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#462803 - 05/26/06 11:49 PM Haydn Concerto in D Major
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Allright, I just bought the music and a recording of it. In the first movement,(In the schirmer edition its the last two or three pages) I was listening to the recording and when it got to where it said cadenza the music seemed to no longer match up with the recording. Then they got back in sync with each other for the last line. Whats going on?
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#462804 - 05/26/06 11:56 PM Re: Haydn Concerto in D Major
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Maybe the pianist plays his own cadenza.

Which recording do you have?
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#462805 - 05/27/06 12:00 AM Re: Haydn Concerto in D Major
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Agerich
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#462806 - 05/27/06 12:08 AM Re: Haydn Concerto in D Major
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Look on the back of the CD case, or in the booklet. It might tell you in there.

According to this website,

http://home.swipnet.se/bjorn_ostlund/argerich_videography.htm

Argerich did perform this concerto with her own cadenza; I don't know if it is her cadenza on your CD, but I can tell you that performing one's own cadenza was (as I've read) a very common practice before 1800 or so, and even today musicians still sometimes play their own cadenzas (Andsnes plays his own cadenzas, for example, on the Haydn Concertos CD that I have; and Milstein plays his own cadenzas for the Beethoven violin concerto on the CD that I have; JazzyD also told me about a recording that he has of Hough playing his own cadenza for one of the Mozart piano concertos).
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#462807 - 05/27/06 12:22 AM Re: Haydn Concerto in D Major
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I bought it on iTunes so I can't look on the case, but do you know which recording has the written cadenza.
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#462808 - 05/27/06 12:37 AM Re: Haydn Concerto in D Major
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No, I do not know. I haven't heard Argerich play this concerto.

But... I'm pretty sure that Andsnes plays the written cadenzas for the Concerto No. 11 in D Major.

(According to the booklet from his CD, he plays his own cadenzas for concertos 3 & 4, and he plays Haydn's cadenzas for the D Major concerto.)
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#462809 - 05/27/06 12:47 AM Re: Haydn Concerto in D Major
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I don't have anything more specific to add to what PJ said, but it is not uncommon for there to be multiple cadenzas out there for a given concerto, or the performer may make one up on their own. I have the same issue with this same concerto (though I forget who the pianist is in my recording, I'm pretty sure it's not Argerich).
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#462810 - 05/27/06 03:13 AM Re: Haydn Concerto in D Major
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Haydn's cadenza for this concerto was rediscovered fairly recently, so either the recording or the sheet music may not have that one. If the Schirmers is Ganz's edition, then it is not Haydn's. I do have a recording of Ganz playing it somewhere. (The two recording of it I have are both Swiss-born pianist-conductors playing and conducting, Edwin Fischer and Rudolf Ganz. They each play their own cadenzas.)
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#462811 - 05/27/06 03:13 PM Re: Haydn Concerto in D Major
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I played this concerto many years ago. I used the Schirmer edition, which, at that time, used Ganz's cadenzas. My teacher had the Peters edition that had Haydn's cadenzas which I used originally. Later I wrote my own, which might work for you, too!
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