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#426426 - 08/13/07 11:05 PM Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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An 8 year old playing Liszt's 2nd concert etude. Forget the fact that he plays it too fast, the kid is amazing.

(forgive me if this has made the rounds already)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ov81GvB4Wd4&mode=related&search=
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#426427 - 08/13/07 11:23 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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what always amazes me most isn't the fact that children so young can play these pieces - I'd love to know their learning process. whether they learn it by themselves, or whether they are helped a lot by their parents/a teacher. Especially with regards to memorising and learning the notes.

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#426428 - 08/13/07 11:29 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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OMG!! That's incredible!!

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#426429 - 08/13/07 11:33 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Why do you think he plays it too fast?

What amazes me most is that there aren't more Asian kids like him. After all, there are supposedly 50 million piano students in China alone (or there was five years ago).

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#426430 - 08/13/07 11:35 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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I know it`s wrong but I can`t bear to watch - it`s soul-destroying...
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#426431 - 08/13/07 11:53 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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He looks more like 10 to me, amazing still though.
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#426432 - 08/13/07 11:58 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Really just is not fair - is it?

Pardon me while I go strangle myself.

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#426433 - 08/14/07 12:19 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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That's scary! Scary good ...
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#426434 - 08/14/07 01:14 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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I'd like to see one improvise.

He will probably be forgotten like many of these prodigies...

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#426435 - 08/14/07 01:26 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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This kid is so out of my league it's not even threatening. I just sat there and watched with jaw-dropping admiration.
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#426436 - 08/14/07 01:48 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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More about Kit Armstrong, prodigy, now 14:

“ Unquestionably a phenomenon” as described by the New York Times, 13-year-old musician Kit Armstrong also displays remarkable gifts for mathematics, science and languages. He was teaching himself math with Lego blocks at 18 months and reading Business Week when he was two. At the age of five, he began formal composition and piano studies. At seven, he became the youngest scholarship student in the history of Chapman University of California, attending the institution part-time while completing high school. Two years later, he became a full-time undergraduate student, studying piano performance, composition and science. He now attends the Royal Academy of Music and Imperial College in London, England.

Armstrong has already given a number of performances; the most notable are the Steinway and Sons’ Anniversary Concert at Carnegie Hall, the Classical Music Luncheon of the 44th Annual Grammy Awards honoring Van Cliburn, and recitals for the Vancouver Recital Society and Stanford Lively Arts. He performed for a national audience through his October 2005 appearance on CBS's The Late Show with David Letterman. Armstrong has played as soloist with numerous orchestras, having made his concerto debut at the age of eight.

As a composer, Kit has written in various styles. His compositions include numerous pieces for solo piano, a viola sonata, three string quartets, a piano quartet, piano quintet, wind quintet, two piano concertos, a cello concerto, and a symphony. The symphony composition “Celebration,” which he composed at the age of seven, was premiered by the Pacific Symphony Orchestra. In addition to winning a number of state competitions, he has been awarded the Morton Gould Young Composer Award for four consecutive years.

Armstrong currently resides in London, and when he is not practicing, composing, or thinking about mathematical problems, he enjoys juggling, skiing, playing tennis, squash, and flying paper airplanes. While in California, Armstrong enjoys playing with his two pet chickens: Carbon and Nitrogen.
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#426437 - 08/14/07 02:03 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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wow this is a REAL child prodigy, not like many other young kids playing hard pieces and claiming to be child prodigy (by their parents maybe, they're still skilled thought.). this is the real deal!
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#426438 - 08/14/07 03:07 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Searching his name in the PW archives, Kit Armstrong has been mentioned in approx 5-6 threads.

Here is a link to the oldest one; dated 2004.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/20/31.html

And for more current info, check out his website!

http://www.geocities.com/kitcarmstrong/

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#426439 - 08/14/07 03:30 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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That is just amazing. His hands are almost mechanical.

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#426440 - 08/14/07 05:12 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Whoa...

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#426441 - 08/14/07 12:18 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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One of my teachers who is a very experienced pianist and plays concerts all over the world used to say in his first lessons: Don’t think the world has been waiting for you, you are just one pianist more.

I think watching this performance on youtube is an excellent way to learn modesty.

