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#451646 - 03/15/06 11:12 PM Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Okay gang, here's the deal. I've always wanted to know exactly how many notes there are in the third Rachmaninoff concerto.

So...I propose the following project:

We count the notes. (I'm serious)

When you have a few free minutes, pull out the score and count all the notes in a page, then post the page number and number of notes in this thread.

To keep everything regulated, let's all use the orchestral score at www.sheetmusicarchive.net

The rules:

You must count EVERY note except for ties. This includes grace notes. A trill between two notes counts as 2 notes. Two notes tied together counts as 1 note.
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#451647 - 03/15/06 11:13 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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I'll go first:

Page 1 = 38 notes
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#451648 - 03/15/06 11:14 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 2 = 94 notes
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#451649 - 03/15/06 11:15 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 3 = 83 notes
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#451650 - 03/15/06 11:16 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 4 = 135 notes
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#451651 - 03/15/06 11:16 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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This includes the orchestral parts as well, or just the piano?
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#451652 - 03/15/06 11:17 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Just the piano part.
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#451653 - 03/15/06 11:29 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 5 = 146 notes
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#451654 - 03/15/06 11:57 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Haha so we shall finally unravel the deep dark secrets of why Rach 3 is so famous after all
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#451655 - 03/16/06 12:04 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Haha, I should probably be practicing, but what the hell \:\)


Page 6 = 139
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#451656 - 03/16/06 12:15 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 7 = 252

887 Notes thus far....

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#451657 - 03/16/06 12:35 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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There are 8,702 notes.
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#451658 - 03/16/06 01:27 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Ok now count another bombastic concerto to compare.
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#451659 - 03/16/06 01:35 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by The 89th Key:
There are 8,702 notes. [/b]
That sounds like an EXTREMELY low guess...especially considering there are 542 notes on page 65 (of Schirmer's) alone.

Doing some simple math (total notes in the 7 pages listed, plus my count of the *probably* highest-density page), taking the average notes per page to be 180, we find that there are approximately 14,220 notes in the concerto (Schirmer's is 79 pages).

Of course, now that I count, there are 885 notes on page 77 alone...so I'm sure that changes the average just a little. (Again, this is Schirmer's edition, not the sheet music archives.)

My guess is somewhere between 14,000 and 18,000.
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#451660 - 03/16/06 07:03 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 8 = 227

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#451661 - 03/16/06 11:38 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 9 = 228
Page 10 = 233
Page 11 = 80

It looks like we're done with Mvmt. 1 File 1 now. There are 1655 notes in those 11 pages.
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#451662 - 03/16/06 11:51 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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EXCELLENT!

So...the first file is:

1,655 Notes.
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#451663 - 03/16/06 11:55 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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I was a bit bored, so I started on file 2:

Page 2.1 = 187

EDIT 2: Ah, now I see. It seems you counted the unison f in bar 3 as two notes while I counted it as one. I have updated my numbers accordingly.
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#451664 - 03/16/06 11:59 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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File 2, Page 1: 187
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#451665 - 03/16/06 12:13 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 2.2 = 301
Page 2.3 = 407
Page 2.4 = 287
Page 2.5 = 300

I think I'll stop now.
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#451666 - 03/16/06 02:54 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Or not.

Page 2.6 = 300
Page 2.7 = 122
Page 2.8 = 96
Page 2.9 = 200
Page 2.10 = 167
Page 2.11 = 258

I guess we're done with File 2 as well.

Total of pages in File 2: 2625
Overal total (Files 1 and 2): 4280

EDIT: Which cadenza shall we count? The one in big print, the ossia one, maybe both?
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#451667 - 03/16/06 03:19 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Hmm...let's do the one in big print!
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#451668 - 03/16/06 06:30 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Out of curiosity, for those of us keeping tabs who have different versions...which cadenza is the "one in big print"? I assume the slower, louder cadenza?
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#451669 - 03/16/06 06:57 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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We are using the edition shown on Sheetmusicarchives.net, Derulux.

