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#471152 - 04/28/05 11:51 AM The Pronunciations Thread
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Im always embarrassing myself in front of my teacher, when I try to pronounce musical names or terms, so I thought it would make a good thread to sort out all the pronunciations of various musical terms and names that you are curious about.

To start off here are some I dont know:

Scherzo (is it Skertso or sherzo)
Richter (same sort of thing, is it Rishter, or Rickter)
Cziffra (ziffra?)
Appassionata (Appassion-yata?? sort of spanish-like?)


I remember a couple years ago when I first started to play Chopin and I pronounced it exactly how it is spelt (Chop - in) and I didn't understand why my teacher was laughing at me, and now I realize that I wouldve reacted the same way. \:D

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#471153 - 04/28/05 12:02 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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As always, I could be wrong. But here's how I pronounce these:


Scherzo: "Skertso"

Sviatoslav Richter: "Shvee-ah-toe-slauv Rickter"

Gyorgy Cziffra: "Your-gay Chiffruh"

Appassionata: either "Uh-pashin-ahtuh" or "A-pashee-own-ah-tuh"
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#471154 - 04/28/05 12:04 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Scherzo = Sker - tzo
Richter = Rick - ter, but with a soft ck, as in the German pronoun "Ich"
Cziffra = Tchee - fra (or Tchi - fra : i as in "if")
Appassionata - Ap - pas - sion - a - ta, no Spanish 'nya' sound
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#471155 - 04/28/05 12:53 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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I thought scherzo was "sherzo"?
Chopin is "shopang" right?
And I have this weird thing with saying "beat"hoven even though i know that not right :p

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#471156 - 04/28/05 12:57 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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How about Dvorak??
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#471157 - 04/28/05 01:18 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Dvorak -- devorzhack

a couple more - at least how i learned them from my teacher

Gilels - Gillez
Czerny - Churney
Horowitz - Horovitz
Rzewski - Zevski

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#471158 - 04/28/05 01:19 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Show-Pan.

Dvorjsh-ahk

 Quote:
Gyorgy Cziffra: "Your-gay Chiffruh"
LOL....childish I know.
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#471159 - 04/28/05 01:27 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Gilels - Gillez
[/QB][/QUOTE]

Do you mean Gillelz?

Or is the last 'l' silent?

And his first name: "Eh-mill" or "Eh-meel"?
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#471160 - 04/28/05 01:29 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Requiem Aeternam:
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Gyorgy Cziffra: "Your-gay Chiffruh"
LOL....childish I know. [/b]
Yeah, you have to put the accent on the right syllable.

"YOUR-gay CHIFF-ruh", not "you're-GAY, Cziffra".
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#471161 - 04/28/05 01:37 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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I mispronounced Liszt at first, I would say "Least" instead of "List".

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#471162 - 04/28/05 01:41 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Yeah that was another one I was wondering about. So it is "List" then. I usually say "least" too...

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#471163 - 04/28/05 02:21 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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It's "List".

"Horovitz" is one pronounciation. In English, however, it is pronounced "Horwitz". I'm not sure which he preferred, anyone know?

Saint-Saens is one I had trouble with at first. I read it and though it was "Saint-Say-ens"... Now I know better.
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#471164 - 04/28/05 02:22 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Originally posted by C.V. Alkan:
It's "List".

"Horovitz" is one pronounciation. In English, however, it is pronounced "Horwitz". I'm not sure which he preferred, anyone know?

Saint-Saens is one I had trouble with at first. I read it and thought it was "Saint-Say-ens"... Now I know better. [/b]
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#471165 - 04/28/05 02:31 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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how about Bach? i heard many pronounce it as "Bark".

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#471166 - 04/28/05 02:50 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Victor Borge, in saying the name "Bach" always coughs at the end. ;\)

Pronouncing Saint-Sans reminds me of the beginning of "Carnival of the Animals" by Ogden Nash:

Camille Saint-Saens
was racked with pains
When people addressed him
as "Saint Sanes."
He held the human race to blame
Because it could not pronounce his name.
So he turned with metronome and fife
To glorify other forms of life.
Be quiet please -- for here begins
His salute to feathers, fur, and fins.


pd

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#471167 - 04/28/05 02:51 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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I have been in America for almost 30 years, and I STILL haven't heard Bach pronounced correctly. It's prounounced like Nacht, Wacht, (without the "T" of course). Seems to be a very difficult sound to make for americans. Did you also know that the "v" in Beethoven is pronounced "f"?
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#471168 - 04/28/05 02:56 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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what's exact "cht" pronounced?

i actually can say Bach correctly, and i say it like "Bar-h(er)" without saying "er" much and "h" is on heavier side. i once asked a friend about it and he knew a little German.

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#471169 - 04/28/05 03:00 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Cht as in Nacht and Wacht sounds kind of like Nahrt and Wahrt with a VERY guttural R. Not the soft English R.
ACHTUNG!!!
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#471170 - 04/28/05 03:08 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Bach would be pronounced as in BACHtung :p

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#471171 - 04/28/05 03:09 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Yes. Now let me hear you say it!
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#471172 - 04/28/05 03:23 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Hum..
Chopin - Sho-pahn
von Weber - fon vaeber
Liszt - List (or Flizt ^_^)
Schubert - Shoo-Burt
Schumann - Shoo-man
Tchaikovsky - Chai-Cough-ski(?)
Rachmaninov - Rock-mahn(As in jamaican hey man)-in-off
Shostakovich - ...pass


Correct me if I'm wrong. I *am* American after all, which by the standards of many snooty europeans I've met, means I'm musically ignorant.

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#471173 - 04/28/05 03:29 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Yes, you're wrong in several places. But that does not mean that you are musically ignorant, just a bit "linguistically challenged". Nothing wrong with that. I still have problems with the word "refridgerator".
According to the marvellous pianist Leif Ove Andsnes, there is much more snobbery in American music society than in Europe.
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#471174 - 04/28/05 03:37 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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How do you pronounce feux follets?

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#471175 - 04/28/05 04:33 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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"feux" rhymes with "look" (with out the 'k')

"follets" - "foe-lay"


Shostakovich: "Shah-stuh-co-vich"

I once heard someone pronounce it as "Shus-TAH-koh-vich" !!!!

(He meant it as a joke, of course.)
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#471176 - 04/28/05 04:44 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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 Quote:
Originally posted by BruceD:
Scherzo = Sker - tzo
[/b]
I always pronounce it Skair-tzo. Wrong?
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#471177 - 04/28/05 04:48 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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I say both sometimes.


Here's some more:

Pianojerome: "Pee-ann-oh Jeh-rome"
Iamcanadian: "Eye-am-Cuh-nay-dee-in"
Hepcat: "Hep-cat"
DaWF: "Duh-Dubya-Ef"
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#471178 - 04/28/05 05:34 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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No, iamcanadian; your pronunciation is correct; I just transliterated it inaccurately. The first syllable is pronounced as "scare"

This is where we need to be able to use the IPA. Of course, everyone would have to know the IPA for it to be any good, but these approximations of sounds by the use of the English alhpabet is somewhat approximate, at best.

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#471179 - 04/28/05 05:54 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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since someone mentioned, how do you say: Leif Ove Andsnes ("lef-oh-v-anderson")? he's going to play Rach 1 next month in Cleveland.

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#471180 - 04/28/05 06:00 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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Layf Ove Onds-nez.
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#471181 - 04/28/05 06:06 PM Re: The Pronunciations Thread
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how do you say "Ove" then?

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