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#421037 - 12/03/07 05:21 PM Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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This is a takeoff on BruceD's earlier thread about composers who are known for one very well known piece that people without any classical training can identify and link to that particular composer.

I think a lot of things got mixed into that thread. One interesting offshoot was that several people pointed out familiar pieces by composers that in all likelihood the lay public could NOT name. Let's make that a formal question. Name pieces that just about anyone over a certain age and/or maturity level likely would know automatically, but if asked who wrote it they would be stuck for an answer. I'm not talking about pieces that a small number of afficionados of, say, choral music would know, but pieces that have managed to insinuate themselves into the cultural subconscious.

For starters, I would suggest a piece I just heard on my local classical station as I drove home today:


Funeral March for a Marionette........... Gounod.
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#421038 - 12/03/07 05:29 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Rondeau, by Mouret (more commonly known as "That piece from Masterpiece Theater")
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#421039 - 12/03/07 06:33 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Very good choice. I heard it a few days ago and I too had forgotten the composer.
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#421040 - 12/03/07 07:47 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
For starters, I would suggest a piece I just heard on my local classical station as I drove home today:


Funeral March for a Marionette........... Gounod. [/b]
For those of you old enough to remember - that's probably one person on this forum! - the "Funeral March of a Marionette" was the theme music for the Alfred Hitchcock television show.

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#421041 - 12/03/07 07:50 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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"On the Trail" from the Grand Canyon Suite by Ferde Grofe. That used to be the theme music - on radio (Hey, remember radio when it was the only[/b] imported entertainment medium in the home?!?) for Philip Morris cigarettes, with Johnny shouting over the music "Call for Philip Morr.....rrrris!"

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#421042 - 12/03/07 07:55 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Ahem, Bruce, I suspect there are a number of posters who remember that show!


And on a cigarette theme:


Elmer Bernstein: The theme from the Magnificent Seven ....and Marlboro.
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#421043 - 12/03/07 10:39 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Cool thread Piano*Dad.

Do these two count?

- Chopin Sonata No. 2 - March Funèbre movement. I play it for family and friends and no one has a clue it's Chopin.

- Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2. You know, that piece that Tom played while Jerry messed with his piano hammers in their cartoon. \:\)
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#421044 - 12/03/07 11:08 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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I say this one definitely counts, even though its from a movie:

Clint Mansell: Requiem for a Dream

Listen to it on youtube if you don't recognize the name. Chances are, you have heard it before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Ma4BvMUwU
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#421045 - 12/04/07 10:54 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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I say this one definitely counts, even though its from a movie:

Clint Mansell: Requiem for a Dream

Listen to it on youtube if you don't recognize the name. Chances are, you have heard it before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Ma4BvMUwU [/b]
No, I don't recall ever having heard that one, but if we're going to talk about movie scores, surely the opening of Strauss' "Also Sprach Zarathustra" would qualify as a likely candidate in this thread.

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#421046 - 12/04/07 11:01 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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William Tell Overture by Rossini ("Lone Ranger" theme)
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#421047 - 12/04/07 11:03 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by chopin952:
Cool thread Piano*Dad.

Do these two count?

- Chopin Sonata No. 2 - March Funèbre movement. I play it for family and friends and no one has a clue it's Chopin.
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I think this is a big one.

Monica, you're right about the Rossini... but you beat me to it!
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#421048 - 12/04/07 12:10 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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How about the Sabre Dance by Khachaturian? I think that's the one that's played a lot when there are jugglers, clowns and acrobats performing at the circus?

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#421049 - 12/04/07 01:26 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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William Tell Overture by Rossini ("Lone Ranger" theme) [/b]
Perhaps played in the mortgage department of some banks as "The Loan Arrangers Theme"?

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#421050 - 12/04/07 01:48 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Oh, groan. Bruce, you're really giving me competition in the pun-dit category.
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#421051 - 12/04/07 01:50 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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The minuet in G Major by Bach that isn't really by Bach.

I know piano teachers who still don't know who really composed it.
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#421052 - 12/04/07 01:59 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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The minuet in G Major by Bach that isn't really by Bach.

