Im looking for a romantic peice that I can really use as a tool to help incorporate more feeling into my music. My teacher tells me that music is more than just notes, and I really need to put moe of "me" into the music and improve my interpretation...

So whats would be your favorite peice from a romantic composer? So far Im think Liszt's Liebestraum in A flat major..

I couldn't name just one [sic] "peice", obviously, or just 10 or even 100 or [sic]"moe".

[sic]"Im" going to, based on what I've read in your posts, make recommendations.

1. Don't play the [sic]"Liebestraum" unless you want to be the object of hatred of every pianist you encounter.

2. Bortkiewicz preludes are wonderful salon pieces of the highest quality which should not be too difficult for you. The Lamentations and Consolations would also be possibilities. They seem to be ideally situated at a level where they are rather playable and well-sounding.

LOL why would I be hated if I learned Liebesraum?

What are you indicating is the error here? If the plural "Liebesträume" (Love Dreams) refers to the three Nocturnes in the set - (3 Notturnos according to one CD booklet; 3 Notturni according to Groves) - is not each one a "Love Dream" i.e. Liebestraum (singular)?

Regards,

Exactly (only that the dots go onto the "a" in plural: Liebesträume). And regarding the piece itself, you would not have to fear hatred (nor anything close to that) from me. Popularity in itself does not make a piece bad. I wonder Dan what you dislike about it -- the sonority of the tenor melody in the beginning, or the charming little cadenza, or the grand reappearance of the theme in octaves, or the quiet coda?? I personally like all of it.

Yeah, count me in too, though the 2nd of the set is my favourite. But they're all great pieces to win women's hearts.

When it comes to romantic pieces I am a bit of a playboy...I keep falling in love with new pieces all the time. I remember being smitten by the Chopin etude op.10 #3 when I first heard it on the radio four years ago. That piece motivated me to sign up for classical piano lessons: I simply had to learn it. Then came Liebestraum #3 a couple of years later and suddenly I had a new love. Fast forward to this month and the current object of my affections: "Standchen", the Liszt transcription of the Schubert song. It is impossible to play it without feeling, even if you tried.

Why do you have to be so incredibly condescending & arrogant in your posts?

You honestly sound like a huge pompous donkey in every one of your replies. Why don't you take a chill pill and take that mightier than thou attitude somewhere else?

As far as attitude-free recommendations are concerned, I'd suggest studying some Chopin Nocturnes for that sort of goal, possibly Op.9 No.1 or his Posth one in C# minor.

if you really want something that is more emotionally involved play something by Rachmaninoff, Barcarolle or Berceuse by Chopin, some small pieces by Dvorak, or even a suite by Debussy (Pour le piano or Estampes). Sappy doesn't always mean emotional....keep that in mind.

This is a fairly formal forum. I thought that it was not much to ask for at least an attempt proper punctuation, capitalization, and spelling.

With regard to the subject matter, I had thought that there are many ignorant and ridiculous requests and questions here and I give them as straight of a response as I can. Perhaps the title was misleading, and I took that out of context. I should realize that there's a better way to respond to such queries.

Thanks for calling me out on it- I'll do better.

To BruceD, and the original poster, I apologize for my spelling error.

And, to respond with a few of my personal favorite, unknown gems:

Scriabin Etudes Op. 8 Nos. 5, 9,12-Bis, 65-3. Fantasy Op. 28

Szymanowski Variations on a Polish Song, Sonata #2

Rubinstein etudes

Joachim Raff Etudes

The Scriabin Fleeting Visions suggested above. I find the Chopin Mazurkas to be enjoyable to listen to(haven't played any of them though). They are very emotional. The op 40 Polonaises are also emotional, particularly 40-2)

Don't be too hard on yourself, Daniel. In a glass house, a pot is as black as a kettle.

Steven

these are some of my favourites
Balakirev - the lark
- 3rd Nocturne
- Toccata
Ravel - Miroirs suite
- Jeux D'eau
Liszt - Concert etudes s.145

and all of bortkiewicz, this would be a great place for you to start, much of his music is up for interpretation as not many people have recorded him.

Zac

Of course the umlaut goes over the a! I knew that! Duh! - as they say. Correction made. Thanks.

Regards,

You're welcome Bruce! The Umlauts are strange beasts...

The way I see it, it's not about being right all time time: it's about saying something constructive. The latter is easy, while the former takes some discipline.

Can you explain what the glass house has to do with the pot/kettle issue? Sorry .

Just another way of saying to consider the source:

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/7044.html

Dang, where's that "chill pill" when you need it?

Steven

How ironic is nitpicking about nitpicking about nitpicking? Honestly?

