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#451646 - 03/15/06 11:12 PM
Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Okay gang, here's the deal. I've always wanted to know exactly how many notes there are in the third Rachmaninoff concerto. So...I propose the following project: We count the notes. (I'm serious) When you have a few free minutes, pull out the score and count all the notes in a page, then post the page number and number of notes in this thread. To keep everything regulated, let's all use the orchestral score at www.sheetmusicarchive.net The rules: You must count EVERY note except for ties. This includes grace notes. A trill between two notes counts as 2 notes. Two notes tied together counts as 1 note.
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#451647 - 03/15/06 11:13 PM
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I'll go first:
Page 1 = 38 notes
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#451648 - 03/15/06 11:14 PM
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Page 2 = 94 notes
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#451649 - 03/15/06 11:15 PM
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Page 3 = 83 notes
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#451650 - 03/15/06 11:16 PM
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Page 4 = 135 notes
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#451651 - 03/15/06 11:16 PM
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This includes the orchestral parts as well, or just the piano?
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#451652 - 03/15/06 11:17 PM
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Just the piano part.
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#451653 - 03/15/06 11:29 PM
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Page 5 = 146 notes
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#451654 - 03/15/06 11:57 PM
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Haha so we shall finally unravel the deep dark secrets of why Rach 3 is so famous after all
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#451655 - 03/16/06 12:04 AM
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Haha, I should probably be practicing, but what the hell  Page 6 = 139
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#451657 - 03/16/06 12:35 AM
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#451658 - 03/16/06 01:27 AM
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Ok now count another bombastic concerto to compare.
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#451659 - 03/16/06 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by The 89th Key:  There are 8,702 notes. [/b] That sounds like an EXTREMELY low guess...especially considering there are 542 notes on page 65 (of Schirmer's) alone. Doing some simple math (total notes in the 7 pages listed, plus my count of the *probably* highest-density page), taking the average notes per page to be 180, we find that there are approximately 14,220 notes in the concerto (Schirmer's is 79 pages). Of course, now that I count, there are 885 notes on page 77 alone...so I'm sure that changes the average just a little. (Again, this is Schirmer's edition, not the sheet music archives.) My guess is somewhere between 14,000 and 18,000.
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#451660 - 03/16/06 07:03 AM
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#451661 - 03/16/06 11:38 AM
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Page 9 = 228
Page 10 = 233
Page 11 = 80
It looks like we're done with Mvmt. 1 File 1 now. There are 1655 notes in those 11 pages.
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#451662 - 03/16/06 11:51 AM
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EXCELLENT!
So...the first file is:
1,655 Notes.
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#451663 - 03/16/06 11:55 AM
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I was a bit bored, so I started on file 2:
Page 2.1 = 187
EDIT 2: Ah, now I see. It seems you counted the unison f in bar 3 as two notes while I counted it as one. I have updated my numbers accordingly.
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#451664 - 03/16/06 11:59 AM
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File 2, Page 1: 187
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#451665 - 03/16/06 12:13 PM
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Page 2.2 = 301
Page 2.3 = 407
Page 2.4 = 287
Page 2.5 = 300
I think I'll stop now.
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#451666 - 03/16/06 02:54 PM
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Or not.
Page 2.6 = 300
Page 2.7 = 122
Page 2.8 = 96
Page 2.9 = 200
Page 2.10 = 167
Page 2.11 = 258
I guess we're done with File 2 as well.
Total of pages in File 2: 2625
Overal total (Files 1 and 2): 4280
EDIT: Which cadenza shall we count? The one in big print, the ossia one, maybe both?
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#451667 - 03/16/06 03:19 PM
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Hmm...let's do the one in big print!
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#451668 - 03/16/06 06:30 PM
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Out of curiosity, for those of us keeping tabs who have different versions...which cadenza is the "one in big print"? I assume the slower, louder cadenza?
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#451670 - 03/17/06 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by PianoBeast10489: We are using the edition shown on Sheetmusicarchives.net, Derulux. [/b] I know you are...but I don't feel like wasting my precious 2 downloads on downloading something I already have a copy of, which is why I asked. 
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#451672 - 03/17/06 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by whippen boy: It's better to count the rests! [/b] Remember the old commercial, "How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?" Yeah...three. :p
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#451674 - 03/17/06 04:18 PM
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Do not hijack my thread.
This is serious business.
Less talk, more counting!