I know piano teachers who still don't know who really composed it.
There might be people on this board too... ;\) ... especially if they're using an old edition of the Notebook for Anna Magdelena Bach.
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#421053 - 12/04/07 02:08 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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the Ode to Joy section in Beethoven
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#421054 - 12/04/07 02:13 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Kreisler:
The minuet in G Major by Bach that isn't really by Bach.

I know piano teachers who still don't know who really composed it. [/b]
On a similar note (bad pun intended :p ), what about that Trumpet Voluntary by Purcell which is really by Jeremiah Clarke? I hear THAT often enough, especially during the wedding season.
A little OP to the Anna Magdalena Notebook for a moment, do we know for certain that "Bist du bei mir" is by Stölzel, or Bach? It's such a lovely little gem whoever composed it, and I did a (not terribly stylistic) realization of it years ago. The last time I checked the version in the notebook might be hybrid -- melody by Stölzel, bass line by Bach. And since Bach did not figure the bass, if you do a realization it becomes a triple hybrid: Stölzel-Bach-you!
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#421055 - 12/04/07 02:17 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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I don't know if it has been 100% established that it is or is not by Bach. Doesn't really matter though - it's a lovely little piece whoever wrote it...
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#421056 - 12/04/07 02:21 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by chopin952:
Cool thread Piano*Dad.

Do these two count?

- Chopin Sonata No. 2 - March Funèbre movement. I play it for family and friends and no one has a clue it's Chopin.

- Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2. You know, that piece that Tom played while Jerry messed with his piano hammers in their cartoon. \:\) [/b]
How about the Wedding Marches by Mendelssohn and Wagner?

We used to sing the Wagner tune when I was a kid... "Here comes the bride, big fat and wide! Now comes the groom, and he's skinny as a broom..."


(Incidentally, I don't remember seeing that Tom and Jerry episode until I got to college... but I've *always* remembered the 2nd HR as a big scene in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?")
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#421057 - 12/04/07 02:22 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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The Flower Duet from Lakme. Written by... by all means.

British Airways recently used it in their adverts... it turned a lot of people on to that delectable moment in opera. And I think it's been used elsewhere too.

But quite why BA would use a French tune is beyond me. With occasional sniping in the press on both sides of the Channel, one would think the Hundred Years War was never properly resolved... which it wasn't.
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#421058 - 12/04/07 02:25 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by chopin952:
Cool thread Piano*Dad.

Do these two count?

- Chopin Sonata No. 2 - March Funèbre movement. I play it for family and friends and no one has a clue it's Chopin.

- Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2. You know, that piece that Tom played while Jerry messed with his piano hammers in their cartoon. \:\) [/b]
How about the Wedding Marches by Mendelssohn and Wagner?

We used to sing the Wagner tune when I was a kid... "Here comes the bride, big fat and wide! Now comes the groom, and he's skinny as a broom..." [/b]
When I was a child I learned it as "Here comes the bride, all dressed in white, ready to fight in the bedroom tonight." Not terribly sure how common that version is, but to be honest I didn't realize
the humor of it until I was much older. \:D
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#421059 - 12/04/07 02:29 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Another that might fit the bill is the Pizzicato Polka by... Delibes
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#421060 - 12/04/07 02:33 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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What about the "Dance of the Hours" from La Gioconda, by Ponchielli, subsequently made even more famous by the "Hello mother, hello father, I am here in Camp Grenada" lyrics...
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#421061 - 12/04/07 02:36 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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"O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana by Carl Orff?
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#421062 - 12/04/07 02:36 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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What about the "Dance of the Hours" from La Gioconda, by Ponchielli, subsequently made even more famous by the "Hello mother, hello father, I am here in Camp Grenada" lyrics...
Not to mention what Fantasia did to it...
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#421063 - 12/04/07 02:41 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Who can forget all those Bugs Bunny cartoons? Chopin's Funeral March and the "Kill the Wabbit, Kill the Wabbit" libretto set to Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries....
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#421064 - 12/04/07 02:42 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
What about the "Dance of the Hours" from La Gioconda, by Ponchielli, subsequently made even more famous by the "Hello mother, hello father, I am here in Camp Grenada" lyrics...
Not to mention what Fantasia did to it... [/b]
Fond as I am of a few selections from Fantasia (and even the sequel, I admit), I can't even REMEMBER a single detail of what they did to it, or that it was even included, for that matter. Probably best that it remains that way...
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#421065 - 12/04/07 02:44 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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20th century ok?