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#451670 - 03/17/06 05:55 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by PianoBeast10489:
We are using the edition shown on Sheetmusicarchives.net, Derulux. [/b]
I know you are...but I don't feel like wasting my precious 2 downloads on downloading something I already have a copy of, which is why I asked. ;\)
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#451671 - 03/17/06 06:08 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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It's better to count the rests!
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#451672 - 03/17/06 03:09 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by whippen boy:
It's better to count the rests! [/b]
Remember the old commercial, "How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?"

Yeah...three. :p ;\)
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#451673 - 03/17/06 04:12 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Yes, but if you don't count the rests carefully, you are liable to come in at the wrong time!

(hehehe) :p
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#451674 - 03/17/06 04:18 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Do not hijack my thread.

This is serious business.

Less talk, more counting!
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#451675 - 03/17/06 08:46 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Kreisler:
Do not hijack my thread.

This is serious business.

Less talk, more counting! [/b]
:D

I shall claim these two pages of the third movement!

Movement 3 File 3 Page 3: 277
Movement 3 File 3 Page 4: 303

A calculator sure makes the job easier!
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#451676 - 03/17/06 09:02 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Those two pages for the horizontal density. Now for the vertical density:

Movement 3 File 7 Page 2: 252 (on one line!!)
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#451677 - 03/17/06 09:16 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Kreisler:
Hmm...let's do the one in big print! [/b]
Doesn't the ossia cadenza have more notes?

Be prepared for pwnage... using ossia cadenza:
Movement 1 file 4 page 2: 922
Movement 1 file 4 page 3: 1588
(+/- 10 for both... I kind of lost concentration)
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#451678 - 03/18/06 12:14 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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movement 1 file 3: page 1: 191 (don't count the first note of page 2!)
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#451679 - 03/18/06 12:21 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Movement 1 file 3: page 2: 225 (including first note of page 3 (tied note))!
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#451680 - 03/18/06 12:31 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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n00b question - how do I get to it from sheetmusicarchives.net?

I want to help!
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#451681 - 03/18/06 12:39 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Movement 1 file 3: page 3: 467
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#451682 - 03/18/06 12:43 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by mary808:
n00b question - how do I get to it from sheetmusicarchives.net?

I want to help! [/b]
Click on Rachmaninoff, scroll down to the files...
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#451683 - 03/18/06 12:43 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by mary808:
n00b question - how do I get to it from sheetmusicarchives.net?

I want to help! [/b]
You go to www.sheetmusicarchives.net. You click on Rachmaninov (http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/single_listing.cfm?composer_id=54).
You scroll down to the 4th from under, called "Orchestral Scores".

There you see:

Orchestral Scores

Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 1 (file 1/4)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 1 (file 2/4)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 1 (file 3/4)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 1 (file 4/4)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 2 (file 1/2)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 2 (file 2/2)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 1/7)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 2/7)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 3/7)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 4/7)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 5/7)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 6/7)
Piano Concerto No.3, Movement 3 (file 7/7)


Just download them all, by clicking on them, and then on "Download".

Note: You are limited only 2 downloads a day (so if you're smart you download file 3/4 and 4/4 of movenment 1 today, so you can start \:\) )
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#451684 - 03/18/06 01:00 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Movement 1 file 3: page 4: 302
Movement 1 file 3: page 5: 178
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#451685 - 03/18/06 02:27 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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RUNNING TOTAL SO FAR:

6,475 NOTES

Keep it up!!!!
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#451686 - 03/18/06 02:36 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Mvt. 2, File 1:

Page 1 - 0 \:\(

Page 2 - 0 \:\(

Page 3 - 99

Page 4 - 299
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#451687 - 03/18/06 03:25 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Guys, someone already did this. I'm serious. He counted all the notes in Rach 3, all the notes in every Mozart concerto. What's funny, there are more notes in Rach than all 27 Mozart Concerti COMBINED.

At least, this was all told to me by a professor at my school.

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#451688 - 03/18/06 03:28 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Heey what's everyone doing? The one is counting mvt. 1, the other just starts with mvt. 2 and thrid guy starts counting page 2-3 of Mvt. 3... haha!

Anyway...