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#451675 - 03/17/06 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Kreisler: Do not hijack my thread. This is serious business. Less talk, more counting! [/b] :D I shall claim these two pages of the third movement! Movement 3 File 3 Page 3: 277 Movement 3 File 3 Page 4: 303 A calculator sure makes the job easier!
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#451676 - 03/17/06 09:02 PM
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Those two pages for the horizontal density. Now for the vertical density:
Movement 3 File 7 Page 2: 252 (on one line!!)
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#451677 - 03/17/06 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Kreisler: Hmm...let's do the one in big print! [/b] Doesn't the ossia cadenza have more notes? Be prepared for pwnage... using ossia cadenza: Movement 1 file 4 page 2: 922  Movement 1 file 4 page 3: 1588 (+/- 10 for both... I kind of lost concentration)
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#451678 - 03/18/06 12:14 PM
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movement 1 file 3: page 1: 191 (don't count the first note of page 2!)
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#451679 - 03/18/06 12:21 PM
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Movement 1 file 3: page 2: 225 (including first note of page 3 (tied note))!
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#451680 - 03/18/06 12:31 PM
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n00b question - how do I get to it from sheetmusicarchives.net?
I want to help!
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#451681 - 03/18/06 12:39 PM
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Movement 1 file 3: page 3: 467
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#451682 - 03/18/06 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by mary808: n00b question - how do I get to it from sheetmusicarchives.net? I want to help! [/b] Click on Rachmaninoff, scroll down to the files...
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#451683 - 03/18/06 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by mary808: n00b question - how do I get to it from sheetmusicarchives.net? I want to help! [/b] You go to www.sheetmusicarchives.net. You click on Rachmaninov (http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/single_listing.cfm?composer_id=54). You scroll down to the 4th from under, called "Orchestral Scores". There you see: Orchestral Scores Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 1 (file 1/4) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 1 (file 2/4) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 1 (file 3/4) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 1 (file 4/4) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 2 (file 1/2) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 2 (file 2/2) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 1/7) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 2/7) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 3/7) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 4/7) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 5/7) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 6/7) Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 7/7) Just download them all, by clicking on them, and then on "Download". Note: You are limited only 2 downloads a day (so if you're smart you download file 3/4 and 4/4 of movenment 1 today, so you can start )
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#451684 - 03/18/06 01:00 PM
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Movement 1 file 3: page 4: 302
Movement 1 file 3: page 5: 178
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#451685 - 03/18/06 02:27 PM
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RUNNING TOTAL SO FAR:
6,475 NOTES
Keep it up!!!!
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#451686 - 03/18/06 02:36 PM
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Mvt. 2, File 1: Page 1 - 0  Page 2 - 0 Page 3 - 99 Page 4 - 299
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#451688 - 03/18/06 03:28 PM
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Heey what's everyone doing? The one is counting mvt. 1, the other just starts with mvt. 2 and thrid guy starts counting page 2-3 of Mvt. 3... haha!
Anyway...
Mvt. 1 file 3:
Page 6: 141
Page 7: 108
Page 8: 171
Page 9: 186
Page 10: 177
Page 11: 176
Together: 959
Together file 3: 2322
Done with file 3!
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#451689 - 03/18/06 04:17 PM
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File 4: Originally posted by prokofiev: Originally posted by Kreisler: Hmm...let's do the one in big print! [/b] Doesn't the ossia cadenza have more notes? Be prepared for pwnage... using ossia cadenza: Movement 1 file 4 page 2: 922 Movement 1 file 4 page 3: 1588 (+/- 10 for both... I kind of lost concentration) [/b] Page 1 normal (so not with Ossia): 186 Page 1 Ossia (so using the Ossia): 405 Page 2 normal (not Ossia): 520
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#451690 - 03/18/06 04:45 PM
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Page 4: 476
Page 5: 655 (?)
Page 6: 117
Page 7: 94
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#451691 - 03/18/06 05:07 PM
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Page 8: 131 Page 9: 121 Page 10: 174 Got a bit confused after long counting so I guess it's +/- max. 100 for them .
