Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
Ad (Piano Sing)
How to Make Your Piano Sing
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
67 registered (allakart, AZNpiano, AtlantisHero, AnimistFvR, 15 invisible), 1063 Guests and 13 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Page 3 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
#420065 - 09/29/05 12:59 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
Piana Justice Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 299
Loc: Greenville, NC
 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Piana Justice:
the Presto Adagio. [/b]
Which presto? Which adagio?

[/b]
the Fantasia one in C# Minor, by Beethoven, which is really fast, that i may try to learn next year, when i'm a more advanced.
_________________________

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#420066 - 09/29/05 10:36 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
8ude Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 2050
 Quote:
Originally posted by Piana Justice:
 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Piana Justice:
the Presto Adagio. [/b]
Which presto? Which adagio?

[/b]
the Fantasia one in C# Minor, by Beethoven, which is really fast, that i may try to learn next year, when i'm a more advanced. [/b]
Are you referring to the last movement (Presto agitato) of the Moonlight Sonata? If so, great piece - but hardly the most difficult ever.
_________________________
What you are is an accident of birth. What I am, I am through my own efforts. There have been a thousand princes and there will be a thousand more. There is one Beethoven.

Top
#420067 - 09/29/05 11:02 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
Max W Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/05/02
Posts: 2846
Loc: RHUL
 Quote:
Originally posted by Allazart:
I think I'm going to write a very difficult piece.
Shouldn't be too difficult. \:D

I don't claim it's the most difficult but here's something that's quite challenging (mainly due to the tempo) but very musical (IMO).

Alkan's 'comme le vent'. His metronome mark is 'quaver = 160' and the dominant note values are triplet demisemiquavers so you have to fit 6 of them into each tick for about 4 minutes.

Very impetuous tempo, but it really does sound 'like the wind' at that speed. It's a pretty funny piece too (you almost want to laugh when listening to it) [/b]
Yeah, I can't even imagine how people can play it, plus theres the huge task of actually reading all the notes ;\)

Top
#420068 - 09/29/05 08:28 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
kcoul058 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/27/04
Posts: 973
Loc: UBC, Vancouver, Canada
I think i'm writing some significantly difficult pieces right now, i should have some PDFs up in a few weeks since now i'm back in the good ol composition classes again.

my vote for hardest piece would definitely have to be The Faeries's Aire and Death Waltz by John Stump.

(To whoever knows the piece i'm talking about)...Who wants to dare me to try and score it into Finale/Scorch and see what it sounds like!? ;\)

Top
#420069 - 09/29/05 08:30 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
pianojerome Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 9868
Oy, kcoul, that piece is a monster!
_________________________
Sam

Top
#420070 - 09/29/05 09:01 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
CCM Stephen Offline
Full Member

Registered: 11/21/04
Posts: 461
Loc: Savannah GA
 Quote:
Originally posted by 8ude:
Another notable mention would be Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum. [/b]
Yeah, the O.C. is really ridiculous, but it's actually not his longest or hardest work. The Symphonic Variations for solo piano supposedly takes 540 minutes and is even more consistently difficult, but I don't think anybody has ever played it.

Top
#420071 - 09/30/05 01:22 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
Piana Justice Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 299
Loc: Greenville, NC
no, i'm not referring to the last movement of the Moolight sonata. it's really fast. if you go to http://www.musicnotes.com/ , then you'll know what i'm talking about.
_________________________

Top
#420072 - 09/30/05 01:35 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
WCSMinorCircuit Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/11/04
Posts: 1124
Loc: California
what are you referring to then? musicnotes helps me not.
_________________________
curiouser curiouser
Shameless self-promotion
Stalk me

Top
#420073 - 09/30/05 10:56 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
8ude Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 2050
me either - a little more help...
_________________________
What you are is an accident of birth. What I am, I am through my own efforts. There have been a thousand princes and there will be a thousand more. There is one Beethoven.

Top
#420074 - 09/30/05 03:17 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
Mr. E Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/22/05
Posts: 426
My guess is you are referring to the third movement of the Moonlight Sonata. It's the only thing that makes sense. I think you just misunderstand the term movement.

Top
#420075 - 09/30/05 03:58 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
pianojerome Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 9868
Piana Justice, I searched that website, and found four pieces called "Adagio and Presto", by four different composers. Are you referring to one of these?


That website doesn't list any piece by Beethoven called "Presto adagio"


"Presto" and "adagio" are simply tempo markings, and they are used in many, many, many compositions. They generally aren't the title of the piece, so a number of us on this forum are a little confused about which piece you are referring to!