Mea maxima culpa. Honestly!

Steven

Does one mix a metaphor in a pot or kettle?

I'm very partial to Brahms op. 116 & op. 118.

They sound gorgeous in a glass house.

Chopin's Deux Nocturnes Op. 27 and Deux Nocturnes Op. 48 are very passionate pieces that are incredibly beautiful. It is also easy to tell when you are playing these piece mediocrely.

Mendelssohn's Lieder Ohne Worte are also spectacular.

My choice keeps changing too but presently I can't stop listening to the Szymanowski preludes as a whole - they are sooo beautiful...

Sinding's 'Rustle of Spring' is a lovely romantic piece - has rippling semiquavers in the right hand and an expressive melody in the left. Thats my suggestion

You clearly understood the meaning despite the abscence of an apostrophe and a couple instances of two letters being switched around. Considering that a huge lot of users aren't posting from countries that can count English as its official language, I find it inconsiderate to correct somebody's spelling & grammar in such a sarcastic & condecending way.

2 things :

- You don't *have* to respond to inquiries like this.
- If you do, I find it pointless to display an attitude when a simple & straightforward reply would be better... for everyone involved.

I appreciate you taking my comments to heart. I'm sure the original poster will be thankful and glad to notice the suggestions you brought in this post. And I'll check them out as well.

Don't kid yourself, sotto voce. Attempting to disguise your insults with indirect language doesn't change the nature of your intent.

And linking to a closed thread dating back to more than a month... really. You honestly think you're showing maturity with actions like this? *tsk, tsk* Your being unable to move on is sad... Let it go.

Right ... the way you're moving on?

I'm not kidding anyone, and I'm glad you got my drift. Rules of the forum don't permit me to act on my intent in a transparent fashion.

Steven

Oh please. Who linked to that thread? Get over yourself, Steven. It would be refreshing for you to stop acting in this hypocritical fashion.

You're as transparant as they come.

What happened, Strat? Did you read the thread called "No excitement here anymore ...." and decide it was your duty to stir the pot with your penchant for criticizing and policing other people's behavior?

If you need reminders of your antagonism, I could post some additional links if you'd like. How about the thread you started and got all bent out of shape when, after your questions were amply answered, people continued to talk amongst themselves and the spotlight was no longer on you—and then you denied that you were trying to control the conversation?

And what about that closed thread? I think you've failed to disclose that it was your own unrelenting combativeness and insults toward a moderator that got the thread closed. You took such offense to "stuffiness," even though "normal folks" like you "don't get offended easily." You even expressed your displeasure that people in a different thread had discussed visual imagery in music—even as you opined that "freedom of expression should be paramount, of course."

I hope I am being completely transparent, Strat—as transparent as that big, big glass house in which you reside. And I shouldn't wonder that you'd call me hypocritical, for there's a term that describes the attribution of negative traits to others that in truth you exemplify most: " projection ." Apparently, "the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest."

Now, let's see, you already labeled me an immature hypocrite. Surely you must think I'm a control freak, too!

Steven

Being long-winded doesn't equate to being right. If you're blind to your lack of maturity in being unable to let things go, I fail to see what could.

This thread was started to get suggestions. One member answered in a condescending manner for no reason whatsoever and I chimed in to show that this was unecessary... just like your posts in this thread which serve absolutely no purpose than to try to antagonise me. So here you are, waving your arms wildly, figuratively-speaking, trying to show others my failings while you end up looking pointlessly agitated.

I would have hoped that you had enough time to get over a disagreement that occured over a month ago. Clearly, I've made quite an impact in your life and you consequently need more time to get over last month's trauma. Might I suggest calling friends & family for counselling?

I hope I'm being equally clear that I'm done exchanging with you. Your failure to grasp my simple points make it impossible for me to have an intelligent conversation with you as they end with you spearheading some sort of anti-Strat propaganda. Are we back in high-school, now?

PW is more than big enough for people who don't get along to co-exist peacefully. It's up to you to either show people you're an adult by refraining from peppering threads I pop up in with your negtaive compaigning.

Dear lord. Take it PM already.

I will now and always be a sucker for the 4th Chopin ballade.

I personally find QFT more useful. It applies to membrane mechanics and allows us to solve problems at a larger scale than particle-particle interactions.

Or do you prefer Quantum Chromodynamics?

Cheers!

I just finished learning Rachmaninoff's B minor prelude, Op 32, No 1.
I love it. Very intense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mf9mMtzvqo

Sorry. That's No 10, not No 1.

You could (even without the orchestra) play the 2nd movement (Romance) of Chopin's F minor concerto.

Kathleen