Mvt. 1 file 3:

Page 6: 141
Page 7: 108
Page 8: 171
Page 9: 186
Page 10: 177
Page 11: 176
Together: 959
Together file 3: 2322

Done with file 3!
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#451689 - 03/18/06 04:17 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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File 4:

 Quote:
Originally posted by prokofiev:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Kreisler:
Hmm...let's do the one in big print! [/b]
Doesn't the ossia cadenza have more notes?

Be prepared for pwnage... using ossia cadenza:
Movement 1 file 4 page 2: 922
Movement 1 file 4 page 3: 1588
(+/- 10 for both... I kind of lost concentration) [/b]
Page 1 normal (so not with Ossia): 186
Page 1 Ossia (so using the Ossia): 405
Page 2 normal (not Ossia): 520
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#451690 - 03/18/06 04:45 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 4: 476
Page 5: 655 (?)
Page 6: 117
Page 7: 94
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#451691 - 03/18/06 05:07 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Page 8: 131
Page 9: 121
Page 10: 174

Got a bit confused after long counting so I guess it's +/- max. 100 for them \:\) .
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#451692 - 03/18/06 05:14 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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A nice overview:

Rachmaninov Concerto no. 3: note count[/b]

Movement 1:[/b]

File 1
Page 1: 38
Page 2: 94
Page 3: 83
Page 4: 135
Page 5: 146
Page 6: 139
Page 7: 252
Page 8: 227
Page 9: 228
Page 10: 233
Page 11: 80
Total of notes in File 1: 1655[/b]

File 2
Page 1 = 187
Page 2 = 301
Page 3 = 407
Page 4 = 287
Page 5 = 300
Page 6 = 300
Page 7 = 122
Page 8 = 96
Page 9 = 200
Page 10 = 167
Page 11 = 258

Total of notes in File 2: 2625[/b]
Total of notes in Files 1 and 2: 4280

File 3
Page 1 = 191
Page 2 = 225
Page 3 = 467
Page 4 = 302
Page 5 = 178
Page 6 = 141
Page 7 = 108
Page 8 = 171
Page 9 = 186
Page 10 = 177
Page 11 = 176

Total of notes in File 3: 2322 [/b]
Total of notes in Files 1+3: 3977
Total of notes in Files 2+3: 4947
Total of notes in Files 1-3: 6602


File 4
Page 1 Standard: 186
Page 1 Ossia: 405 (?)
Page 2 Standard: 520
Page 2 Ossia: 922
Page 3: 1588
Page 4: 476
Page 5: 655 (?)
Page 6: 117
Page 7: 94
Page 8: 131
Page 9: 121
Page 10: 174

Total of notes in File 4(Normal version): 4062
Total of notes in File 4 (Ossia version): 4683
[/b]

Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Normal version): 5717
Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Ossia version): 6338
Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Normal version): 6687
Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Ossia version): 7308
Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Normal version): 8342
Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Ossia version): 8963
Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Normal version): 6384
Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Ossia version): 7005
Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Normal version): 8039
Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Ossia version): 8660
Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Normal version): 9009
Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Ossia version): 9630
Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Normal version): 10664
Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Ossia version): 11285

Total of notes in Movement 1 (Normal version): 10664
Total of notes in Movement 1 (Ossia version): 11285
[/b]

Movement 2:[/b]

File 1
Page 1 - 0
Page 2 - 0
Page 3 - 99
Page 4 299

Total of notes in File 1: [/b]

Movement 3: [/b]

File 1
Page 3: 277
Page 4: 303

Total of notes in File 1:[/b]

Current Score: 12363 [/b]
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#451693 - 03/18/06 05:17 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Ok I promiss I won't ever post here or count anymore, only updating the nice table thing \:\) !
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#451694 - 03/18/06 06:22 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Movement 2, File 1:

Page 5: 453
Page 6: 231
Page 7: 179
Page 8: 461
Page 9: 285
Page 10: 342
Page 11: 408

Movement 2, File 1 done.
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#451695 - 03/18/06 07:15 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Excellent work, everyone!

GRAND TOTAL:
14,253 NOTES!
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#451696 - 03/18/06 07:21 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Current needs:

2nd Movement, File 2

Almost all of third movement.

First movement total:

10,664 NOTES! (no ossia)
11,285 NOTES! (using the ossia)
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#451697 - 03/19/06 04:17 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Kreisler:
Excellent work, everyone!