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#451692 - 03/18/06 05:14 PM
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A nice overview: Rachmaninov Concerto no. 3: note count[/b] Movement 1:[/b] File 1 Page 1: 38 Page 2: 94 Page 3: 83 Page 4: 135 Page 5: 146 Page 6: 139 Page 7: 252 Page 8: 227 Page 9: 228 Page 10: 233 Page 11: 80 Total of notes in File 1: 1655[/b] File 2 Page 1 = 187 Page 2 = 301 Page 3 = 407 Page 4 = 287 Page 5 = 300 Page 6 = 300 Page 7 = 122 Page 8 = 96 Page 9 = 200 Page 10 = 167 Page 11 = 258 Total of notes in File 2: 2625[/b] Total of notes in Files 1 and 2: 4280 File 3 Page 1 = 191 Page 2 = 225 Page 3 = 467 Page 4 = 302 Page 5 = 178 Page 6 = 141 Page 7 = 108 Page 8 = 171 Page 9 = 186 Page 10 = 177 Page 11 = 176 Total of notes in File 3: 2322 [/b] Total of notes in Files 1+3: 3977 Total of notes in Files 2+3: 4947 Total of notes in Files 1-3: 6602 File 4Page 1 Standard: 186 Page 1 Ossia: 405 (?) Page 2 Standard: 520 Page 2 Ossia: 922 Page 3: 1588 Page 4: 476 Page 5: 655 (?) Page 6: 117 Page 7: 94 Page 8: 131 Page 9: 121 Page 10: 174 Total of notes in File 4(Normal version): 4062 Total of notes in File 4 (Ossia version): 4683 [/b] Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Normal version): 5717 Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Ossia version): 6338 Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Normal version): 6687 Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Ossia version): 7308 Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Normal version): 8342 Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Ossia version): 8963 Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Normal version): 6384 Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Ossia version): 7005 Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Normal version): 8039 Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Ossia version): 8660 Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Normal version): 9009 Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Ossia version): 9630 Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Normal version): 10664 Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Ossia version): 11285 Total of notes in Movement 1 (Normal version): 10664 Total of notes in Movement 1 (Ossia version): 11285 [/b] Movement 2:[/b] File 1Page 1 - 0 Page 2 - 0 Page 3 - 99 Page 4 – 299 Total of notes in File 1: [/b] Movement 3: [/b] File 1 Page 3: 277 Page 4: 303 Total of notes in File 1:[/b] Current Score: 12363 [/b]
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#451693 - 03/18/06 05:17 PM
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Ok I promiss I won't ever post here or count anymore, only updating the nice table thing !
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#451694 - 03/18/06 06:22 PM
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Movement 2, File 1:
Page 5: 453
Page 6: 231
Page 7: 179
Page 8: 461
Page 9: 285
Page 10: 342
Page 11: 408
Movement 2, File 1 done.
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#451695 - 03/18/06 07:15 PM
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Excellent work, everyone!
GRAND TOTAL:
14,253 NOTES!
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#451696 - 03/18/06 07:21 PM
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Current needs:
2nd Movement, File 2
Almost all of third movement.
First movement total:
10,664 NOTES! (no ossia)
11,285 NOTES! (using the ossia)
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#451697 - 03/19/06 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Kreisler: Excellent work, everyone! GRAND TOTAL: 14,253 NOTES! [/b] I have 15120.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Update: Rachmaninov Concerto no. 3: note count[/b] Movement 1:[/b] File 1 Page 1: 38 Page 2: 94 Page 3: 83 Page 4: 135 Page 5: 146 Page 6: 139 Page 7: 252 Page 8: 227 Page 9: 228 Page 10: 233 Page 11: 80 Total of notes in File 1: 1655[/b] File 2 Page 1 = 187 Page 2 = 301 Page 3 = 407 Page 4 = 287 Page 5 = 300 Page 6 = 300 Page 7 = 122 Page 8 = 96 Page 9 = 200 Page 10 = 167 Page 11 = 258 Total of notes in File 2: 2625[/b] Total of notes in Files 1 and 2: 4280 File 3 Page 1 = 191 Page 2 = 225 Page 3 = 467 Page 4 = 302 Page 5 = 178 Page 6 = 141 Page 7 = 108 Page 8 = 171 Page 9 = 186 Page 10 = 177 Page 11 = 176 Total of notes in File 3: 2322 [/b] Total of notes in Files 1+3: 3977 Total of notes in Files 2+3: 4947 Total of notes in Files 1-3: 6602 File 4Page 1 Standard: 186 Page 1 Ossia: 405 (?) Page 2 Standard: 520 Page 2 Ossia: 922 Page 3: 1588 Page 4: 476 Page 5: 655 (?) Page 6: 117 Page 7: 94 Page 8: 131 Page 9: 121 Page 10: 174 Total of notes in File 4(Normal version): 4062 Total of notes in File 4 (Ossia version): 4683 [/b] Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Normal version): 5717 Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Ossia version): 6338 Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Normal version): 6687 Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Ossia version): 7308 Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Normal version): 8342 Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Ossia version): 8963 Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Normal version): 6384 Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Ossia version): 7005 Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Normal version): 8039 Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Ossia version): 8660 Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Normal version): 9009 Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Ossia version): 9630 Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Normal version): 10664 Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Ossia version): 11285 Total of notes in Movement 1 (Normal version): 10664 Total of notes in Movement 1 (Ossia version): 11285 [/b] Movement 2:[/b] File 1Page 1 - 0 Page 2 - 0 Page 3 - 99 Page 4 – 299 Page 5 - 453 Page 6 - 231 Page 7 - 179 Page 8 - 461 Page 9 - 285 Page 10 - 342 Page 11 - 408 Total of notes in File 1: 2757[/b] Movement 3: [/b] File 1 Page 3: 277 Page 4: 303 Total of notes in File 1:[/b] Current Score: 15120 [/b]
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#451699 - 03/20/06 03:56 PM
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I doubt Prokofiev 2 has more, simply because it's almost 15 mins shorter.
