroque toccata and is more akin to perpetual motion.

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Jeux d'eau: a piece characterized by arpeggios played piano or pianissimo.
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That's not a form for a piece; it was a title adopted by Liszt and Ravel to duplicate on the piano the atmosphere of water. Both of these pieces have extended "fff" climaxes.

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If your composition does not fall into any of these categories and is a larger-scale work: call it a Fantasy or Ballade. Or, be like Liszt and call it a Sonata. If your piece is light-hearted, you could follow Schumann's example and call it a Humoresque.
[/b]

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The Liszt sonata is one of the most ingenious applications of sonata form in the 19th century - he telescopes both sonata-allegro form and an entire four movement sonata into one movement. Not to mention that the music is his greatest pianistic achivement.

Schumann's Humoresque is notably one of the most sarcastic and dark pieces in his ouevre. His admitted inspiration for the piece was to portray how pathetic he thought performers were and how they had to serve the whims of their social superiors .

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#414012 - 11/13/01 02:28 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Who was it who said : "... a little learning is a dangerous thing ..."?

Broad, inaccurate generalisations are just as dangerous.
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#414013 - 11/13/01 02:35 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Sorry we're not all authorities on these things. Some of those may be inaccurate, but before I didn't know what hardly ANY of those were. So for me at least, those "generalizations" were rather helpful.

Josh
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#414014 - 11/13/01 06:08 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Hi.
I love to compose. The largest thing I've written is the 1st movement of a sonata for brass quintet. I've written some small pieces, and loads of beginnings of pieces. is there some way that we could all share our works, and get some feed back?

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#414015 - 11/13/01 09:43 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Okay then, I realize that those who pointed out that some of my definitions were not quite accurate may have been right. Giving definitions might not be the best thing to do here since there could be so many exceptions to each rule. I guess another way to classify pieces would be to look at what you have written and...

1. If your piece is in 3/4 meter and has a strong first beat, then your piece could be a waltz.

2. If your piece is in 3/4 meter has the correct rhythm for a polonaise (the characteristic two sixteenth notes and eighth note) then your piece could be a polonaise.

3. If your piece is in 3/4 and has an emphasized third beat, then your piece could be a mazurka.

4. If your piece has the ABACABA form (Thank you Brendan) then your piece could be a rondo.

5. If your piece is polyphonic and contrapuntal, then it could be a fugue.

6. If your piece is calmer and lyrical, then it could be a nocturne, romanze, serenade, lyrical piece, or berceuse. If it also has a "swaying" or "rocking" rhythm, then it could also be a barcarolle. If the piece is more tragic and lagrimoso, then it could be an elegy.

7. If your piece resembles a fast dance in 6/8 time, then it could be a tarantella.

8. If your piece involves structures built out of a technical problem or two or perhaps three, then it could be an etude.

9. If your piece has a theme and variations, then obviously it could be a theme and variations.

10. If your piece has a lumbering dotted rhythm, is written in a minor key, and has a central section in a related major key, then it could be a funeral march.

11. If your piece is in 3/4 or 3/8 time and has a fast tempo on the whole, then it could be a scherzo.

12. If the tempo of your piece is fast, quicksilver, and is of perpetual motion, then it could be a moto perpetuo or a toccata.

13. If your piece is "danceable" but not necessarily in 3/4 rhythm and has some sort of Spanish flavor to it, then it could be a Spanish Dance. If the piece is in duple rhythm and has the characteristic rhythm of either a tango or samba, then it could be a tango or samba.

You could probably call any smaller-scale work by these names: prelude, ballade, novelette, impromptu, rhapsody, moment musical. These are all works that have no specified form or special distinguishing characteristics.

Any larger scale work could probably be called by these names: sonata, fantasy, ballade.

Keep in mind that you could pretty much name your composition whatever you want so long as it's in reason (examples of something unreasonable: calling a piece in 7/4 rhythm a waltz or a fast, light-hearted piece a funeral march.) Hope this helps.

P. S. A few of the definitions I put up were a bit of a joke. I don't think many of you would be writing forlanes, rigaudons, ave maria, or de profundis.

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#414016 - 11/13/01 10:36 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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I still think that the point is being missed. Let's take sonata form for example. One one end of the chronology, we have rounded binary form and the Essercizi of Scarlatti, and on the other end, we have the compact one-movement sonatas of Scriabin's later years.

Composers sought to find new possibilities through the old conventions of sonata form - Chopin leaves out the first theme in the recapitulation of his sonatas (second and third sonatas, as does Tchaikovsky in the first movement of the Sixth Symphony); Liszt condenses four movements into one; Beethoven allides the slow movement and the last movement(s), and wrote codas as long as recapitulations ( first movement of the Waldstein); Haydn uses monothematicism to a degree that development sections become sometimes longer than the exposition and the recapitulation combined (Hoboken 52. Mozart, by comparison, developed his themes at a less sophisticated level and had a greater number of themes in one movement to compensate).

The point is that you can't typecast genres like you're doing because the whole point of musical evolution is to find flexibility within the convention. Again to underscore my point:


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examples of something unreasonable: calling a piece in 7/4 rhythm a waltz or a fast, light-hearted piece a funeral march.



What about the second movement of Tchaikovsky's Sixth Symphony? It's a Waltz in 5/4, and yet fits so beautifully and elegantly into the metric framework that the meter is barely noticable. There are few "unreasonable" means of expression in music; can you imagine how tasteless music would be if every composer followed formal traditions to the letter?
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#414017 - 11/13/01 10:48 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Okay, I understand what you are trying to say. But somebody asked for a way to figure out how to title their pieces. I'm just trying to give them a bit of an idea of how to start doing that. I'm therefore not trying (at least anymore) to list a strict set of rules that a particular piece has to follow to be a ____. And notice how I kept saying "COULD be a waltz, COULD be a scherzo, etc."

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#414018 - 11/14/01 05:48 AM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Scherzo: a "musical joke," until Chopin came along and just made it a piece with a Presto tempo marking and usually, but not always, a 3/4 time signature.[/b]


Chopin's scherzi do have some humour in them. Though it isn't very clearly expressed, it's still there in a subtle, suggestive kind of way.

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#414019 - 11/14/01 09:04 AM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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If my recollection is correct, a "Minuet" is a relatively short piece, usually composed for dancing. I like to consider it disco - 17th century style. They usually followed a theme tied to traditional dances of the period, and were performed at large galas, balls etc. They usually had repeats in the main theme, and the performer had the option of playing thru them or repeating, depending on how long he wanted to keep the people on the dance floor moving.

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#414020 - 11/14/01 06:18 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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Isn't a minuet also an ABA formatted piece?
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#414021 - 11/14/01 09:02 PM Re: Calling All Composers (again)
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There are, especially in this more modern day and age, so many exceptions to the rule. Many of those terms original meanings are rather antiquated, as such, a piece that carries a specific name does not always *have* to comply with everything in the definition.
There most certainly is a way to share our compositions. Midi would be the idea format. Midi is one of the easiest ways to compose. I assumed most of you would have already known that. Because I certainly hope you are not still using the ink method ;\) .

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