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#426442 - 08/14/07 03:20 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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I am sure it's a camera trick. Someone somehow superimposed the image of a kid over a great adult pianist.

Amazing technique and musical depth.

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#426443 - 08/14/07 05:51 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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He will probably be forgotten like many of these prodigies...
Of course only time will tell. I frankly wasn't expecting to like the performance -but blimey !- that kid has talent. Let's not compare him to Arrau... just yet. ;\)
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#426444 - 08/14/07 06:45 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Why am I not surprised that he's Asian...haha

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#426445 - 08/14/07 06:50 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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I'm sure this has probably been posted before, but here's another little prodigy (Hannah) playing a Chopin Nocturne that just blows me away. I have this video bookmarked and I find myself watching it regularly - it's so beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR2KkA1JlFs

I actually find it motivating to watch and listen to these prodigies. Not that I think I'll ever play as well as they do, but it just energizes me somehow and renews my hope that I will get better if I keep working hard.

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#426446 - 08/14/07 07:03 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Armstrong currently resides in London, and when he is not practicing, composing, or thinking about mathematical problems, he enjoys juggling, skiing, playing tennis, squash, and flying paper airplanes. While in California, Armstrong enjoys playing with his two pet chickens: Carbon and Nitrogen.
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Why am I not surprised that he's Asian...haha
Well, let's see. I am Asian, I play the piano (though most comfortable in the Beginners' Forum), I do math well (hey, my checkbook IS balanced!), I ski (only fall a couple of times a day), I play tennis (while not nursing my tennis elbow), and my husband flies airplanes (radio-controlled ones.)

If I get 2 pet chicken, can I be counted as a prodigy? \:D

What amazes me is not just his technique, but his musical expressiveness!
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#426447 - 08/14/07 07:08 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Just listened to Hannah playing Chopin's Nocturne. It's soooo beautiful it makes my heart ache.
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#426448 - 08/15/07 02:18 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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lol but Kit Armstrong doesn't make MUSIC.
Watch his 4th Ballade. It's a joke. it's DEAD.
He should stick to origami, math, science, and being polylingual.

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#426449 - 08/15/07 02:26 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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lol but Kit Armstrong doesn't make MUSIC.
Watch his 4th Ballade. It's a joke. it's DEAD.
He should stick to origami, math, science, and being polylingual. [/b]
I think that's somewhat unkind. The young man obviously has superior skills and talent. One doesn't expect a child of 8 or 10 (or whatever age he was) to have mature interpretive insights into the great works of the piano literature. He has a whole lifetime to develop those. In the meantime, he has a technique that - if he continues to play the piano - will at least never be a hindrance to whatever interpretation he might want to put on a piece.

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#426450 - 08/15/07 02:30 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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I think that's somewhat unkind.
Now THAT is polite understatement. \:D
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#426451 - 08/15/07 03:36 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Originally posted by Mr_Kitty:
He should stick to origami, math, science, and being polylingual.
Which in the end, of course, the combination of any two would probably pay[/b] more.
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#426452 - 08/15/07 06:51 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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he's NOT that young. He's 15. yeah he can play... he filled in for Yeffim Bronfman in Toronto a few months ago. His playing is very mechanical. It seems his musical personality and temperment just aren't up to his level of his playing.

and Bruce-what you said about technique and hindrance could definitely be debated.

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#426453 - 08/15/07 06:52 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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he's NOT that young. He's 15. yeah he can play... he filled in for Yeffim Bronfman in Toronto a few months ago. His playing is very mechanical. It seems his musical personality and temperment just aren't up to his level of his playing.

and Bruce-what you said about technique and hindrance could definitely be debated.

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#426454 - 08/15/07 06:54 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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sorry for the double post.

It seems to me the world is obsessed with protegies.
Music becomes a spectator sport-LOOK HOW YOUNG THIS KID IS AND LOOK WHAT HE CAN PLAY!!!!!

music isn't about that.
I couldn't care less about kids with insane levels of skill at young ages. I care about great music.

and after Arrau playing all the Transcendental Etudes at age 11.... stuff like this doesn't phaze me

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#426455 - 08/15/07 09:52 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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He has all the WTC I preludes and fugues in repertoire.
http://www.geocities.com/kitcarmstrong/3200.html

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#426456 - 08/15/07 09:55 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Originally posted by Mr_Kitty:
sorry for the double post.