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#451700 - 03/21/06 12:23 PM
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Hey are we stopping with counting? Come on... just a little to go!
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#451701 - 03/21/06 12:52 PM
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YES! OBEY lol_nl! KEEP COUNTING!
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#451702 - 03/22/06 12:36 AM
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A new estimate, based on current numbers, places the concerto in the neiborhood of 21,000-23,000. Any bets it's even higher than that? 70:1 odds <18,000 6:1 18,000-20,000 Even money 20,000-24,000 2:1 24,000-26,000 3:1 26,000-28,000 5:1 28,000-33,000 11:1 >33,000
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#451703 - 03/22/06 03:47 AM
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Counting notes? Yee gads and little fishes! You are actually going to count ALL the notes in the RACH 3!!! Shock, horror, gasp, etc. At first I thought "Oh my ," these people are mad... now I'm thinking "Must download Rach 3!!"
Oh, and for all the other aspiring note counters out there who want to download the rach 3 from sheetmusicarchive.net but who are frustrated by the whole 2 downloads a day thing... there is hope! After you've downloaded your two files, click Tools, Internet Options, and then Delete Cookies. This will allow you to download another two. Repeat process.
Yes, I know, cheating the system, evil, etc etc, but what can I say, I'm a PC guy.
Anyway, I'm not going to help on this thread (at least not yet; tests, tests and more tests), but I will check back later (if I remember) to see what the grand total is.
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#451704 - 03/24/06 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by geqo: Oh, and for all the other aspiring note counters out there who want to download the rach 3 from sheetmusicarchive.net but who are frustrated by the whole 2 downloads a day thing... there is hope! After you've downloaded your two files, click Tools, Internet Options, and then Delete Cookies. This will allow you to download another two. Repeat process. [/b] Does this also work for sites such as Rapidshare?
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#451705 - 03/24/06 05:13 PM
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Looks like we gave up :rolleyes:
Did all the work for nothing...
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#451707 - 03/26/06 11:48 AM
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Oh no! Don't give up! I had never thought of this before. Now I'm thinking that if one has a MIDI file of something, it would be handy to have a program showing the total notes for each instrument. Then one could fit some mathematical model to it, and prove how great these works are.
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#451708 - 03/26/06 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by Dsus2: Oh no! Don't give up! I had never thought of this before. Now I'm thinking that if one has a MIDI file of something, it would be handy to have a program showing the total notes for each instrument. Then one could fit some mathematical model to it, and prove how great these works are. [/b] Some loonies have done that with Bartok's music - I read about half of a book by Erno Lendvai about Bartok, and there is one page that is basically a list: if you count the total number of 8th notes in this particular piece, and you multiply times the golden section (0.618) you get THE 8th note which starts the recapitulation; if you count the total number of 8th notes in THIS piece, and you multiply times the golden section (0.618) you get THE 8th note which starts the recapitulation; etc.... for basically an entire page. 
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#451709 - 03/27/06 05:06 PM
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Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting.  :p
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#451710 - 03/27/06 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Contrapunctus: Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. :p [/b] Hey! I resent that!!! :p (I'm a musicology major)
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#451711 - 03/27/06 05:16 PM
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Movement 2, File 2:
Page 2: 184
Page 3: 154
Page 4: 162
Page 5: 153
Page 6: 194
Page 7: 159
Page 8: 0
Page 9: 357
Page 10: 137
Whew.
(I'm studying musicology as well, by the way.)
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#451712 - 03/27/06 05:35 PM
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And:
Movement 3, File 1:
Page 1: 79
Page 2: 245
Page 5: 137
Page 6: 175
Page 7: 174
Page 8: 157
Page 9: 142
Page 10: 272
(Page 3 and 4 have already been counted, so I skipped those.)
Movement 3, File 1 is done. Only six more files to go.
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#451713 - 03/28/06 03:32 AM
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Rach. 3 never ceases to amaze me. Beauty in its purest sense, IMHO--'tis inspiration from the Highest. Musically, Benjamin Francis http://www.myspace.com/benjaminfrancis
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#451714 - 03/28/06 12:46 PM
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Update: Rachmaninov Concerto no. 3: note count[/b] Movement 1:[/b] File 1 Page 1: 38 Page 2: 94 Page 3: 83 Page 4: 135 Page 5: 146 Page 6: 139 Page 7: 252 Page 8: 227 Page 9: 228 Page 10: 233 Page 11: 80 Total of notes in File 1: 1655[/b] File 2 Page 1 = 187 Page 2 = 301 Page 3 = 407 Page 4 = 287 Page 5 = 300 Page 6 = 300 Page 7 = 122 Page 8 = 96 Page 9 = 200 Page 10 = 167 Page 11 = 258 Total of notes in File 2: 2625[/b] Total of notes in Files 1 and 2: 4280 File 3 Page 1 = 191 Page 2 = 225 Page 3 = 467 Page 4 = 302 Page 5 = 178 Page 6 = 141 Page 7 = 108 Page 8 = 171 Page 9 = 186 Page 10 = 177 Page 11 = 176 Total of notes in File 3: 2322 [/b] Total of notes in Files 1+3: 3977 Total of notes in Files 2+3: 4947 Total of notes in Files 1-3: 6602 File 4Page 1 Standard: 186 Page 1 Ossia: 405 (?) Page 2 Standard: 520 Page 2 Ossia: 922 Page 3: 1588 Page 4: 476 Page 5: 655 (?) Page 6: 117 Page 7: 94 Page 8: 131 Page 9: 121 Page 10: 174 Total of notes in File 4(Normal version): 4062 Total of notes in File 4 (Ossia version): 4683 [/b] Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Normal version): 5717 Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Ossia version): 6338 Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Normal version): 6687 Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Ossia version): 7308 Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Normal version): 8342 Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Ossia version): 8963 Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Normal version): 6384 Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Ossia version): 7005 Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Normal version): 8039 Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Ossia version): 8660 Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Normal version): 9009 Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Ossia version): 9630 Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Normal version): 10664 Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Ossia version): 11285 Total of notes in Movement 1 (Normal version): 10664 Total of notes in Movement 1 (Ossia version): 11285 [/b] Movement 2:[/b] File 1Page 1 - 0 Page 2 - 0 Page 3 - 99 Page 4 ? 299 Page 5 - 453 Page 6 - 231 Page 7 - 179 Page 8 - 461 Page 9 - 285 Page 10 - 342 Page 11 - 408 Total of notes in File 1: 2757[/b] File 2 Page 1: 405 Page 2: 184 Page 3: 154 Page 4: 162 Page 5: 153 Page 6: 194 Page 7: 159 Page 8: 0 Page 9: 357 Page 10: 137 Total of notes in File 2: 1905 Total of notes in Movement 2: 4662[/b] Movement 3: [/b] File 1 Page 1: 79 Page 2: 245 Page 3: 277 Page 4: 303 Page 5: 137 Page 6: 175 Page 7: 174 Page 8: 157 Page 9: 142 Page 10: 272 Total of notes in File 1: 1961[/b] Current Score (Normal Version): 17287 [/b] Current Score (Ossia Version): 17928 [/b]
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#451715 - 03/28/06 04:55 PM
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Movement 3, File 7:
Pg. 1 - 45
Pg. 2 - 168
Pg. 3 - 153
Pg. 4 - 168
Pg. 5 - 178
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#451716 - 03/29/06 06:44 PM
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"alternativly if the Rach3 is on the classicarchive, da mart can code a script in exactly 30 seconds[/b] dat can count in 0.000001 sec the total notes of a selected intrument from a midi file. This is the SDC intellect VS. The PW intellect" (dasdc.net)
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#451717 - 03/29/06 07:00 PM
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I have the MIDI files. Show me the script and it's done.