_________________________
Sam

Top
#420076 - 09/30/05 04:01 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
pianojerome Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 9868
 Quote:
Originally posted by Piana Justice:
no, i'm not referring to the last movement of the Moolight sonata. it's really fast. [/b]
The last movement of the Moonlight Sonata (Sonata quasi fantasia in C-sharp minor) by Beethoven is very fast. And it's marked "Presto agitato".
_________________________
Sam

Top
#420077 - 10/01/05 02:52 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
Sean215 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 23
Loc: Antioch, CA
Since the question is "what is the most difficult", not "what is the most difficult but still quality?", i will have to say Sorabji. As far as technical difficulty goes, it's nigh impossible, but i personally think his music is crap quality-wise. To me, the BEST difficult piece is the Hammerklavier. It's musically awesome, not just technically grueling.

Top
#420078 - 10/01/05 09:31 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
geqo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/05/05
Posts: 59
Loc: Bloemfontein
just went and found this. IMPOSSIBLE!!! some of that stuff is just him making pretty patterns with notes on pages (surely?!?). NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! it can't be!!! I REFUSE to believe it (or something). Anyway, point is I'm not going to be playing THAT piece. Would love to hear it though...
_________________________
\:D Geqo

Top
#420079 - 10/01/05 09:35 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
geqo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/05/05
Posts: 59
Loc: Bloemfontein
oh dear... that didn't work out... how do i get the pic to display properly?!? but in any case... go search google for "The Faeries's Aire and Death Waltz by John Stump sheet music." take the first link you find with a .jpg extension. NOOOOOOOOOO... KCOUL058... i def dare u to test it with finale. it'll crash!! sorry for all the lines of babbling, but i am completely dumbstruck!!
_________________________
\:D Geqo

Top
#420080 - 10/01/05 09:37 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
geqo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/05/05
Posts: 59
Loc: Bloemfontein


there!! that naaaaaaasty piece of music! (i hope)
_________________________
\:D Geqo

Top
#420081 - 10/01/05 12:22 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
pianojerome Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 9868
"Remove cattle from stage"

"Water pedal"

"Release the penguins"

"Insert peanuts"

"Balance your chair on two legs"

"Moon walk"

"Spam"

...

\:D
_________________________
Sam

Top
#420082 - 10/01/05 12:29 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
Monica K. Offline

Platinum Supporter until Dec 31 2012


Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 17809
Loc: Lexington, Kentucky
That was simply wonderful. I liked the "arranged by accident" part. Even my 9 year old got a kick out of reading all the instructions. But, pianojerome, you left out my favorite: "begin turning flame higher and higher".
_________________________
Mason & Hamlin A -- 91997
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/pianomonica

Top
#420083 - 10/01/05 12:29 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
C.V. Alkan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 827
Loc: Denver, Colorado
I have no idea how you would go about plating that, geqo.
_________________________
- Zack -

Top
#420084 - 10/01/05 01:26 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
mrenaud Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 1315
Loc: Switzerland
 Quote:
Originally posted by Monica Kern:
But, pianojerome, you left out my favorite: "begin turning flame higher and higher". [/b]
I think only "light explosives now ... and ... now" can top that.
_________________________
I have an ice cream. I cannot mail it, for it will melt.

Top
#420085 - 10/01/05 02:00 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
TheAsianPianist Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 129
Loc: Michigan
umm....riiiight.....

what the heck does it sound like? in the second measure youre laying your arms down across the kayboard to play it :p
_________________________
Asian Invasion

Top
#420086 - 10/01/05 02:54 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
Siddhartha Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/08/04
Posts: 1244
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 Quote:
Originally posted by C.V. Alkan:
I have no idea how you would go about plating that, geqo. [/b]
you wouldnt. Its a joke piece. At least I certainly hope nobody would take that seriously and attempt a performance in earnest.

There are stories of parties where VIPs like Cowell, Cage, Partsch, etc would gather and collaborate on works where each one would write a few bars, and pass the staff paper to the left, whereas the next composer adds a few bars, etc. In music school we did the same thing at a few parties (very 'dead poet society'), only we'd include more typical college party indulgences as well. \:\) The resulting scores looked very similar to this one above. Its novelty, and a lot of fun, but thats all.

I'm no prude, and all for experimentation and pushing the envelope, but when this sort of "composition" (while fun) is mistaken for a legitamate gesture, I think that contributes to a VERY bad name for contemporary music.

now back to the fun..... \:D

(Edit: I remember in that party piece we wrote, two performance indications that I added were "Bleed Profusely" and "Expose the most intimate part of your body you dare")
_________________________
I was born the year Glenn Gould stop playing concerts. Coincidence?

