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#420257 - 03/22/05 05:28 PM
Re: Changing fingers on repeated notes
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Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 9849
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If the notes are repeated slowly, I might play with the same finger.
The idea of repeating the same note with different fingers is two-fold: one, to reduce tension and increase speed and accuracy, and two, for touch. Playing with the same finger may create a choppy sound, where as changing fingers may produce a more legato tone.
If the repeated notes are duples (or groups of two), I use 2-1-2-1-... or 1-2-1-2-...
If the repeated notes are triplets (or groups of three), I use 3-2-1-3-2-1-... or 1-2-3-1-2-3-...
If the repeated notes are quadruples (or groups of four), I use 4-3-2-1-4-3-2-1-... or 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-... or 2-1-2-1-... or 1-2-1-2-...
If the repeated notes are groups of five, I use 3-2-1-3-1- 3-2-1-3-1-... or 1-2-3-1-3-1-2-3-1-3-...
If the repeated notes are groups of six, I use 3-2-1-3-2-1-... or 1-2-3-1-2-3-...
Anymore than that, the notes can be broken into smaller groups.
Hanon wrote some excellent exercises for switching fingers on repeated notes...
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#420261 - 03/22/05 08:36 PM
Re: Changing fingers on repeated notes
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 815
Loc: FL
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I came across three Eb's in a row in Chopin's 21st prelude, and my sheet music indicated switching fingers. My teacher told me to pay no attention to it. I did it anyway, just for the exercise.
He said they try to get you to switch fingers so the sound of the note will change and be less monotonous, but it wasn't exactly difficult to change the sound while using one finger.
I kind of suspect that if you're a good technician, it makes no difference which finger you use.
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#420264 - 03/23/05 08:00 AM
Re: Changing fingers on repeated notes
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Registered: 05/17/04
Posts: 1254
Loc: Minneesooota
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Another reason why people alternate fingers is because, say, your thumb muscles will get sore after so many repetitions (and thus, slow down). Sharing the load with the third finger, index finger, and thumb allows each finger to stay fresh and keep that lactic acid away!
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#420266 - 03/23/05 12:45 PM
Re: Changing fingers on repeated notes
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Registered: 08/01/03
Posts: 113
Loc: Norway
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On the part of La Campanella with 4 repeated notes (page 4) I know a pianist using 2-1-2-1 instead of the more common 4-3-2-1, and he is playing the whole piece very clearly (and very fast!) including the "repeated note - place".
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#420267 - 03/23/05 04:26 PM
Re: Changing fingers on repeated notes
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Registered: 02/15/04
Posts: 340
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Originally posted by Nina:  I thought it was partly historical due to the action in old pianos... if you didn't come completely off the key, it wouldn't be back and ready for a re-strike and you wouldn't get a sound (kind of like what still happens in many uprights). Ergo, it's no longer "required," but still may be preferred for the reasons stated above. Am I off-base on this? [/b] Actually this is the correct answer. The double-escapement (double echapament) action invented by Erhard for the grand piano solved the problem of the fast repetition without lifting the finger from the key. Very few upright pianos have a "similar" action. As some teachers pointed, from the begining of the 20-th century, the changing of fingers for a repeated note was not "advised" as a "must do" . One can notice differences between editions of Czerny. Those editions fingered by Buonamici (as well as his Bach editions) would not have a note repeated with the same fingers. Other editions of Czerny (published by Koneman editions - editor unnamed) repeted notes are fingered with the same finger. So... as long as many people will still play on uprights, the changing of fingers will be needed. On grand pianos... do what you feel (if you played the Buonamici... you'll never hit the same key with the same finger all your life !)
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#420268 - 03/24/05 01:53 PM
Re: Changing fingers on repeated notes
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Registered: 10/05/02
Posts: 2846
Loc: RHUL
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There is a huge difference in tone quality when you use multiple fingers...however I wouldn't change fingers if it is just a small duration and if the hand doesnt need to move (like the ones in the percussive part in Minstrels).
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