United Airlines underground walkway at Chicago O'Hare airport (Gershwin)

Beef... it's what's for dinner. (Copland)

Pee Wee Hermann's Breakfast Machine (Elfman) now heard in Christmas-shopping credit card commercials.

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#421066 - 12/04/07 02:44 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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How about the opening on Liszt's Eb piano concerto. On numerous occasions I've heard people say "Oh, that's the Gargamel piece from the Smurfs..."
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#421067 - 12/04/07 02:49 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Canon in D by Pachabell.
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#421068 - 12/04/07 02:51 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Hmm, I'm not so sure if it's even famous anymore, but at one point Faure's Pavane was definitely in the public's consciousness. Nowadays it's his Requiem (with good reason) that musicians know, but there's so much wonderful Faure out there -- yes, I admit I have a soft spot for him!
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#421069 - 12/04/07 02:57 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Another Faure gem some might recognize: the Sicilienne from Pelleas and Melisande.
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#421070 - 12/04/07 03:10 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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the Ode to Joy section in Beethoven
Actually, this is precisely NOT what the thread is trying to find. That's a piece that even relatively uneducated listeners likely could pin to Beethoven.
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#421071 - 12/04/07 03:14 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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the Ode to Joy section in Beethoven
Actually, this is precisely NOT what the thread is trying to find. That's a piece that even relatively uneducated listeners likely could pin to Beethoven. [/b]
But I don't believe they would know it's Beethoven. I stand by my choice.
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#421072 - 12/04/07 04:01 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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We used to sing the Wagner tune when I was a kid... "Here comes the bride, big fat and wide! Now comes the groom, and he's skinny as a broom..." [/b]
Just in case anyone wants another version of the words to the Wagner bridal chorus, we used to sing:
"here comes the bride, fair, fat and wide. Slipped on a banana skin and went for a ride"

And a tune for P*D - what about La donna e mobile from Rigoletto. Slightly more likely to be known lately because of the fad for pop tenors, but still ...
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#421073 - 12/04/07 04:14 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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the Ode to Joy section in Beethoven
Actually, this is precisely NOT what the thread is trying to find. That's a piece that even relatively uneducated listeners likely could pin to Beethoven. [/b]
That's my impression as well. BUT, ask them if they know what the anthem to the European Union is and who wrote it and they'll just blink at you.
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#421074 - 12/04/07 04:15 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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How about the "Entry of the Gladiators" by Fucik?
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#421075 - 12/04/07 04:18 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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"O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana by Carl Orff? [/b]
Is that ...er ... orff the record?

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#421076 - 12/04/07 05:13 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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How about the "Entry of the Gladiators" by Fucik? [/b]
:)


By the way, here's that clip from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCt28z7DHW8&feature=related

I could have sworn there was another big scene where the toons are jumping around and making a ruckus to this music... maybe I'm making it up!
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#421077 - 12/04/07 05:16 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Monica K.:
"O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana by Carl Orff? [/b]
Is that ...er ... orff the record?

Cheers! [/b]
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#421078 - 12/04/07 08:56 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Monica K.:
"O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana by Carl Orff? [/b]
Is that ...er ... orff the record?

Cheers! [/b]
:D [/b]
You know, a fairly well known living composer refuses to listen to anything by Orff because of his Nazi sympathies. Personally I can't stand Carmina because, to my ears, it must be the single most overrated piece of art music in the general public's consciousness.
When my choir was assigned to perform it, I begged the head of my school's choral department to reassign me to another choir. He agreed to do so partly because he agreed with me!
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#421079 - 12/04/07 09:18 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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You know, a fairly well known living composer refuses to listen to anything by Orff because of his Nazi sympathies.[/b]
A well-known living composer who is a Nazi sympathizer? Or a dead man with Nazi sympathies? Are ghosts interested in earthly politics? Apparently, pieces of music do occasionally have sympathies. Some Wagner chunks have Nazi sympathies, for example, although Wagner himself did not. It's all very interesting...

