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#468283 - 11/14/07 12:37 PM
Re: My Chopin Nocturne Op. No. 48
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You're very assertive with your interpretation, good job.
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#468284 - 11/14/07 01:01 PM
Re: My Chopin Nocturne Op. No. 48
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I haven't listened to this piece for a long while, and I really enjoyed it! Thanks for getting me back into it... it's so beautiful. I think you have a very nice pace and feeling, and for the piano and recording quality, I was suprised with your sound.
Good Job!
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#468285 - 11/14/07 03:44 PM
Re: My Chopin Nocturne Op. No. 48
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Registered: 03/07/07
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Loc: Enebyberg Sweden
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Great, I especially liked the agitato/doppio movimento where I love the balance between the melody and the restless hammering (If you allow me this rather Bartókian If I may say what I would play differently, it is the first section, where I would refrain from any rubato. It is a funeral march after all, and you can't march (and bear a casket) to a wiggly rhythm.
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.. it seems to me that the inherent nature [of the piano tone] becomes really expressive only by means of the present tendency to use the piano as a percussion instrument - Béla Bartók, early 1927.
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#468286 - 11/14/07 07:58 PM
Re: My Chopin Nocturne Op. No. 48
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Originally posted by Robert Kenessey:  If I may say what I would play differently, it is the first section, where I would refrain from any rubato. It is a funeral march after all, and you can't march (and bear a casket) to a wiggly rhythm. [/b] I have never thought of the opening section of this Nocturne as a funeral march, for me the melody is too much in the lyrical bel canto style with its wide-spread and embellished theme to lend itself - definitevly - to being considered a funeral march. I have never seen it refered to as such in anything I have read about this Nocturne. That is not to say that one shouldn't consider it as a funeral march if that is how one sees it, but I certainly don't see it as such. If there is anything march-like at all in this Nocturne, surely it's the second section, the first 14 measures of the poco più lento the C major section. Regards,
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#468288 - 11/15/07 07:03 AM
Re: My Chopin Nocturne Op. No. 48
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Originally posted by BruceD:  I have never thought of the opening section of this Nocturne as a funeral march, for me the melody is too much in the lyrical bel canto style with its wide-spread and embellished theme to lend itself - definitevly - to being considered a funeral march. I have never seen it refered to as such in anything I have read about this Nocturne. That is not to say that one shouldn't consider it as a funeral march if that is how one sees it, but I certainly don't see it as such. If there is anything march-like at all in this Nocturne, surely it's the second section, the first 14 measures of the poco più lento the C major section. Regards, [/b] Interesting comment. To put my view clearer: I view the first section as a duet of a (funeral) march and a bel canto melody on top. Chopin wrote quite some funeral march-type sections and pieces, e.g. the fantasie op 49. His favortie Beethoven Sonata was one with a funeral march in it. One reference to this nocturne's start as a funeral march is by Angela Lear. I think the più lento section is rather a chorale.
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.. it seems to me that the inherent nature [of the piano tone] becomes really expressive only by means of the present tendency to use the piano as a percussion instrument - Béla Bartók, early 1927.
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#468290 - 11/16/07 10:18 AM
Re: My Chopin Nocturne Op. No. 48
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OK, I agree the main feature of the first section is the Bel canto melody. But is there a chance you might be willing to consider, if only for a second, that the LH accompaniment of this section is 'march-like'? LH accompaniments come in different forms: chords, arpeggated chords, waltz-type broken chords, alberti basses  , scalar runs (Revolutionary étude, and later sections in the fourth ballade). Could the LH accompaniment of the start of this Nocturne be 'march-like'? I think yes. Play the section without the RH melody and give the thought a chance.
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.. it seems to me that the inherent nature [of the piano tone] becomes really expressive only by means of the present tendency to use the piano as a percussion instrument - Béla Bartók, early 1927.
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#468295 - 11/17/07 03:39 PM
Re: My Chopin Nocturne Op. No. 48
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Registered: 02/19/07
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Originally posted by Celt:  I'm looking forward to seeing your video but... where's the link? In the meantime, have you seen this thread? [/b] I've seen your video and your effort is very commendable, if I may say so , as someone who's struggling to learn this masterpiece 
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