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#1233509 - 07/18/09 05:16 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
Evolver Offline
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Registered: 01/29/08
Posts: 2
Loc: Paso Robles, California
HI - did you get my first post - not sure I did it correctly.

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#1234348 - 07/20/09 04:02 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
J Cortese Offline
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Registered: 07/20/09
Posts: 357
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Hello -- a newcomer to the board here. Standard story, I suppose. I began studying when I was 10 and continued for a decade, which was good grounding. No shortcuts or "methods," just a very, very good teacher that didn't cut corners and a musical family. I grew up with classical and opera all over the place since my mom had been a pretty advanced violinist before I was born and my dad an opera lover who knew the Victor book backwards and forwards.

Went into academics, got distracted with an MS in Physics that I now regard as useless. :-( Then, into industry and working for a living in a pianoless existence. (I've cursed having chosen the least portable instrument in the world after a pipe organ many times. It's got its advantages, though.)

Until recently, I didn't even realize that digital pianos existed, which makes me feel very silly. I always associated "electronic keyboards" with those hideous, mushy cheap things that you could fit under one arm that were extant in my youth. It was about fifteen years ago that I sat down in front of a good one and found out that they had weighted and velocity-sensitive keyboards that felt like proper pianos. AND headphones, so you can play to yourself, in an apartment!

And lately, I've gotten back into classical music and opera in a serious way, although I never really got out of it. And it's starting to bother me at a noticeable level that I don't have a piano anymore.

I was of course into Chopin when younger; I have big hands. Joplin also (this was the mid 70s), and to judge from other people here, I'm not the only person to be struck by their similarity in technique. :-) I still love ragtime and want to get back to it, but honestly, my tastes are really widening well beyond standard piano fare. I'm listening to "Con rauco mormorio" and "Furibondo" (Baroque opera) and my fingers are itching. Good contemporary stuff is making my hands twitch, too -- I can't even listen to Billy Joel and Journey without my hands twitching, and a lot of that stuff is a lot better than most people think.

I'm planning to save and buy a Clavinova CLP-something in a post-Christmas sale, a good piano replacement that's sturdy. I don't want anything light that's going to rock back and forth while I play it, and I don't need it to be able to sound like a UFO. I learned on an upright, so if it feels like that, I'm fine.

I'm just afraid to even sit down at one at this point, and I used to be so damned good. From advanced, I've decayed back into rank newbie, I think. People here have said that if you want to "test drive" a DP that you really have it through its paces, but I can't even play anymore. I cringe at the idea of sitting down in front of anything without headphones in. I really cannot play a thing anymore. *sigh*

I guess I'll end up picking up a Clav CLP380 or thereabouts and just set my jaw and pound my way through enough arpeggios to fill the Grand Canyon, then pick up the old exercises that I still have (I've got all my old sheet music still), start picking through the Clementi sonatinas that I learned early on, then work my way from there.

Anyhow, nice to be here. I'm nervous about getting back to it, but sick and tired of listening to everything from Henry Purcell to Haendel to Scott Joplin to Steve freaking Perry in my car and having my fingers itch. For now, it's time to start saving money and then, come January, looking for half-off sales.

Other particulars: I'm 43, a geek, in southern California, a handcrafter, obviously an opera nut, and love math and languages. English, French, Welsh, Middle Egyptian, and ASL are my babies. Oes na rywun yma sy'n medru'r iaith Gymraeg?

Obviously, I also run at the mouth.

Back to lurk-mode ...
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#1235260 - 07/22/09 09:17 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: hudduk78]
Lycanthrope Offline
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Registered: 07/18/09
Posts: 9
Hi folks

I'm Dave - English, married to a Dane, living in Brussels, Belgium

I gravitated here as I was in the process of researching to buy a new digital piano for both myself and my little children to learn.

I'm 43 and play bass guitar in a few bands, have messed with synthesizers over the years, but always had the desire to learn piano and music theory.

I mostly listen to progressive rock and classical - Xavier Scharwenka is undoubtedly my favourite classical composer for piano.

#1237570 - 07/26/09 11:01 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: J Cortese]
ruprakt Offline
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Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 71
Loc: Massachusetts
Welcome to the forum! I've just decided I've been here long enough to start welcoming new members. Good luck with the itchy fingers. The only way to start back up, is to start back up. It may take a few months, and it may be frustrating at times, but you'll be quite glad you did it in the end. As you were once advanced, your progression from newbie shouldn't take too long. Hope you enjoy your journey along the way!