It seems to me the world is obsessed with protegies.
Music becomes a spectator sport-LOOK HOW YOUNG THIS KID IS AND LOOK WHAT HE CAN PLAY!!!!!

music isn't about that.
I couldn't care less about kids with insane levels of skill at young ages. I care about great music.

and after Arrau playing all the Transcendental Etudes at age 11.... stuff like this doesn't phaze me [/b]
Agreed. I don't think a child can understand music on a way an adult will.
Firstly, because children experience everything emotionally, while when you are older you don't aproach to playing so emotionally but reasonably and with head.

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#426457 - 08/15/07 02:28 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Originally posted by Mr_Kitty:
music isn't about that.
I couldn't care less about kids with insane levels of skill at young ages. I care about great music.

[/b]
Well, that clarification either helps or muddies the waters; I don't know. In your thread about Claire Huangci, you raved about her technique and the tremendous speed of her playing, but you said nothing about her musicianship. Now you say you care little about technique.

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#426458 - 08/15/07 02:35 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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When I look at this, I think it puts to rest the argument that there are not innate differences between true virtuosos and the rest of us (well, at least me!). I don't care how many hours of practice he might have had in the first few years of his life (the proverbial 10,000 or not)-- there is somethings very different about people who are able to play like this after three or four years of training. WOW!

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#426459 - 08/15/07 04:50 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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About innate differences... There is simple precocity, early intelligence, which is very advantageous for a child learning to play an instrument: others will catch up only in terms of absolute IQ, not skill level with the instrument. I would guess Armstrong will have a significantly higher than average IQ in maturity as well: early intelligence and great intelligence combined. It's like first you're cute and then you're sexy. But it doesn't always go like that. It might not go like that with Armstrong. But it probably will.

Let's also consider numbers a bit... Approximately 2 out of 100 adults could get into Mensa... Let's say Armstrong is one out of ten thousand 9-20 year-old pianists in the last 20 years who grew up in a very similar 'musico-educational' environment, and let's also say Armstrong was the only one of those ten thousand who could play that well at the age of 8...

It would probably be nice to be that good and all that. It would probably be even nicer if it weren't so unusual... I hope we'll soon get into some sort of highly successful wholesale gene-manipulation phase in the history of our species. I wish...

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#426460 - 08/15/07 04:55 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Originally posted by Antonius Hamus:
I hope we'll soon get into some sort of highly successful wholesale gene-manipulation phase in the history of our species. I wish... [/b]
I should have written:

I hope we'll soon get into some sort of highly successful wholesale gene-manipulation phase in the sad & muddy history of this wretched species that we call human and that is us. All those hundreds of thousands of years... I really, really, hope so...

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#426461 - 08/15/07 05:11 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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I would be very happy if I can even play 1/10 as well as this kid.

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#426462 - 08/15/07 06:00 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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I am not knocking this kid's talent-like I said, he can PLAY! phenomenally well, in fact. His technique, though incredible, is nothing close to Claire Huangci's. Musically speaking, I wouldn't pay to hear EITHER of them. The only purpose technique has is to serve the music. Go watch Kit's 4th Ballade. It's musically nonexistant. Not to mention, he drops the odd note just like the rest of us. If you guys like that type of playing, then all the more power to you! I wouldn't pay 10 cents to hear this kid. End of story.

I am sure one day he'll be a great pianist. Then, I will attend his concerts, and hopefully I will enjoy them. Emotionally and intellectually,I do not think he is prepared to tackle the cornerstone works of the reperetoire.


Prodigies often are pushed to learn big rep at young ages, for ex. with alot of octaves. They are taught to overcome these technical hurdles using incorrect techniques. However, they practice hard, and inevitably master much difficult rep. However, once they get older, these questionable habits are so well established, that they are often impossible to break.

My girlfriend was a prodigy, albeit not QUITE on the level of Kit Armstrong (she played Mend. concerto with orchestras at age 11, while I was learning much smaller pieces). Now, my technique is much better than hers.