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#421080 - 12/04/07 09:21 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
You know, a fairly well known living composer refuses to listen to anything by Orff because of his Nazi sympathies.[/b]
A well-known living composer who is a Nazi sympathizer? Or a dead man with Nazi sympathies? Are ghosts interested in earthly politics? Apparently, pieces of music do occasionally have sympathies. Some Wagner chunks have Nazi sympathies, for example, although Wagner himself did not. It's all very interesting... [/b]
Gosh, you'd think grammatical ambiguities would be clarified by context. Guess not!
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#421081 - 12/04/07 09:45 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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You know, a fairly well known living composer refuses to listen to anything by Orff because of his Nazi sympathies. Personally I can't stand Carmina because, to my ears, it must be the single most overrated piece of art music in the general public's consciousness.
Orff, unlike Karajan or Gieseking, seems never to have been "tainted" by his Nazi sympathies. So how did he rate? Probably because of the filthy nature of Carmina and Catulli, (which Goebbels seemed to have missed) and then Orff's benign music for children.

But like Strauss and Pfitzner (look up the term dour German and there will be a picture of old Hans), Orff got out alive.

Okay, but aside from the operas Ariadne and Boheme, there is no Karajan in my CD collection. Gieseking, aside from some Debussy which he seems to have had a knack for, is utterly overrated.

The problem is, things just came too easily (per our recent thread about talent?) for Gieseking. When asked what was the hardest part about learning the complete Beethoven sonatas, he reportedly replied: "memorizing them, but even that wasn't very hard".

It shows in his (recorded) piano playing, and I will not deal with a pompous German who always gives the impression of just skimming over the great Everests of the piano repertoire.

Indeed. Things were just too easy for him. What an arse.
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#421082 - 12/04/07 09:47 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Antonius Hamus:
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
You know, a fairly well known living composer refuses to listen to anything by Orff because of his Nazi sympathies.[/b]
A well-known living composer who is a Nazi sympathizer? Or a dead man with Nazi sympathies? Are ghosts interested in earthly politics? Apparently, pieces of music do occasionally have sympathies. Some Wagner chunks have Nazi sympathies, for example, although Wagner himself did not. It's all very interesting... [/b]
Gosh, you'd think grammatical ambiguities would be clarified by context. Guess not! [/b]
I'd think it obvious that sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. In this particular case, what would be the context supposedly clarifying the intended meaning?

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#421083 - 12/04/07 09:51 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
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Originally posted by Antonius Hamus:
quote:
Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
You know, a fairly well known living composer refuses to listen to anything by Orff because of his Nazi sympathies.[/b]
A well-known living composer who is a Nazi sympathizer? Or a dead man with Nazi sympathies? Are ghosts interested in earthly politics? Apparently, pieces of music do occasionally have sympathies. Some Wagner chunks have Nazi sympathies, for example, although Wagner himself did not. It's all very interesting... [/b]
Gosh, you'd think grammatical ambiguities would be clarified by context. Guess not! [/b]
I'd think it obvious that sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. In this particular case, what would be the context supposedly clarifying the intended meaning?
Yawn, not taking the bait. Bye.
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#421084 - 12/04/07 09:55 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Couldn't care less, Janus. Wasn't trying to catch anything.

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#421085 - 12/04/07 10:06 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Originally posted by argerichfan:
quote:
Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
You know, a fairly well known living composer refuses to listen to anything by Orff because of his Nazi sympathies. Personally I can't stand Carmina because, to my ears, it must be the single most overrated piece of art music in the general public's consciousness. I certainly don't think of her as an arse!
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#421086 - 12/05/07 12:44 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Though, just to play devil's advocate for a moment, couldn't one say that Argerich found things too easy too? Just saying, don't take it too heavily... I certainly don't think of her as an arse!
Martha Argerich probably found playing the piano as easy as -if not easier- than Gieseking, but at least here we're dealing with an individual of enlightened liberalism. She is a very caring person, yet tends to keep her political views quiet. (George W is not one of her idols.)