#1238750 - 07/28/09 09:28 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
Ganddalf Offline
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Registered: 07/28/09
Posts: 1018
Loc: Norway
Hello everyone!
I just got my user profile approved on this forum, and hope that I'll get some interesting tips and information here.
I'm a senior amateur player from Europe. Having a job within the field of applied mathematics, I find music (and particularly piano playing) to be an excellent hobby.
Occasionally I participate in concerts, mostly as an accompanist, but this is on a small scale in a small town.

I presently don't have space for a grand piano, so my instrument is a Kawai, K3. For many years I have been a die-hard acousic player, but I'm now seriously considering to also acquire a digital piano. This will give me more opportunity to practice. Moreover I'm interested in composition, and would really like to explore the options of a midi output combined with e.g. Sibelius software.

I mostly play classical music, from Bach and Scarlatti to Shostakovich. I dont' have the technique for the most difficult pieces, but prefer to select music that I can perform reasonably well. Maybe I can get some hints here about how to improve further.

#1239667 - 07/29/09 01:37 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Ganddalf]
Chopin4life Offline
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Registered: 07/27/09
Posts: 194
Loc: UK
Hi everyone.

I recently decided to create a profile on these forums after a few weeks of browsing.

I started the piano about 8 years ago, and have played without stopping for the whole 8 years (i.e. I've had a teacher for the whole time), but it wasn't until recently that I really got into the piano. I was thinking about canceling lessons until about a year ago, I discovered Chopin, and since then, I've been hooked and am progressing quite well.

I hate performing so I play the piano only for my own benefit, and for family. I would never consider entering a competition because of this (and because I don't believe I'm good enough)

I have a yamaha CLP-170. Its good, but its not quite the same as an upright and, obviously, a grand, but its adequate enough for me. I'd love a grand piano, but unfortunately I don't have enough space or money for one. One day...

Anyway, I look forward to reading all the useful tips on the forums, and maybe giving some of my own few.
"Simplicity is the highest goal, achievable when you have overcome all difficulties." - Frédéric Chopin

"Hats off gentlemen, a genius!" - Schumann on Chopin

"Chopin is the greatest of them all, for through the piano alone he discovered everything" - Debussy on Chopin

Venables & Son 152

#1242274 - 08/02/09 09:59 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
keydancer Offline
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Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 27
Hi :)I'm "keydancer" from Canada. I love music. It's just satisfying to be able to make music. I've wanted to play piano ever since I was little, but never started until I was 8. I've been playing for around 7 years with 2 different teachers, I switched to a new teacher about 2 years ago. Currently I'm in Gr 8 RCM (exam is coming up soon!).
Some of the pieces I'm studying:
French Suite no. 2 in C Minor: Air by Bach (I've been listening to many French Suites recently)
Sonata in D Major: First Movement Opus 12, No.3 by Arnold (toughest out of all my exam pieces for me)

Over the summer, while practising for my next exam, I've been enjoying and getting into piano more and more.

I'm a huge fan of Bach and Beethoven, and mostly play classical music, but I enjoy many different genres of music. Whatever I like to listen to, basically.
I have a Yamaha U3 piano at home. I'm not the best performer, and can get nervous even in front of the camera or at lessons. But that doesn't mean I'm any less interested in music.

My youtube channel is http://youtube.com/thinkgreenlovepurple
I don't have many videos, yet ;]

I hope to learn lots on these forums. I've been lurking for a while on here thanks to Google, and decided to join because this seems like an awesome place, hopefully it'll increase my interest in music.

Edited by keydancer (08/02/09 10:00 PM)
“It's easy to play any musical instrument: all you have to do is touch the right key at the right time and the instrument will play itself.” ~ J.S. Bach

#1244509 - 08/06/09 06:57 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
BreakneckWalrus Offline
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Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 18
Hello everyone. I'm 16 years old, 17 in two months. When I was younger, around 5 or so, my mom put me in piano classes. I hated it. I was... A bad student, to say the least. I complained I didn't want to play, and my mom took me out from the classes. To this day, I think her biggest mistake was listening to me. But oh well, you can't blame a mother for wanting her child to be happy.

A year ago, I was really into guitar and stuff, so I bought one of those. After a while, I realized it really, really wasn't for me. I stopped listening to stuff like metal and rock, and instead became more interested in piano. To be honest, I haven't really listened to much classical music yet. I've barely scratched the surface, with only Sonata Pathetique and some of Chopin's songs. I do like Chopin. =)

I'm a huge game nerd, and these days, games have better music, with actual effort put into it. So I'm also interested in transcribing some of my favorites to piano, something which I think I'll enjoy.

I sold the guitar a few months ago, and decided to get a nice, cheap keyboard; something that would do for practice until I became better. Living in Pakistan, it's kinda hard to find decent cheap ones. Even harder to find decent 88-key ones. But I'll get there eventually.

So I've started taking lessons, once a week. I've taken about 6 so far. I can read music now, and I know a few positions, though I've found when playing a song they don't really matter. I can tell the difference between a few key signatures. Basic stuff, but I hope to expand in the future.

So, there I am. =P
At first I was discouraged by the fact that most good players started at an early age, but I believe anyone can become great at anything if they only have the willpower. And seeing others here, who are adults, is very encouraging. Good luck everyone, and happy practicing!

#1245279 - 08/07/09 10:24 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
keyTHIS Offline
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Registered: 08/07/09
Posts: 61
ok.......here i am. frustrated 53 year-old geezer. can't read the bass clef (learned the treble playing guitar 40, yes 40 years ago). inversions? ha! there are thousands of them to memeorize......seems impossible. memorization works, but only so far.....let's say you want to do something different.

here is a posting i have placed at other forums on this site. any comments/suggestions welcome:

a professional piano player told me there are three ways to becoming a piano player:

1) memorize songs. i can memorize a song, but as i improve, i want to change it because it sounds too simple after a while. and if you are not constantly playing that song, you forget how you arranged it.

2) learn thousands of inversions and be able to play them instataneously. this seems impossible. there are THOUSANDS of these. how do these people do it? are they all genius's?
they've memorized the circle of fifths, and they can play ebm6 20 ways up and down the keyboard instantaneously. HOW DOES ONE MEMORIZE EVERY NOTE OF EVERY CHORD AND BE ABLE TO PLAY IT INSTANTANEOUSLY 20 WAYS UP AND DOWN THE KEYBOARD?

3) become a fluent music reader. this at first seems to make the most sense, but every time i play a piece of music, the arrangement is less than satisfying. it never sounds like the record.


#1247079 - 08/11/09 03:10 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
Apsara Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 13
Loc: Vancouver, Canada
Hello everyone! I'm Apsara, from Vancouver, Canada. (It's pronounced up-sarah)I've been lurking around as a guest for a while now, and finally decided to join in. After all, I don't know anybody, besides my teacher, with whom I can discuss piano. xD

In a nut shell: I'm 15, started at 7. I'm not really following the RCM levels anymore, just playing whatever I feel like, always aiming for challenges.... Passed RCM exams 5 and 8, might study for level 10.....but I really hate exams, because of the theory and scales. I suck at theory. I don't think I scored higher than 73 on my Rudiments 2 exam.

Last December, I started a huge piece for me, the ever-so-overplayed Liebestraum. Took me about two and a half months to finish, then spent the rest of the time, until the June recital, polishing it. As a result, my sight reading skill increased dramatically, and it has only been getting better ever since.
I managed to impress a few people at the recital, but I'm still not really satisfied with that performance.

Now I'm working on Chopin's Ballade no. 1. Started it in the beginning of May, and now I'm sloooowly getting through the coda. I've been focusing on accuracy rather than speed, and I think I'm starting to grasp it. It's my summer project to finish this ballade, or at least a good chunk of that warhorse of a coda... It's the only part that really made me stop and pay attention.
From what I've read here, people are saying that it should take at least a year for an amateur to learn the piece. Like, "God, don't even think about it! You'll never play it right!!!"
I don't see the problem, really. I've only been playing it over three months, and I'm almost done. Of course, it's far from being mastered, but I don't feel as if I should give up just because I'm not a pro. The only piece I've ever stopped learning because of difficulty was the Heroic Polonaise.

Asides those two milestones, I've also learned half of Revolutionary etude. I kinda got sick of it after a while, that's why I stopped. I'll definately get back to it someday... I used to play the first movement of the Pathetique sonata really well, but now my left hand can hardly get past the tremolos.

.......Reading this post, I feel like such an average student. All the pieces I've mentioned are just so.....cliche. But still, it doesn't mean they aren't great pieces. My teacher said they're good to start with, when it comes to "big" stuff.

My dream pieces are:
- Piano concerto no. 2
- Scherzos no. 1 and 2
- Heroic Polonaise
- Grande Polonaise Brillante
- Ballades no. 2 and 4
- Nocturne op. 48, no. 1
- Nocturne op. 9, no. 1

- Piano concerto no 1
- Entire Pathetique sonata
- Tempest sonata
- Sonata op. 2, no. 3

- Sonata no. 2 in G Minor

- Partita no 2 (Already finished Allemande, learning the Sinfonie)

#1248506 - 08/13/09 01:14 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Apsara]
nanabush Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 15
Loc: Canada
Hey everyone!

I've been on the 'pianostreet' forum since 2005, and have found it's getting kinda dead. There's quite a bit of reference to this forum, so I decided to make an account.

The day I joined the pianostreet forum back in 2005, I started taking my lessons seriously. I'm starting music performance next year at university.

I've done my performer's ARCT last year with the following pieces:
-Bach P/F in G major Bk1
-Grieg Sonata (complete)
-Brahms Rhapsody in G minor
-Ravel Sonatine
-Ginastera Danzas Argentinas
-Liszt Etude "Un Sospiro"

I also recently played this stuff at a competition:
-Bach/Busoni Toccata and Fugue in D minor
-Moszkowski Liebeswalzer
-Rachmaninoff Etude Op39 #6 in A minor (probably the most intense thing I've made myself learn)
-Debussy Suite Pour le Piano (complete)

Right now I'm learning these for when school starts in September:
-Bach P/F Bb Minor Bk1
-Haydn Sonata in E minor
-Chopin Nocturne Op48 #1 in C minor
-Rachmaninoff Prelude Op32 #12 G# minor
-Debussy Prelude "Le Vent dans la Plaine"

I'm really into Late Romantic and 20th Century music, and have huge ambitions to play the really big stuff from those times lol. Hopefully this forum will stay strong during my years at university, because I'll probably be logged in 24/7.

#1248532 - 08/13/09 01:59 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: nanabush]
Akshay Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/12/09
Posts: 17
Loc: Netherlands
Hi, I am Akshay, an amateur, 30 yrs old, living in the Hague, The Netherlands. I am pretty impressed by the young talents in this thread! (Not to mention envious)

I Started playing as a kid, but didn't get classical music until age 15, when I started practicing. Kept at it apart from some years abroad.

Currently learning Bach Partita 2 for a recital, and some Brahms Klavierstuecke. I the recent past I played a selection of Debussy Preludes, Granados' La Maja y el Ruisenor, Liszt Il Spozalizio, some Shostakovich Preludes & Fugues.

I hope to improve enough to master some big Beethoven Sonata one day, and more complex etudes and miniatures. Love the 3B's and Debussy most of all, but am always on the lookout for rare and beautiful gems!


#1248640 - 08/13/09 05:22 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Akshay]
Kanadka Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 34
Loc: Canada

I'm an absolutely beginner, started playing in May, taught myself using Alfred's level 1 All in one book, absolutely loved it. Finally decided it's time to find a teacher and really go for it. I do it for myself - kids go to sleep, I close the door and forget about everything else. (houshold work suffers as well as all otehr hobbies, but it's all worth it). I work full time and I have 2 young kids, so I'm really busy and dont' have enough time to prictice, but I do every day anyway, even if only for 20 minutes. Never played anything before, never thought I could - I love this country where any adult can play, and start at any age, whenever you like it.

I'm going to get a good digital piano for my birthday (November). I hope it'll be a Clavinova :))) and of course I'm dreaming of an acoustic, but with my practice time it's just not realistic. Will have to wait till the kids are older. I want them to learn too and I hope they will want to.

I think this forum is terrific. I've read Alfred's level 1 topic at least twice, all 86 pages of it. Too bad there is not much support for Faber book.

I've been lurking for a while and probably will not post much due to teh lack of time, but I really appreciate being a part of this wonderful community.

#1248800 - 08/13/09 10:10 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kanadka]
Riding_Hood Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 3
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Hello all,

I'm new here, too. I'm from Australia, started piano lessons when I was a kid, stopped them in upper high school. I did my grade 5 AMEB exam (there are 8 grades in total) before deciding exams weren't for me. I'd say I'm grade 6 level now (grade 5 is easy for me and grade 7 is pushing it).

I'm 24 now. Since leaving home five years ago I've barely played, but my dad bought me an electric piano for my birthday this year and I'm hooked again. Playing piano is such a great release -- almost meditative. Since stopping lessons,I always felt that I would never be able to improve, but perhaps that was all in my head. I suppose I'll just have to practice, practice, practice and find out!

Thanks for having me. This seems like a really fantastic community.

#1249607 - 08/15/09 02:07 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Riding_Hood]
Elizabeth_Bennet Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 147
Salutations everyone!

I'm a Canadian who spends way too much time at the piano, reads voraciously (especially Jane Austen!), and enjoys writing. I just finished my Grade 10 RCM in June (managed to get a mark of 91), and am currently working on ARCT pieces:

Toccata in d minor BWV 913 - J.S. Bach
Sonata in A major - L. Beethoven
Nocturne in D-flat major, op. 27 no. 2 - F. Chopin
Abegg Variations - R. Schumann
Prelude op. 23 no. 6 - S. Rachmaninoff
Etude Op. 25 no. 7 - Chopin

In September I'd like to start Liszt's "Gnomenreigan". Needless to say, the rest of my summer will be spent frantically practicing Hanon and other finger exercises to improve their dexterity!

I started piano lessons at age four, and I hated it. The piano was the nemesis of my childhood, and I delighted in drawing huge pictures of pianos with giant fangs swallowing up innocent little children. I was forced to practice every day, and I longed for the day when I would be allowed to quit.

Fortunately, I actually started enjoying music at about age 12, and I've loved it ever since...

I've been really enjoying the fascinating discussions in this forum, and I'm looking forward to participating in them myself!

#1249978 - 08/15/09 07:32 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
oldstarter Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/26/09
Posts: 3
Loc: Pacific NW
Hi, Just found the site in the past few months and decided to join up. My username is a bit of a misnomer. I learned to play piano as a child, but was taught by a lounge pianist, so learned some fundamentals - John Thompson books 1-4, but pretty much how to read a melody line and play chords. I never studied classical. My wife and I have attended the President's Piano Series at Meany Hall in Seattle for twenty five years. I always wanted to play some of the pieces I heard. Three years ago, and almost 60, I decided to act. Its difficult to find a teacher who will take an adult. My first one was not a good match. My current one is working out well. She's my age and she understands my limitations and goals. So, I get to choose about 1/2 of the pieces. She chooses others that are suited for the lessons she feels I need. I picked Schubert Impromptus (Op 90 - 3&4). She suggested a few Bach Inventions and recently the Debussy Arabesque. I picked Dance of the Blessed Spirits. She picked Beethoven Sonatas.
I'm not as flexible or nimble as a youngster so some technique is simply beyond me. But, I've set my bar at a reasonable height. I'll never sound like Radu Lupu playing Schubert, but I'm happy.
What I have missed is a good grounding in music theory. I struggle with unknown notations and for sure ornamentation. Simple things like her asking me to play 'legato pedaling' --- what's that? Then, trying to get me to do it. Hysterical with her on the floor trying to lift my foot up and down.
Anyway, I'll mostly lurk and hope I can learn. I might contribute here or there, probably a question. But, I do share our love for the piano and hope I can continue to play and practice more after I retire.


#1250369 - 08/16/09 04:07 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
Julian_ Offline
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Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 798
Loc: London, UK
Hi Piano World!

After learning classical piano from age 8 to 17 and playing regularly for a few years after that, I lost touch. I've lived with a piano most of the years since then but, partly due to laziness and partly due to being busy with other things, I've only dabbled. Gratifyingly, I've noticed my reading and technique improving gradually over the years, but I've reached the point where there are some great works I'd like to be able to perform, and the required quantum leap in ability isn't going to happen without a lot of regular practice! Also, reading here about Van Cliburn 2009 and then watching some of the wonderful performances on cliburn.tv (Zhang's Scarbo = wow; haven't seen any of the concerti yet) has reinfected me with the classical piano bug.

So here I am, approaching the big Four-Oh, and I'm going to be a (part time) piano student again. I've picked out works for the DipABRSM and I'll be seeking a local teacher soon and see how it goes. yippie

(Used to post as SlatterFan)

#1251672 - 08/18/09 10:17 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Julian_]
scherzetto Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/17/09
Posts: 40
Loc: Canada
Hi, everyone! I'm glad to have finally joined the Piano World Forums after making occasional forays here (Google searches often pointed me here). I used to be active on another piano forum, but that one has since shut down, so I'm looking forward to an exchange of creative ideas with the members here from all over the world. I've been playing piano for about 10+ years and don't ever plan to stop! This love of music led me to study it full time, and I will soon be starting university, studying composition. As a music student, it's great to have found a site like this where I can discuss the more detailed technical and aesthetic aspects of music with knowledgeable fellow musicians, and inspire and be inspired.

"Where words fail, music speaks." --Hans Christian Andersen

#1251690 - 08/18/09 10:52 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: scherzetto]
angelas Offline
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Registered: 08/01/09
Posts: 114
Loc: New Zealand (South Pacific, Do...
Hi everyone. My name is Angela and I live in New Zealand. I joined up with World Piano Forum a few weeks ago. Typical of me, I jumped right in and started making posts in the beginners' section from day one and have just found this thread. I only started playing at Christmas but must admit that piano is the most difficult thing I think I've ever attempted. However, I think that being middle-aged, you tend to put the effort into things that you wouldn't necessarily as a yougster, so hopefully my achievments so far are not in vain!

Oh yeah,,got two teenagers, 4 horses, a useless fat cat and a really dumb dog. Oh, and a pretty understanding and hen-pecked guy lurking around.
Behind every successful woman is some twit who's lost the remote....

#1251700 - 08/18/09 11:04 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: keyTHIS]
angelas Offline
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Registered: 08/01/09
Posts: 114
Loc: New Zealand (South Pacific, Do...
Originally Posted By: keyTHIS
ok.......here i am. frustrated 53 year-old geezer. can't read the bass clef (learned the treble playing guitar 40, yes 40 years ago). inversions? ha! there are thousands of them to memeorize......seems impossible. memorization works, but only so far.....let's say you want to do something different.

here is a posting i have placed at other forums on this site. any comments/suggestions welcome:

a professional piano player told me there are three ways to becoming a piano player:

1) memorize songs. i can memorize a song, but as i improve, i want to change it because it sounds too simple after a while. and if you are not constantly playing that song, you forget how you arranged it.

2) learn thousands of inversions and be able to play them instataneously. this seems impossible. there are THOUSANDS of these. how do these people do it? are they all genius's?
they've memorized the circle of fifths, and they can play ebm6 20 ways up and down the keyboard instantaneously. HOW DOES ONE MEMORIZE EVERY NOTE OF EVERY CHORD AND BE ABLE TO PLAY IT INSTANTANEOUSLY 20 WAYS UP AND DOWN THE KEYBOARD?

3) become a fluent music reader. this at first seems to make the most sense, but every time i play a piece of music, the arrangement is less than satisfying. it never sounds like the record.


Gees keyTHIS, I remember seeing something similar in the beginner bit. I reckon you're being too hard on yourself. Cripes, I've only been going a few months and the sight-reading bit is only JUST starting to take effect. I think that as we get older we want it all so quickly when in reality, it just isn't going to happen. Honestly, just take your time and enjoy the stuff you can do. I find the bass clef hard too and I'm sure we're not the only ones. If you check out the other posts in the beginner section, you'll see a heap of people in very similar situations (me included).
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#1252268 - 08/19/09 11:09 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
Jeremiah Jones Offline
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Registered: 08/15/09
Posts: 6
Loc: Utah
A friend of mine has been trying to get me to join this forum for a couple of weeks and I'm glad I finally did! My name is Jeremiah Jones. For those of you who enjoy listening to classical piano music I am the founder and artist on www.lisztonian.com where you can find an ever-growing number of FREE classical recordings. There are currently over 70 works available on the site and I try to add 1-3 new ones every month. I just released Mozart's Sonata in F (K 300k) and will soon be releasing another Bach Prelude and Liszt's "Hymn of a Child on Awakening", followed by some Debussy, more Bach, Mozart, and Chopin.

I also provide all of my recordings through a free iTunes podcast. Just search in iTunes for "lisztonian" or "signmypiano" or browse to podcasts->music->top podcasts (it is usually somewhere between #20 and #60).

Thanks for the great forum! I look forward to being a part of it smile
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#1252557 - 08/20/09 11:29 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
salmanmaqbool Offline
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Registered: 08/20/09
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in my intro i can say piano playing is my heart n soul.

#1255515 - 08/24/09 10:33 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
agreed Offline
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Registered: 10/23/08
Posts: 1
Loc: Brownwood, Texas
Okay, I'm a little reticent, but here goes. I am a 64-year old college music professor in Texas.

I achieved my life-long dream two years ago when I acquired my brand new Steinway Model O grand piano, and I still have to pinch myself every day when I sit down to play to be sure I'm not dreaming. The piano has beautiful tone, especially in the bass, and I've already spent many happy hours playing Chopin (Preludes, Waltzes, Etudes - s l o w l y, Fantasie-Impromptu), Brahms, Mozart, Beethoven, Debussy, among others. My grandmother was my first "teacher," having graduated from the St. Louis Conservatory of Music (I think it was called) in 1904, and she and I often discussed that some day I should have a Steinway. I am principally an organist, but I have renewed interest in the piano, and I have enjoyed "lurking" on this web-site for 6 months.

So now I did it: I spoke up!

#1257563 - 08/27/09 11:19 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
Cathy Shefski Offline
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Registered: 08/27/09
Posts: 16
Loc: NE Pennsylvania
Hello Everyone,

I'm happy to join in the great discussions that go on here.

I'm a pianist and teacher and mother to 3 teenagers. At the moment I teach approximately 40 students at my studio in NE Pennsylvania. After teaching for about 40 years, I've come to the conclusion that the students of this new generation (Gen Z) aren't going to be like any students I've had in the past. They flit from one thing to another, expect immediate results, and won't work if they are bored. So I've been trying to adjust my teaching by looking for that certain something that will spark an interest in each one of them. For some it's Chopin Preludes...for others it might be Billy Joel...others want to write their own pieces. As long as they practice their technique and learn how to be good sight-readers I try to encourage them going off to follow their own passion.

I love to blog about piano at AllPiano and about indie and vintage fashion at AllChic. And I'm very happy to be a part of this terrific forum!

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#1258903 - 08/30/09 09:22 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
pianoluver222 Offline
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Registered: 08/27/09
Posts: 1
Hello I'm another new member!
I first started piano lessons when I was in fourth grade. I grew up listening to my dad playing guitar and singing. I have always loved music and i got my first piano in third grade it wasn't the greatest it was just your average upright and two years ago I got a digital baby grand. In fifth grade I played in the school band and I played the clarinet. In sixth grade I taught myself how to play flute and in seventh I taught myself how to play sax. And it has been my dream to go to a magnet school. It is my dream to go to Walnut Hill in Boston Mass. If any one has any tips to become a better piano player I would be very greatful! smile

#1261349 - 09/02/09 09:25 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: hudduk78]
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Registered: 08/24/09
Posts: 244
Loc: CT
Hi, my name is Marco. Growing up I had a Lowrey Organ in the house. I knew three cords, C, F, & G. I would play very simple melodies with these cords. I didn't go much further with my music (not counting the trombone in band, which I quit in 8th grade because I didn't like the teacher) until about 19. At 19 I asked for a keyboard for Christmas and received one. I began to teach myself and listen to a lot of classical music. One problem I would have it that at the time I was in the Coard Guard and every time I would start getting good at a song, I would have to go out to sea for two months. By the time I came home most of what I learned was lost. I did purchase a pretty nice Roland DP while in the guard. I don't remember the model but I still have it wrapped in plastic in the attic. When I got out of the guard I signed up for piano lessons. I find an older gentleman that taught "popular" music, which is basically rag time in my opinion. I kept going to him because his prices were very affordable and I didn't make much money at the time. He really pushed memorizing music and we also worked from Fake book. I became pretty good with chords, inversions, and fill ins. I was never that good at reading music. Fake music wasn't too bad but some more complex songs would still be difficult for me. After about two years I stopped taking lessons to go to college. I never stopped playing though. Having said that, I haven't learned many new songs either. A couple, but not many. I have recently gone back to lessons. This time classical, which is where my heart always was. I am focusing on reading music. I've only been back to lessons for maybe two months, and have already learned a lot. Its fascinating learning piano from two approaches. I have a long way to go, however, and reading the postings on this site can be very humbling and intimidating. But at the same time I think this site is a powerful tool for all of us. I have two small children now and plan on finishing my basement soon, which will become their play area. When that happens I will pull the Roland from the attic and set it up down there for them so they can hopefully follow in my foot steps and become much better than I'll ever be.