Top
#420087 - 10/01/05 03:15 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
C.V. Alkan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 827
Loc: Denver, Colorado
 Quote:
Originally posted by Siddhartha:
 Quote:
Originally posted by C.V. Alkan:
I have no idea how you would go about plating that, geqo. [/b]
you wouldnt. Its a joke piece. [/b]
LOL. Yes, I gathered that much. I think it was after reading the instructions to "release the penguins" and "moon walk" that I figured that one out. My comment was also intended to be sarcastic. I guess that is one of the disadvantages of communicating through a computer - it can't express voice inflection.
_________________________
- Zack -

Top
#420088 - 10/01/05 03:23 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
Siddhartha Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/08/04
Posts: 1244
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 Quote:
Originally posted by C.V. Alkan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Siddhartha:
 Quote:
Originally posted by C.V. Alkan:
I have no idea how you would go about plating that, geqo. [/b]
you wouldnt. Its a joke piece. [/b]
LOL. Yes, I gathered that much. My comment was also intended to be sarcastic. I guess that is one of the disadvantages of communicating through a computer - it can't express voice inflection. [/b]
Oh, I know, but there ARE people who DO take that seriously . In fact one of the music students in on our party piece totally took that seriously, and tried to stage a performance of it and everything. That same guy got totally into the Cage chance music thing, and wrote loads of pieces by rolling dice for notes, or holding blank staff paper up to the light and putting a note anywhere he saw an imperfection in the paper stock. Ridiculous. But he was serious, and thought he was writing brilliant music, and would force feed us recordings of it at parties, etc.

I think he was heinously misguided, but one must ask himself, what separates that misguided music student from John Cage's own chance music? (well, ignoring all of Cage's legitamate compositions for the purpose of the exercise :p )
_________________________
I was born the year Glenn Gould stop playing concerts. Coincidence?

Top
#420089 - 10/02/05 04:44 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
geqo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/05/05
Posts: 59
Loc: Bloemfontein
must say I actually didn't look that closely at the directions. If I had, I think I might have realised that it was a joke. wow! glad that's sorted. Still... I think one day when I'm a billionaire (WHEN, not if!! \:D ), I'll create an award for anyone who plays that piece exactly according to the directions indicated. Hmmmm... penguins... "Smile and wave boys, just smile and wave"

You guys will just have to remind me 15 years from now (or so) about this idea...
_________________________
\:D Geqo

Top
#420090 - 10/02/05 12:37 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
pianojerome Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 9868
You can keep your money, geqo. How would someone play the 24-note chord at the end of the first line?

\:D
_________________________
Sam

Top
#420091 - 10/02/05 12:44 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
mrenaud Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 1315
Loc: Switzerland
 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
You can keep your money, geqo. How would someone play the 24-note chord at the end of the first line?[/b]
Behold... the wonders of genetic engineering.
_________________________
I have an ice cream. I cannot mail it, for it will melt.

Top
#420092 - 10/02/05 01:41 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
pianomad Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 309
Loc: USA
I've seen orchestral reductions that looked like that. A composer asked me to make a recording of his own reduction of his new work so the soloist who was to premiere it could play along. The problem was, it wasn't a reduction. It looked like every note the orchestra plays was crammed onto the page.
_________________________
www.elclandestinomusic.com

"Moralists have no place in an art gallery" ---Han Suyin

"Paint's not really a great thing to bring into a museum" ---Adam Sorenson, The Shape of Things

Top
#420093 - 10/03/05 06:45 AM Re: most difficult piece ever
geqo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/05/05
Posts: 59
Loc: Bloemfontein
I have an alternative for mrenaud's suggestion of how to play the 24-not chord at the end of the first line. It comes from a well known children's song...

♪Head, shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes...♪ (and fingers i suppose)... \:D
_________________________
\:D Geqo

Top
#420094 - 10/03/05 08:00 PM Re: most difficult piece ever
musette Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 10/03/05
Posts: 13
I can't believe nobody's mentioned the Allegro Largo!!!???

Top
Page 3 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!

Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) Piano Music Sale - Dover Publications
Piano Music Sale
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Are there any upright owners who leave the front open?
by harpon
11/29/14 01:00 AM
They don't call him the 'Poet of the Piano' for nothing!
by JoelW
11/28/14 11:53 PM
Steinway rebuild question
by schlaigs
11/28/14 10:00 PM
Baldwin Hamilton Hammer Butt and Back Stop Leather
by Ryan Hassell
11/28/14 09:55 PM
Please help me to find out the pattern of this Cdim7
by SZ54
11/28/14 08:12 PM
Forum Stats
77083 Members
42 Forums
159435 Topics
2342070 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Gift Ideas for Music Lovers!
Find the Perfect Gift for the Music Lovers on your List!
Visit our online store today.

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission