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#464378 - 11/25/07 07:49 PM
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If you like Shostakovich, I recommend his Prelude and Fugue #16 in b-flat minor, Op. 87. I would love to study these, but the rhythmic patterns in the Fugue are too complicated for me.
Or the Prelude and Fugue #10 in c-sharp minor, Op. 87
Or the Prelude and Fugue #12 in G-sharp Major, Op. 87
Or the Prelude and Fugue #24 in d minor, Op. 87.
It gave me enormous satisfaction to learn this year the Prelude and Fugue #18 in f minor, Op. 87.
Really, I think almost all of Shostakovich's Op. 87 pieces are worth exploring if you like his music and have the chops....
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#464379 - 11/25/07 07:51 PM
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I have some thoughts on this, but do you have any particular requirements for a piece, i.e., length, tempo, character?
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#464380 - 11/25/07 07:51 PM
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How about Shostakovich's Prelude Op. 34 No. 5? It's very light and toccata-like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLaHLuq_8aw
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#464383 - 11/25/07 08:35 PM
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The Khachaturian was OK, but maybe a bit too repeitive (I know, its a Toccata, so what do I expect  ). But I really like the Shostakovich sonata! It is just like his piano trios and orchestral works. Keep them coming! Has anyone worked on the Muczynski at all? I'm curious to see how it compares to these others.
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#464384 - 11/25/07 08:50 PM
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Ok then, here are some recommendations off the top of my head:
Bartok: Two Romanian Dances Op. 8A (I prefer the first) Dance Suite -- originally for orch., transcribed by Bartok himself, look especially at mvts. 2&3 (nice pair) and 5 Sonata -- outer movements Out of Doors -- last movement Mikrokosmos volume 6 -- Six Dances in Bulgarian Rhythm Allegro Barbaro -- I know, obvious...
Prokofiev: Sonata no. 2 -- last movement Sonata no. 3 -- one movement, 7 mins., highly recommended Sonata no. 4 -- last movement Sonata no. 6 -- first or last movement Sonata no. 7 -- last movement (overplayed but still very effective) Suggestion Diabolique from Four Pieces Op. 4 Sarcasms Op. 17
Barber: Sonata -- last movement
Ginastera (I know you have reservations but check them out anyway): Argentinian Dances -- last movement Malambo -- an effective "build-up" piece Criola from 3 pieces Op. 6 Suite de danzas criolas -- last movement (thrilling and D major-ish) Sonata no. 1 -- last movement (also thrilling A minor/major-ish)
Shostakovich: Sonata No. 1 -- one movement, about 11 minutes long, angsty but thrilling
Hindemith: Ludus Tonalis: Fugue in A or Fugue in G (both energetic) or Fugue in Bb (very funny, believe it or not!) Sonata no. 3 -- second movement (quirky scherzo) or last movement (thrilling fugue)
Debussy: Danse (very effective, but may not count since it dates from 1890) Masques Preludes book I: What the West Wind Saw, The Bells of Anacapri Preludes book II: Alternating Thirds, Fireworks L'Isle Joyeuse Etudes: For Mister Czerny, For Eight Fingers, For Fourths, For Octaves, For Chords Estampes: last movement (Gardens in the Rain)
Busoni: Prelude and Etude in Arpeggios Toccata
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#464387 - 11/25/07 09:01 PM
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One of Messiaen's Vingt Regards pieces, No. 6 is a good one that isn't too bad. (I believe I reccomended this before)
Alkan's Concerto for Solo Piano is also a fairly simple piece that is also great.
Good luck and have fun =)
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#464388 - 11/25/07 09:05 PM
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A few more:
Messiaen: Isle of Fire I & II from Four Rhythmic Studies (both are quite Bartokian) Les sons impalpables du reve and Un reflect dans le vent from Preludes
Ravel: Boat on the Ocean and Alborada from Mirrors Sonatina -- last movement Rigaudon from Le Tombeau de Couperin
Copland: Sonata -- middle movement (somewhat jazzy)
Gershwin: First and third of the Three Preludes
Khachaturian: Sonatina -- last movement Toccata from Ten Children's Pieces (different from the other more famous Toccata) Sabre Dance (originally for orch., transcribed by another hand for piano; orch. version is overplayed)
Stravinsky: first ("Russian Dance") of the Three Movements from Petrushka
P.S.: I've been editing this and my other post as I think of more pieces from the composers I've listed...
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#464389 - 11/25/07 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Morodiene: I really like the Shostakovich sonata! It is just like his piano trios and orchestral works. [/b] Shostakovich loved this sonata. He called it his "symphony for piano." 
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#464390 - 11/25/07 11:27 PM
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And just for fun:
P.D.Q. Bach (aka Peter Schickele): The Short Tempered Clavier (Preludes and Fugues in all the major and minor keys, except for the really hard ones) -- absolutely hilarious!