Otherwise, let's keep counting, folks!
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#451718 - 03/31/06 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by pianojerome: Originally posted by Contrapunctus: Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. :p [/b] Hey! I resent that!!! :p (I'm a musicology major) [/b] Soory, I thought you were a piano major.
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#451719 - 04/01/06 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Contrapunctus: Originally posted by pianojerome: Originally posted by Contrapunctus: Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. :p [/b] Hey! I resent that!!! :p (I'm a musicology major) [/b] Soory, I thought you were a piano major. [/b] :p (I'm just teasing you. ) I'm a music history major and piano principal - which basically gets all the benefits of being a piano major, but I don't have to prepare 4 pieces for a jury every semester (juries are optional for me), and I also get a musicology degree (instead of a performance degree)
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#451720 - 04/02/06 02:31 PM
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Everybody gave up :rolleyes: !
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#451722 - 04/07/06 02:26 AM
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Might have been easier to use the file on www.piano.ru/library.html, as its the two piano reduction. Oh well.
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#451723 - 04/07/06 08:50 AM
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Probably not easier. Just less pages, but more notes per page.
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#451725 - 04/16/06 04:17 PM
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Ok...
Movement 3, File 2:
Page 1: 347
Page 2: 350
Page 3: 286
Page 4: 235
Page 5: 307
Page 6: 89
Page 7: 0
Page 8: 0
Page 9: 204
Page 10: 314
Movement 3, File 3:
Page 1: 233
Page 2: 220
Page 3: 143
Page 4: 308
Page 5: 137
Page 6: 234
Page 7: 201
Page 8: 208
Page 9: 390
Page 10: 232
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#451727 - 04/16/06 05:35 PM
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(If you count notes, it helps to think that you don't have anything better to do...)
Movement 3, File 4:
Page 1: 308
Page 2: 280
Page 3: 303
Page 4: 190
Page 5: 205
Page 6: 70
Page 7: 0
Page 8: 127
Page 9: 212
Page 10: 111
Movement 3, File 5:
Page 1: 108
Page 2: 167
Page 3: 154
Page 4: 177
Page 5: 161
Page 6: 116
Page 7: 224
Page 8: 201
Page 9: 169
Page 10: 211
Movement 3, File 6:
Page 1: 195
Page 2: 264
Page 3: 184
Page 4: 119
Page 5: 164
Page 6: 107
Page 7: 246
Page 8: 156
Page 9: 138
Page 10: 88
Page 11: 206
Movement 3, File 7:
Page 6: 246
Page 7: 266
Page 8: 280
Page 9: 118
Page 10: 163
Page 11: 164
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#451728 - 04/16/06 06:55 PM
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OK, the third movement is done, off to do some math: Movement 3: File 1: 1961 File 2: 2132 File 3: 2306 File 4: 1806 File 5: 1688 File 6: 1867 File 7: 1949 Movement 3 total: 13709[/b] That makes: Total notes in Movement 1 (normal cadenza): 10664 Total notes in Movement 1 (ossia cadenza): 11285 Total notes in Movement 2: 4662 Total notes in Movement 3: 13709[/b] (Drumroll, please...) Total notes (normal cadenza): 29035
Total notes (ossia cadenza): 29656[/b] Whew. What now?
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#451729 - 04/17/06 08:09 AM
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no-one estimated it right :)at the beginning . And now we check with other sources .
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#451730 - 04/17/06 12:02 PM
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And btw, WELL DONE EVERYBODY !
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#451735 - 04/17/06 04:25 PM
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No recounts!
However, I do plan to count the notes in a MIDI file of the work I found.
I expect, though, that the MIDI file will contain many MORE notes than is correct - remember a MIDI file will count every note of a trill, so while we counted trills as 2 notes, a trill in a MIDI file could be anywhere from 4 to 100 notes depending on the length of the trill.
If the MIDI number is within a decent range, though, I'll call our project a smashing success!
Thanks to all who undertook the project, this was fun!
- K
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#451736 - 04/18/06 11:16 AM
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Can't we just google and try to find it ?
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#451738 - 04/23/06 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by troglodyte: Next question: How many notes did Rachmaninoff write in his life? [/b] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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