The world is full of prodigies. Not all are as phenomenal as Kit Armstrong or Arrau or Peng Peng, or Sarah Chang, or Midori, etc.
If you want to pay big bucks to hear a 10 year old whizz kid play a big concerto, then you are free to do so.
Personally, I wouldn't.
Obviously this kid is a MAJOR beefcake.
He's almost an ubermensch. (speaks like 5 languages fluently, master of origami, already an undergrad at a big uni at the age of 15... etc)
I don't enjoy his playing. Others do.

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#426463 - 08/15/07 07:06 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Mr Kitty :

I don't disagree with most of what you say in your most recent post. I have often said that while I may admire the technique of many a young player, while I may even be amazed by it and envy that I don't possess such skills, I don't frequently go out of my way (to pay) to hear most prodigies. I think, and it seems as though we agree, here too, that many - but not all - of these youngsters do already have the building blocks to tackle the technical aspects of most works of the standard repertoire, and perhaps even beyond that. What they do with those skills and whether they become internationally acclaimed, mature artists remains to be seen and will in large measure be based on what they learn and eventually understand about the music they play.

Prodigies are more often considered as curiosities than artists, primarily on the basis of their technique, and most of us prefer to spend our money to hear artists.

On the other hand, if young performers, before they have had a chance to mature and become known as true artists, don't get support from the public when their careers are in their early stages, will they have careers? - your up-coming San Francisco performance being a possible example.

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#426464 - 08/16/07 10:34 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Bruce
In my own case, I will have a career regardless of the support of kind people like yourself or not.
I agree about the curiosity/artist point you made entirely.
Most of these prodigies play in a way that is very well-taught, very well "trimmed" musically speaking by very experienced teachers, and is very "musical" (you know what I mean) but still they aren't quite "artists" per say. Some exceptions, e.g. Mozart

Lol but I am far from a prodigy-when I was 7, 8, 9, 10.... I practiced half an hour per day, lived the life of a normal youngster-played outside with my friends, went to school etc. Only started practicing like a beast in recent years ;\)

I have several friends who hear Armstrong's recent Toronto debut. Some loved it and proclaimed him a genius, others couldn't stand it.
All a matter of taste.
One thing for certain-Kit seems to play everything very "safe"-he doesn't take risks. In order to be a great artist, you have to go above and beyond playing safe. I'm sure Kit will figure this out and one day be recognized as a great artist. Then-I will look forward to hearing him play.
\:D but I'll get free tickets cause of my connections \:D

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#426465 - 08/16/07 10:36 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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lol argerichfan
forgot to mention.
just cause you and I don't get paid for playing concerts ;\) doesn't mean Kit Armstrong doesn't get paid... I'm sure he clears a couple grand per concert.
Concert pianists with international fame can become FILTHY rich if they play enough concerts...

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#426466 - 08/17/07 01:47 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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plsying mendelssohn's concerto at age 11 does not neccessarily make a prodigy. Many of my teacher's students have played concerto's of that difficulty at that age
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#426467 - 08/17/07 02:05 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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lol but WITH a professional orchestra?

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#426468 - 08/17/07 03:57 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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yes, why not?
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#426469 - 08/17/07 03:58 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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even those who played it with just local string groups are excellent pianist's and nowadays there are quite many kids who play with professional orchestra's
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#426470 - 08/31/07 09:59 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Personally, I'm completely fascinated and intrigued by child prodigies - not just piano prodigies, but prodigies in any field (art, math, chess, and even sports). I wonder (from a scientific viewpoint) what's different about these prodigies that gives them their amazing abilities and will science ever discover methods that might allow us all to unlock untapped potential within ourselves.

In his book, "The Great Pianists", Harold Schonberg says that all of the great pianists from history began as child prodigies. So, when I see a little piano prodigy on TV or on YouTube, I can't help but feel excited at the possibility that I'm looking at the next Mozart, the next Beethoven, the next Liszt, the next Chopin.

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#426471 - 08/31/07 10:35 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Seeing kids like this... I don't know whether it's a good or bad thing. It just intimidates me because I was never blessed with abilities such as these. On the other hand though, there will most likely come a time where all of these pianists will equal out as far as technique and repertory go... All I can do is just practice and hope to catch up.... =/

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#426472 - 09/01/07 05:07 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Harold Shonberg made quite the blanket statement there.
Many great musicians feel they only became serious about music in their teenaged years. It is possible to catch up in technique, but not as easily in rep. For example-go to Adam Golka's website and look at his rep list. It would take most people 50 years to master all of that.
Chess and math-type prodigies amaze me. I heard Kasparov once played 40 games at once WITHOUT a single chess board.

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#426473 - 09/02/07 12:08 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Does The Prodigy have a name?

Good for him I say - may he go on to be one of the greats - if that's what he wants to do

The world needs more great pianists and fewer war lords, war profitteers [sic], corrupt politicians, pedagogs [sic], religious fanatics, etc.
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#426474 - 09/02/07 09:10 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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Kit Armstrong. Also a prodigy in other walks of life. Speaks like 5 languages. Is an undergrad at 15. Really good at origami, math and science.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=R3k38i2aBMU

imho the most unmagical performance of this work on youtube.

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#426475 - 09/02/07 10:40 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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You guys are really something... His playing is somewhat mechanical indeed, but this guy is 15 for christ's sake. With such technique at such a young age, he can spend the rest of his life concentrating on emotions and interpretation.
Although you can be a prodigy at maths, piano, whatever else, there's only one thing that can't be innate and that's emotional maturity. A 15y/o kid, even with the highest IQ doesn't feel things the same way as a 20, 30 or 50 y/o, so how can you ask a kid of that age to play like an adult.
Intellectual maturity isn't emotional maturity.

Frankly I would be really happy if I had even half his skills, just like most of you guys.

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#426476 - 09/03/07 04:40 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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#426477 - 09/03/07 04:42 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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There are things being developed in labs at this very moment that will one day allow nearly any child to exhibit such qualities, provided they are very interested and stick with the 21st century pedagogical method more or less. Fully fledged concert level pianists will be so common that the attention will finally come back to composition as being the element that distinguishes the talented musician from the flock, just as it was during the days when the pieces we all worship were written.

We have become so out of touch with the need for new works to refresh the repertoire that we have forgotten this, but it is inevitable that we return to the height of musical tradition since we will always take advantage of any and all new technological developments as they become available, and they will.

This is why it is so very frustrating that every time a thread like this comes up, a potential true prodigy with a wealth of compositions, we can never hear the compositions of course. This is how I would judge the child just as I would continue to judge my own works in order to improve in future efforts. It is as soon as someone else likes a rough interpretation of a new composition that it must be thoroughly learned and recorded, since nowadays we have this amazing ability to almost shut away the composers still writing new works, even if they are becoming more accessible once again.

In the best case scenario, we have a new work premiered, and then forget all about it. We give the standing ovation like we would to pretty much anything and then we move on, usually back to the classics.

People have been impeding the emergence of the 21st century style by putting it in the same bag as the 20th century works they would rather not listen to or consider performing, and this can only be remedied by awakening people to this reality and have everyone stand the new works up against the classics, work closely with humble composers willing to always try and try again, and hopefully start getting people writing on the level of the classics we so adore once again, even if in a completely new (yet accessible) style. Reading the history books, all composers have needed this process of feedback, and revision and/or writing a new work in an improved manner, to start producing masterpieces.

If 99 people read and ignored this post, and 1 person really thought about it, perhaps having studied enough music history themselves to know that this is true, the tragedy of vast segregation within the musical sub-circles of our modern times, then it would be worth taking the time to write.

It's not going to be an easy process to mend and patch the *one* musical, or even all-art circle to become closer to the way it once was, with all of the essential benefits thereof, but we have to try, it's all we can do.

I think we should encourage this prodigy to record the compositions he is most proud of. For non piano works, he should be taught how to do virtual mockups.

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#426478 - 09/04/07 03:12 AM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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It's not Armstrong's iq I have a problem with-I'm sure his iq is well above 140. it's his EQ!
so what... being only 15 and having half the WTC in your reperetoire makes it okay to play mechanically?

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#426479 - 09/06/07 02:29 PM Re: Yet another prodigy link (this is unbelievable)
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One day anyone will be able to play well mechanically. Less people will be able to play well interpretively. Even less people will write compositions that have a lasting impression on humankind as was once popular. (but more than recently)

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