GRAND TOTAL:
14,253 NOTES! [/b]
I have 15120.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Update:

Rachmaninov Concerto no. 3: note count[/b]

Movement 1:[/b]

File 1
Page 1: 38
Page 2: 94
Page 3: 83
Page 4: 135
Page 5: 146
Page 6: 139
Page 7: 252
Page 8: 227
Page 9: 228
Page 10: 233
Page 11: 80
Total of notes in File 1: 1655[/b]

File 2
Page 1 = 187
Page 2 = 301
Page 3 = 407
Page 4 = 287
Page 5 = 300
Page 6 = 300
Page 7 = 122
Page 8 = 96
Page 9 = 200
Page 10 = 167
Page 11 = 258

Total of notes in File 2: 2625[/b]
Total of notes in Files 1 and 2: 4280

File 3
Page 1 = 191
Page 2 = 225
Page 3 = 467
Page 4 = 302
Page 5 = 178
Page 6 = 141
Page 7 = 108
Page 8 = 171
Page 9 = 186
Page 10 = 177
Page 11 = 176

Total of notes in File 3: 2322 [/b]
Total of notes in Files 1+3: 3977
Total of notes in Files 2+3: 4947
Total of notes in Files 1-3: 6602


File 4
Page 1 Standard: 186
Page 1 Ossia: 405 (?)
Page 2 Standard: 520
Page 2 Ossia: 922
Page 3: 1588
Page 4: 476
Page 5: 655 (?)
Page 6: 117
Page 7: 94
Page 8: 131
Page 9: 121
Page 10: 174

Total of notes in File 4(Normal version): 4062
Total of notes in File 4 (Ossia version): 4683
[/b]

Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Normal version): 5717
Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Ossia version): 6338
Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Normal version): 6687
Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Ossia version): 7308
Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Normal version): 8342
Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Ossia version): 8963
Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Normal version): 6384
Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Ossia version): 7005
Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Normal version): 8039
Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Ossia version): 8660
Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Normal version): 9009
Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Ossia version): 9630
Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Normal version): 10664
Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Ossia version): 11285

Total of notes in Movement 1 (Normal version): 10664
Total of notes in Movement 1 (Ossia version): 11285
[/b]

Movement 2:[/b]

File 1
Page 1 - 0
Page 2 - 0
Page 3 - 99
Page 4 299
Page 5 - 453
Page 6 - 231
Page 7 - 179
Page 8 - 461
Page 9 - 285
Page 10 - 342
Page 11 - 408

Total of notes in File 1: 2757[/b]

Movement 3: [/b]

File 1
Page 3: 277
Page 4: 303

Total of notes in File 1:[/b]

Current Score: 15120 [/b]
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#451698 - 03/20/06 03:25 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Haha this could lead to some interesting quantitave comparison of pieces. Does the Prokofiev 2 really have more notes that the Rach 3? Maybe we should find out. ;\)

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#451699 - 03/20/06 03:56 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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I doubt Prokofiev 2 has more, simply because it's almost 15 mins shorter.
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#451700 - 03/21/06 12:23 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Hey are we stopping with counting? Come on... just a little to go!
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#451701 - 03/21/06 12:52 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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YES! OBEY lol_nl! KEEP COUNTING!
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#451702 - 03/22/06 12:36 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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A new estimate, based on current numbers, places the concerto in the neiborhood of 21,000-23,000. Any bets it's even higher than that?

70:1 odds <18,000
6:1 18,000-20,000
Even money 20,000-24,000
2:1 24,000-26,000
3:1 26,000-28,000
5:1 28,000-33,000
11:1 >33,000

;\)
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#451703 - 03/22/06 03:47 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Counting notes? Yee gads and little fishes! You are actually going to count ALL the notes in the RACH 3!!! Shock, horror, gasp, etc.

At first I thought "Oh my ," these people are mad... now I'm thinking "Must download Rach 3!!"

Oh, and for all the other aspiring note counters out there who want to download the rach 3 from sheetmusicarchive.net but who are frustrated by the whole 2 downloads a day thing... there is hope! After you've downloaded your two files, click Tools, Internet Options, and then Delete Cookies. This will allow you to download another two. Repeat process.