#1263377 - 09/06/09 10:12 AM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: MrHazelton]
Debbie86 Offline
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Registered: 08/20/09
Posts: 3
Loc: Arizona
Hello all

i'm Deborah (debbie for short) and im 23 from tempe arizona. im currently a beginning and intermediate piano teacher at a wonderful studio. teach as young as 4 to seniors....i love my job smile

ive been playing piano since i was 5 (i've played violin and drums also, but piano is my passion) i'm classically trained
and going (though i'm on a short break) to school for music performance. i have tried jazz....cant play jazz (lead sheets make me nervous...i really i cant think of chords that quickly)

since last october i am without a teacher. my long time teacher and mentor retired, this was also around the time i moved out of my parents house and living with my boyfriend and three other people doesn't make for easy practice...plus i don't have a keyboard and the parents have my piano. so i practice at the studio when i can.

currently in working on Beethovens Moonlight sonata 3rd movement, Debussy's etude no 1 in c major....and whatever else i have handy.

i love experimental piano...john cages works for prepared piano, charlies ives sonatas, and what is commonly refered to as noise music....

outside of my love for classical (which btw Liszt and debussy are my favorites) i go to a lot of heavy metal concerts (lamb of god, slayer, gojira) i also listen and love more than anything to punk music...mostly 70's punk but i love all kinds. i also, like mentioned before, love noise and experimental music...

i'm currently working and a piano and stings interpretation of dostoevsky's the brothers karamozov.

well enough about me....

#1263466 - 09/06/09 12:56 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Kreisler]
Teclasgirl Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/06/09
Posts: 15
Loc: Madrid, Spain
I've been lurking for some months an I`m a new member now.
I'm a High School music teacher and a pianist and I think this is a very friendly and helpful web.

Thank you

#1264316 - 09/07/09 11:02 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: Teclasgirl]
MeowR Offline
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Registered: 09/04/09
Posts: 30

I'm PJ, a college student right now at 20. Recently switched from a Music Major to Computer Engineering (complex). I've been playing guitar for about 9 ish years now, some lessons in theory, but mostly self taught (not very well). I'd like to think I have a decent ear for music, I sing (taking voice lessons for the first time, been singing before that though, nice to fine tune it), I can play simple beats on a drumset, enjoy my cajon, and have not the slightest clue of anything on the piano but the names of the notes. *phew, run-on*

I just started a beginner's piano class, and I think I'm liking piano a lot more than the guitar. I need a break from my guitar, and though I'm terrible at it, the piano is a lot of fun, and I'm very motivated to practice. (Bought "The Piano Handbook" by Carl Humphries today because I wanted a book to give me exercises, without babying me with music, because I don't need to be babied (not so much, I hope.)

I just bought a Casio PX 130, can't wait for it to arrive. The few days that I had the PX 120 digital piano, I wasn't able to sleep before 4 or 5 AM, AND didn't touch my computer games. That's pretty amazing.

It seems like most of the people here have past experience with the piano. I am a noob. I look forward to kindly bugging you and learning from you here at pianoworld. =)
Casio PX 130 - YAY!
Piano noob

#1264321 - 09/07/09 11:30 PM Re: New Visitors and Lurkers Please Read... [Re: MeowR]
mstrongpianist Offline
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Registered: 09/07/09
Posts: 38
greetings all,

i've been playing piano for 26 years now and teaching for 13, but dont let the numbers mislead you regarding my age. i am younger than there are days in a month!

the rich textures and harmonies of 19th century romantic composers is where lies my passion at the piano. currently im reviving chopin's ballade no.4 which i put aside during my maternity leave. this piece i desire to put on the faculty recital scheduled february 2010- which is plenty of time to reanimate this piece!

i look forward to the exchange of ideas at pianoworld,


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