Contrast it with Gieseking, who, like Karl Bohm, made an issue of the fact that he stayed in Germany during the War. Bohm, so typically, could only say: "I was bombed just like the others". He was bitter about it. Furtwangler was too.

But I don't think Gieseking ever got over it. I do not think he ever played in the US post WWII, but at an appearance in Vancouver BC, he was said to have been very rude to both his agents and admirers.

He didn't care to be on the loosing side.
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#421087 - 12/05/07 07:58 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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If he didn't care to be on the losing side, I guess he'd rather have had his fuehrer finish off the remaining millions of undesirables across Europe. Such a distasteful business, I suppose. Isn't it wonderful that men of culture could be so above all of that petty politics stuff.


Whoops, quite OT.
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#421088 - 12/05/07 08:09 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Up until last year, I myself didn't know Grieg's Peer Gytn Suite. So I think thats one that people would recognize, especially from movies (Inspector Gadget for example), and not know who it was by. I also find that people don't know that Tchaikovsky wrote the Nutcracker or that Bach wrote the famous Toccata and Fugue in D Minor.
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#421089 - 12/05/07 10:41 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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I just thought of another one. Delibes Pizzicati from Syliva. Another one that's heard on tv and in movies, that most people probably recognize.
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#421090 - 12/06/07 02:43 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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This all reminds me of an extraordinarily famous composer, whom few people seem to know!

Harold Arlen.

Edward Jablonski's biography mentions a story where Harold Arlen was riding in a taxi when he heard the driver whistling "Stormy Weather".

Arlen asked the driver to name the composer, to which the driver replied, "Irving Berlin", then Richard Rodgers, then Cole Porter.

When Arlen said he[/b] had written the piece, the driver said "Who are YOU?"

Practically everyone on this forum would recognize at least a dozen of his tunes. Rather than list them, here is a fascinating link.
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#421091 - 12/07/07 10:36 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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How about Chopin's Prelude in C-minor and his Fantasy Impromptu B-section.

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#421092 - 12/07/07 10:38 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Whenever I can't quite place a Beethoven work over
ClassicFm radio ... it always turns out to be
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#421093 - 12/07/07 10:40 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Whenever I can't quite place a Beethoven work over
ClassicFm radio ... it always turns out to be
something by Schubert which I instantly forget.

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#421094 - 12/07/07 10:58 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Schubert's theme from "Rosamunde", isn't that the piece they play int the cartoon with the two little mice when something is sad or very romantic?
Mozart's "Elvira Madigan" theme?
Chopin's first piano concerto from "The little Girl who lives down the Lane"? (Maybe I'm dating myself now......)
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#421095 - 12/09/07 07:47 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Wow Whippen Boy...

You caught me on that one!

How many know who wrote JOY TO THE WORLD?
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#421096 - 12/09/07 01:09 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Issac Watts?

Who wrote Jingle Bells?

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#421097 - 12/09/07 01:45 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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#421098 - 12/09/07 01:49 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Joy to the World - Handel?

Who wrote Hark, the Herald Angels Sing?

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#421099 - 12/09/07 02:50 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Who wrote Hark, the Herald Angels Sing?

That would be Mendelssohn.

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#421100 - 12/09/07 09:52 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Who wrote Jingle Bells?
James Lord Pierpont, of course. It was titled, "One Horse Open Sleigh," and originally had a different chorus with a much more interesting (IMO) structure.

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Whenever I can't quite place a Beethoven work over
ClassicFm radio ... it always turns out to be
something by Schubert which I instantly forget.
Now THAT is really funny!
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#421101 - 12/09/07 09:58 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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The Star Spangled Banner!

Everybody in the U.S. knows it!

But not Francis Scott Key!
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#421102 - 12/09/07 10:01 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Whenever I can't quite place a Beethoven work over
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something by Schubert which I instantly forget. [/b]
Interesting!

On that topic, it once took me about 15 min to recognize his 5th symphony. That was of course, after the 1st mvt. had played(before I tuned in).
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#421103 - 12/10/07 12:07 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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The Star Spangled Banner!

Everybody in the U.S. knows it!