Yes, I know, cheating the system, evil, etc etc, but what can I say, I'm a PC guy.

Anyway, I'm not going to help on this thread (at least not yet; tests, tests and more tests), but I will check back later (if I remember) to see what the grand total is.

Gluck! (good luck)
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#451704 - 03/24/06 01:25 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Originally posted by geqo:

Oh, and for all the other aspiring note counters out there who want to download the rach 3 from sheetmusicarchive.net but who are frustrated by the whole 2 downloads a day thing... there is hope! After you've downloaded your two files, click Tools, Internet Options, and then Delete Cookies. This will allow you to download another two. Repeat process.
[/b]
Does this also work for sites such as Rapidshare?
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#451705 - 03/24/06 05:13 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Looks like we gave up :rolleyes:
Did all the work for nothing...
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#451706 - 03/25/06 07:34 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Here is a revive for the project ..

Mov.2 File 2 Page 1: 405 notes

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#451707 - 03/26/06 11:48 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Oh no! Don't give up!
I had never thought of this before. Now I'm thinking that if one has a MIDI file of something, it would be handy to have a program showing the total notes for each instrument. Then one could fit some mathematical model to it, and prove how great these works are. \:\)

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#451708 - 03/26/06 11:49 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Originally posted by Dsus2:
Oh no! Don't give up!
I had never thought of this before. Now I'm thinking that if one has a MIDI file of something, it would be handy to have a program showing the total notes for each instrument. Then one could fit some mathematical model to it, and prove how great these works are. \:\) [/b]
Some loonies have done that with Bartok's music - I read about half of a book by Erno Lendvai about Bartok, and there is one page that is basically a list: if you count the total number of 8th notes in this particular piece, and you multiply times the golden section (0.618) you get THE 8th note which starts the recapitulation; if you count the total number of 8th notes in THIS piece, and you multiply times the golden section (0.618) you get THE 8th note which starts the recapitulation; etc.... for basically an entire page.

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#451709 - 03/27/06 05:06 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. :p
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#451710 - 03/27/06 05:08 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Originally posted by Contrapunctus:
Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. :p [/b]
Hey! I resent that!!!

:p


(I'm a musicology major)
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#451711 - 03/27/06 05:16 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Movement 2, File 2:

Page 2: 184
Page 3: 154
Page 4: 162
Page 5: 153
Page 6: 194
Page 7: 159
Page 8: 0
Page 9: 357
Page 10: 137

Whew.

(I'm studying musicology as well, by the way.)
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#451712 - 03/27/06 05:35 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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And:

Movement 3, File 1:

Page 1: 79
Page 2: 245
Page 5: 137
Page 6: 175
Page 7: 174
Page 8: 157
Page 9: 142
Page 10: 272

(Page 3 and 4 have already been counted, so I skipped those.)

Movement 3, File 1 is done. Only six more files to go.
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#451713 - 03/28/06 03:32 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Rach. 3 never ceases to amaze me.

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#451714 - 03/28/06 12:46 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Update:

Rachmaninov Concerto no. 3: note count[/b]

Movement 1:[/b]

File 1
Page 1: 38
Page 2: 94
Page 3: 83
Page 4: 135
Page 5: 146
Page 6: 139
Page 7: 252
Page 8: 227
Page 9: 228
Page 10: 233
Page 11: 80
Total of notes in File 1: 1655[/b]

File 2
Page 1 = 187
Page 2 = 301
Page 3 = 407
Page 4 = 287
Page 5 = 300
Page 6 = 300
Page 7 = 122
Page 8 = 96
Page 9 = 200
Page 10 = 167
Page 11 = 258

Total of notes in File 2: 2625[/b]
Total of notes in Files 1 and 2: 4280

File 3
Page 1 = 191
Page 2 = 225
Page 3 = 467
Page 4 = 302
Page 5 = 178
Page 6 = 141
Page 7 = 108
Page 8 = 171
Page 9 = 186
Page 10 = 177
Page 11 = 176

Total of notes in File 3: 2322 [/b]
Total of notes in Files 1+3: 3977
Total of notes in Files 2+3: 4947
Total of notes in Files 1-3: 6602