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#464391 - 11/25/07 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:  Gershwin: First and third of the Three Preludes[/b] What's wrong with the second one? Have a listen to the "George Gershwin's Songbook", too. Towards the end of his life he wrote down some improvisations on the choruses. William Bolcom's made a wonderful recording.
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#464392 - 11/25/07 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by pianojerome: Originally posted by Janus Sachs:  Gershwin: First and third of the Three Preludes[/b] What's wrong with the second one? [/b] Nothing at all. It's just that I didn't think it fell in the fast, rhythmic category that Morodiene had in mind.
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#464393 - 11/26/07 12:16 AM
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I like Robert Muczynski, but not his Toccata. I like his Six Preludes, Masks, Seven, and Desperate Measures (Paganini Variations).
I also like the music of Lowell Liebermann: Gargoyles, Three Impromptus, Four Apparitions, and most of the pieces from Album for the Young.
Other modern composers to consider: Francis Poulenc (Improvisations, Three Pieces), William Bolcolm (rags, etudes, or bagatelles), and Heitor Villa-Lobos (Bachianas Brasileiras).
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#464394 - 11/26/07 01:55 AM
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I've just played prokofiev's suggestion diabolique in performance and it's fun to play and learn, as well as a crowd pleaser. I would recommend it.
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#464395 - 11/26/07 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by Morodiene:  I do love Bartok, too. [/b] I am a big Bartók fan. I can ABSOLUTELY second the recommendation for the last movement of his Out of doors suite, The Chase. It's technically quite hard, but manageble. Also, the first movement, 'With Drums and pipes' is a great rythmic piece, easy yet impressive. By the way, the fourth movement 'The Night's Music' is absolutely fantastic, but probably not what you are looking for now. You can listen to first minutes of these pieces on Amazon, they are not on Youtube yet (wait till I have proper equipment  ). The outer movements of his Sonata are great. The first is quite difficult and has quite experimental tonality and extreme dissonances, maybe not your cup of tea. The last is more folksy, but is technically out of my reach. I recommend, go for the Out of doors suite! I can email you the score, so you can see whether you like it.
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#464397 - 11/26/07 09:34 AM
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I too have pdf's of some of the works I listed, so just let me know if you need them Morodiene. You can also find a number of scores at the following: http://vkgfx.com/scores/ http://www.pianopiano.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Category:Composers Let us know what piece you choose. 20th/21st century repertoire is so rich and diverse that any musical taste can be satisfied (which may surprise some).
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#464398 - 11/26/07 07:29 PM
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You might enjoy Pierre Sancan's Toccata or his toccata-like and very amusing Mouvement. There are videos of both on YouTube. I think Cazal's performance of the Mouvement is especially dazzling (and he was a student of Sancan's, I believe). Toccata http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilMLu27hajI Mouvement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHSg6j-oDdc wr
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#464399 - 11/26/07 07:42 PM
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I'd go for the Ginastera. Very good music.
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#464400 - 11/27/07 02:29 AM
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Prokofiev Tocatta op.11 is a brilliant piece! A rather difficult in the end... Also Prokofiev sonatas are quite nice. While everyone goes for No.8 I totally love No.7! It has a slow, very haunting begining, it is a "tiny bit atonal", (not academically speaking of course, it is Prokofiev after all), but goes into a fast middle section which is very impressive. 2nd movenent is slow, to the classical style of Prokofiev and 3rd is a fast scherzo. Ligeti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZTaiDHqs5s Etudes (No.13 in this recording). I find them a bit too technical (they are etudes after all), but... yeah. Messiaen as it's been mentioned before "Vingt Regards" are all amazing!
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#464401 - 11/27/07 06:32 AM
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Nikolas:  Also Prokofiev sonatas are quite nice. While everyone goes for No.8 I totally love No.7! It has a slow, very haunting begining, it is a "tiny bit atonal", (not academically speaking of course, it is Prokofiev after all), but goes into a fast middle section which is very impressive. 2nd movenent is slow, to the classical style of Prokofiev and 3rd is a fast scherzo.  [/b] Have you perhaps got your numbers mixed up? I thought that No7 was a more popular concert/audition piece, and the description you give fits No 8 better. E.g. the beginning of No7 ( allegro inquieto) is hardly slow... FWIW the 8th is also my favourite Prokofiev Sonata -Michael B.
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#464402 - 11/27/07 08:25 AM
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Debussy Preludes Book 2 - Brouillards Shostakovich - Prelude and fugue no.1 op.87 hmm, Does Joplin count as 20th century? 
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#464403 - 11/27/07 11:08 AM
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Michael B (PoStTeNeBrasLuX) (Christ it took forever to copy your forum nick). Yes I'm sorry. Mixed up!  Don't have the scores here in London. Isn't it an amazing sonata? (the No 8)
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