But not Francis Scott Key!
Hey mate, we've been though this before.

Here is my post (unedited) from a previous thread:

From "Music in England" by Henry Raynor:

The Anacreontic Society was founded in 1766; it met in the Crown and Anchor Tavern on the Strand "for supper and the singing of catches, glees and songs." Each meeting opened with the glee by John Stafford Smith, 'To Anacreon in Heaven', which was the 'constitutional hymn' and which, not many years later, became 'The Star-Spangled Banner'...

Interesting, no?

I've never cared much for it. Why can't the US use "America the Beautiful"? A classier tune, and anyone can sing it.
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#421104 - 12/10/07 01:47 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Classier? Maybe.

But certainly not as stirring!

I know some organ arrangements of the "Star Spangled Banner" that are extremely thrilling. Jason, I bet you know them too. ;\)

Not quite the same effect with "America the Beautiful".
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#421105 - 12/10/07 03:53 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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[QUOTE]The Anacreontic Society was founded in 1766; it met in the Crown and Anchor Tavern on the Strand "for supper and the singing of catches, glees and songs." Each meeting opened with the glee by John Stafford Smith, 'To Anacreon in Heaven', which was the 'constitutional hymn' and which, not many years later, became 'The Star-Spangled Banner'...

Interesting, no?

I've never cared much for it. Why can't the US use "America the Beautiful"? A classier tune, and anyone can sing it.[/i] [/b]
The "mistake" in choosing "The Star Spangled Banner" as a national anthem comes from picking a song that has a range of an octave and a half, which means that most untrained singers can't sing it. Is there another national anthem with such a wide range?

Does any other country have the bizarre - if not disrespectful - tradition of having non-singers trying to sing (too often unsucessfully) their national anthem at mass events?

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#421106 - 12/10/07 04:41 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Also just as a side note, I think the US is only one of like two countries in the world that doesn't have it's name in it's national anthem. I think that's just one more reason to use "America the Beautiful"
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#421107 - 12/10/07 08:22 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Also just as a side note, I think the US is only one of like two countries in the world that doesn't have it's name in it's national anthem. I think that's just one more reason to use "America the Beautiful" [/b]
Have you done research on this?

The French national anthem, "La Marseillaise" makes no mention of France in its lyrics. "...enfants de la patrie... is the closest mention, and "children of the fatherland" could be applicable to any country.

If "God Save the Queen/King" is the "official" English national anthem, there is no mention of England in that anthem's verse, either. It is, it appears, not the national anthem of England but that of Great Britain. One website claims "Land of Hope and Glory" as England's national anthem, and England isn't mentioned in that song, either.

We Canadians, on the other hand, sing the word "Canada" four times in the first verse of "O Canada": there's no ambiguity in our anthem!

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#421108 - 12/10/07 08:40 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Actually no, I didn't :rolleyes: but I was fairly certain it was something I had read on here a while ago. Maybe I was wrong, if it's false, then it's my fault.
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#421109 - 12/10/07 10:23 PM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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Hoedown-Copland (Known to many as the "BEEF" Song!)
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#421110 - 12/11/07 12:58 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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I know some organ arrangements of the "Star Spangled Banner" that are extremely thrilling. Jason, I bet you know them too. ;\)
Well as a matter of fact, I do. But no one can sing it like Whitney .

She is spectacular. Nice plagal cadence near the end. After Aretha's disaster at the 1968 Democratic Convention, there was really no where to go, was there?

Then again, the great man conducts Land of Hope and Glory. He was a supreme conductor of his own music, just listen to how he paces it.

Plenty of Last Night at the Proms on YouTube. Very stirring. As a young teen my mother took me to one of those extravaganzas.

I was so overcome by emotion that I just couldn't sing it, but that is where my lifelong adoration of Elgar started. He is "our" composer.
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#421111 - 12/11/07 01:43 AM Re: Yeah, I know that piece. Got me who wrote it.
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But here is a nice example of those "Last Nights" which I loved.

It will be noted that Elgar's orchestration has never been changed. He got it right the first time. Interestingly, both Stravinsky and Strauss made changes to their scores after an initial run through. Elgar never did.

Make of that what you will...
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