File 4
Page 1 Standard: 186
Page 1 Ossia: 405 (?)
Page 2 Standard: 520
Page 2 Ossia: 922
Page 3: 1588
Page 4: 476
Page 5: 655 (?)
Page 6: 117
Page 7: 94
Page 8: 131
Page 9: 121
Page 10: 174

Total of notes in File 4(Normal version): 4062
Total of notes in File 4 (Ossia version): 4683
[/b]

Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Normal version): 5717
Total of notes in Files 1+4 (Ossia version): 6338
Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Normal version): 6687
Total of notes in Files 2+4 (Ossia version): 7308
Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Normal version): 8342
Total of notes in Files 1+2+4 (Ossia version): 8963
Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Normal version): 6384
Total of notes in Files 3+4 (Ossia version): 7005
Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Normal version): 8039
Total of notes in Files 1+3+4 (Ossia version): 8660
Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Normal version): 9009
Total of notes in Files 2+3+4 (Ossia version): 9630
Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Normal version): 10664
Total of notes in Files 1-4 (Ossia version): 11285

Total of notes in Movement 1 (Normal version): 10664
Total of notes in Movement 1 (Ossia version): 11285
[/b]

Movement 2:[/b]

File 1
Page 1 - 0
Page 2 - 0
Page 3 - 99
Page 4 ? 299
Page 5 - 453
Page 6 - 231
Page 7 - 179
Page 8 - 461
Page 9 - 285
Page 10 - 342
Page 11 - 408

Total of notes in File 1: 2757[/b]

File 2
Page 1: 405
Page 2: 184
Page 3: 154
Page 4: 162
Page 5: 153
Page 6: 194
Page 7: 159
Page 8: 0
Page 9: 357
Page 10: 137

Total of notes in File 2: 1905


Total of notes in Movement 2: 4662[/b]

Movement 3: [/b]

File 1
Page 1: 79
Page 2: 245
Page 3: 277
Page 4: 303
Page 5: 137
Page 6: 175
Page 7: 174
Page 8: 157
Page 9: 142
Page 10: 272

Total of notes in File 1: 1961[/b]

Current Score (Normal Version): 17287 [/b]
Current Score (Ossia Version): 17928 [/b]
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#451715 - 03/28/06 04:55 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Movement 3, File 7:

Pg. 1 - 45
Pg. 2 - 168
Pg. 3 - 153
Pg. 4 - 168
Pg. 5 - 178
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#451716 - 03/29/06 06:44 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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"alternativly if the Rach3 is on the classicarchive, da mart can code a script in exactly 30 seconds[/b] dat can count in 0.000001 sec the total notes of a selected intrument from a midi file.

This is the SDC intellect VS. The PW intellect" (dasdc.net)

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#451717 - 03/29/06 07:00 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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I have the MIDI files. Show me the script and it's done.

Otherwise, let's keep counting, folks!
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#451718 - 03/31/06 04:51 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Contrapunctus:
Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. :p [/b]
Hey! I resent that!!!

:p


(I'm a musicology major) [/b]
Soory, I thought you were a piano major.
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#451719 - 04/01/06 11:43 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Contrapunctus:
 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Contrapunctus:
Musicologists have nothing better to do than fill books with note counting. :p [/b]
Hey! I resent that!!!

:p


(I'm a musicology major) [/b]
Soory, I thought you were a piano major. [/b]
:p

(I'm just teasing you. ;\) )

I'm a music history major and piano principal - which basically gets all the benefits of being a piano major, but I don't have to prepare 4 pieces for a jury every semester (juries are optional for me), and I also get a musicology degree (instead of a performance degree)
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#451720 - 04/02/06 02:31 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Everybody gave up :rolleyes: !
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#451721 - 04/05/06 12:01 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Wow. I'll never again claim that I'm bored. Seriously: learn a language or something! All you really need to say when someone asks how many notes are in Rach 3 is "more 'n you can shake a stick at"! Happy counting.
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#451722 - 04/07/06 02:26 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Might have been easier to use the file on www.piano.ru/library.html, as its the two piano reduction. Oh well.

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#451723 - 04/07/06 08:50 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Probably not easier. Just less pages, but more notes per page.
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#451724 - 04/16/06 02:59 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Why is this still a sticky? We do nothing with it. This was the weirdest and most useless topic ever made... WHY DID I SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON IT?!?! \:\) \:\) \:D :p \:D \:D
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#451725 - 04/16/06 04:17 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Ok...

Movement 3, File 2:

Page 1: 347
Page 2: 350
Page 3: 286
Page 4: 235
Page 5: 307
Page 6: 89
Page 7: 0
Page 8: 0
Page 9: 204
Page 10: 314

Movement 3, File 3:

Page 1: 233
Page 2: 220
Page 3: 143
Page 4: 308
Page 5: 137
Page 6: 234
Page 7: 201
Page 8: 208
Page 9: 390
Page 10: 232
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#451726 - 04/16/06 05:12 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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see lol_nl .. there is hope

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#451727 - 04/16/06 05:35 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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(If you count notes, it helps to think that you don't have anything better to do...)

Movement 3, File 4:

Page 1: 308
Page 2: 280
Page 3: 303
Page 4: 190
Page 5: 205
Page 6: 70
Page 7: 0
Page 8: 127
Page 9: 212
Page 10: 111

Movement 3, File 5:

Page 1: 108
Page 2: 167
Page 3: 154
Page 4: 177
Page 5: 161
Page 6: 116
Page 7: 224
Page 8: 201
Page 9: 169
Page 10: 211

Movement 3, File 6:

Page 1: 195
Page 2: 264
Page 3: 184
Page 4: 119
Page 5: 164
Page 6: 107
Page 7: 246
Page 8: 156
Page 9: 138
Page 10: 88
Page 11: 206

Movement 3, File 7:

Page 6: 246
Page 7: 266
Page 8: 280
Page 9: 118
Page 10: 163
Page 11: 164
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#451728 - 04/16/06 06:55 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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OK, the third movement is done, off to do some math:

Movement 3:
File 1: 1961
File 2: 2132
File 3: 2306
File 4: 1806
File 5: 1688
File 6: 1867
File 7: 1949

Movement 3 total: 13709[/b]

That makes:

Total notes in Movement 1 (normal cadenza): 10664
Total notes in Movement 1 (ossia cadenza): 11285
Total notes in Movement 2: 4662
Total notes in Movement 3: 13709[/b]

(Drumroll, please...)

Total notes (normal cadenza): 29035
Total notes (ossia cadenza): 29656
[/b]

Whew. What now?
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#451729 - 04/17/06 08:09 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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no-one estimated it right :)at the beginning \:\) . And now we check with other sources \:\) .
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#451730 - 04/17/06 12:02 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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And btw, WELL DONE EVERYBODY \:\) !
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#451731 - 04/17/06 12:46 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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You could convert the sheet music to Midi format and let the software counts for you. \:D

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#451732 - 04/17/06 02:31 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Congrats to everyone

Kreisler will be very pleased \:D

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#451733 - 04/17/06 02:39 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

\:D \:D \:D \:D \:D
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#451734 - 04/17/06 02:48 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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I demand a recount.

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#451735 - 04/17/06 04:25 PM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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No recounts!

However, I do plan to count the notes in a MIDI file of the work I found.

I expect, though, that the MIDI file will contain many MORE notes than is correct - remember a MIDI file will count every note of a trill, so while we counted trills as 2 notes, a trill in a MIDI file could be anywhere from 4 to 100 notes depending on the length of the trill.

If the MIDI number is within a decent range, though, I'll call our project a smashing success!

Thanks to all who undertook the project, this was fun!

- K
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#451736 - 04/18/06 11:16 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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Can't we just google and try to find it \:\) ?
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#451737 - 04/23/06 11:17 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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An amazing result. Not the number, but that Kreisler could get you guys to count them all.

In average around 15 notes per second then - sounds reasonable.

Next question: How many notes did Rachmaninoff write in his life?

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#451738 - 04/23/06 11:24 AM Re: Piano World Rachmaninoff 3 Project
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 Quote:
Originally posted by troglodyte:

Next question: How many notes did Rachmaninoff write in his life? [/b]
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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