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#473276 - 10/19/05 05:14 PM You Preferred Teacher
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If you could study with one great pianist, who would it be? They have to be alive as of today. They are all willing to teach you, but you can only have one.
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#473277 - 10/19/05 05:32 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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Not all great pianists are great teachers. And I am very happy with my current teacher. \:\)
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#473278 - 10/19/05 05:42 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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Perhaps Alfred Brendel or Vladimir Ashkenazy.
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#473279 - 10/19/05 06:04 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by DameMyra:
Not all great pianists are great teachers. And I am very happy with my current teacher. \:\) [/b]
Good for you DameMyra. Me too, I had only one teacher. He was one of a kind. One could not ask for more in a teacher.

Couldn't agree more with your statement regarding pianists may or may not be good teachers. Many, I do mean many great pianists are NOT good teachers. Some are not teachers at all. Period. However, of the ones that are not good teachers not all want to admit this is the case...

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#473280 - 10/19/05 06:05 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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"A great pianist is not necessarily a good teacher, but a good teacher has to be a good pianist."
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#473281 - 10/19/05 06:11 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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My first choice would be Leon Fleisher.

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#473282 - 10/19/05 06:13 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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Oh yes. Add Fleisher to my list. \:D

(Fleisher, Brendel, or Ashkenazy)
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#473283 - 10/19/05 07:43 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
"A great pianist is not necessarily a good teacher, but a good teacher has to be a good pianist." [/b]
There're quite a few exceptions. There're some excellent 'pure' teachers. Some don't play the piano themselves yet are very very good teachers.

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#473284 - 10/19/05 08:47 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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Fleisher, Brendel, Lowenthal, Hamelin, my last teacher (who unfortunately moved away).
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#473285 - 10/19/05 10:32 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by AndrewG:
 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
"A great pianist is not necessarily a good teacher, but a good teacher has to be a good pianist." [/b]
There're quite a few exceptions. There're some excellent 'pure' teachers. Some don't play the piano themselves yet are very very good teachers. [/b]
I dont understand this. We're talking about piano teachers. You say there are excellent piano teachers who DONT play the piano themselves? Please explain.
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#473286 - 10/19/05 10:59 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Siddhartha:
 Quote:
Originally posted by AndrewG:
 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
"A great pianist is not necessarily a good teacher, but a good teacher has to be a good pianist." [/b]
There're quite a few exceptions. There're some excellent 'pure' teachers. Some don't play the piano themselves yet are very very good teachers. [/b]
I dont understand this. We're talking about piano teachers. You say there are excellent piano teachers who DONT play the piano themselves? Please explain. [/b]
I've heard of gymnastics instructors not being actual gymnasts themselves but being actual teachers. But I've never heard of piano teachers teaching the piano without playing the instrument themselves. It's like martial arts: You have to be a martial artist to be a sensei/sifu/mestre/whatever.

But then again, you don't have to be an excellent pianist to be an excellent teacher. Though it helps.
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#473287 - 10/19/05 11:50 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by JosephS.:
I've heard of gymnastics instructors not being actual gymnasts themselves but being actual teachers. But I've never heard of piano teachers teaching the piano without playing the instrument themselves. It's like martial arts: You have to be a martial artist to be a sensei/sifu/mestre/whatever.

But then again, you don't have to be an excellent pianist to be an excellent teacher. Though it helps. [/b]
The Williams Sisters (tennis) were taught by their dad, who doesnt play tennis. He read books on how to play and taught them. This boggles my mind, because when you see the guy talk, you wonder how he managed to tie his own shoes by himself. And yet, pulled this off.

But I just cant imagine ANY musical lessons being taught by any non musician (or intrument specific). I just dont see how it could occur.

You're right, you need not be a great pianist to be a great teacher. In fact, most arent. There's an interesting question in itself. Who IS a great pianist AND a great teacher? Leon Fleisher comes to mind immediately. And the Lhevines? Cortot? But thats going back aways. How about today? I cant say I really know enough about the great teaching community to evaluate that.
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#473288 - 10/20/05 12:06 AM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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#473289 - 10/20/05 12:17 AM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Siddhartha:
 Quote:
Originally posted by JosephS.:
I've heard of gymnastics instructors not being actual gymnasts themselves but being actual teachers. But I've never heard of piano teachers teaching the piano without playing the instrument themselves. It's like martial arts: You have to be a martial artist to be a sensei/sifu/mestre/whatever.

But then again, you don't have to be an excellent pianist to be an excellent teacher. Though it helps. [/b]
The Williams Sisters (tennis) were taught by their dad, who doesnt play tennis. He read books on how to play and taught them. This boggles my mind, because when you see the guy talk, you wonder how he managed to tie his own shoes by himself. And yet, pulled this off.

But I just cant imagine ANY musical lessons being taught by any non musician (or intrument specific). I just dont see how it could occur.

You're right, you need not be a great pianist to be a great teacher. In fact, most arent. There's an interesting question in itself. Who IS a great pianist AND a great teacher? Leon Fleisher comes to mind immediately. And the Lhevines? Cortot? But thats going back aways. How about today? I cant say I really know enough about the great teaching community to evaluate that. [/b]
Well if every teacher was a great pianist then there would be alot of grandmother's (and old ladies in general) in the concert scene right now.

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#473290 - 10/20/05 12:53 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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Vladimir Shakin or Irina Morozova.

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#473291 - 10/20/05 01:48 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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I guess this is intended to mean classical
teachers, but I pretty much know what's
required for classical; however, popular/jazz/
country/rock/arranging, etc. is a major blank area
for me, and so I'd be more interested in
instruction in those areas, so someone
like: Herbie Hancock, Roger Williams, Paul
Williams, etc. (But all had extensive
classical training, and R. Williams in
particular still has formidable classical
technique, the equal of any concert pianist.)

And I could see where a non-pianist could
be an excellent piano teacher; for example,
a violinist or other string player (all
string players play the piano to some extent).

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#473292 - 10/20/05 02:30 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Gyro:

And I could see where a non-pianist could
be an excellent piano teacher; for example,
a violinist or other string player (all
string players play the piano to some extent). [/b]
But someone who plays the piano to some extent is NOT a non-pianist. I just cant see it. I cant even see your example, where a violinist could be an excellent piano teacher having only some piano background. I can see how he could teach the musical aspects, but SO much of teaching piano is about teaching technique. And it just doesnt make sense. IMHO.
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#473293 - 10/20/05 05:11 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Gyro:
(But all had extensive
classical training, and R. Williams in
particular still has formidable classical
technique, the equal of any concert pianist.)
[/b]
Roger Williams will be giving a 14 hour piano marathon at Steinway Hall on November 3 to celebrate the 5oth anniversary of his recording of Autumn Leaves.

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#473294 - 10/20/05 05:33 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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Loc: Haverhill, Massachusetts
 Quote:
Originally posted by Virginia:
My first choice would be Leon Fleisher.

Virginia (from Virginia) [/b]
A teacher of mine, named Virginia, studied with him and Alfred Brendel. She adores Mr. Fleicher, and is now disappointed in Mr. Brendel because of his brittle and fast playing.

If I had my choice, I would study with Beveridge Webster. I heard he was a fine musician as well as a super teacher. Sadly he just died couple of years ago. \:\(

John
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#473295 - 10/20/05 05:54 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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I don't understand how a good piano teacher could be a person who does not play the piano! How could they teach something they have no knowledge of themselves? :rolleyes:
Leon Fleisher might be a nice teacher. Or Lang Lang.
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#473296 - 10/20/05 05:58 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Contrapunctus:
I don't understand how a good piano teacher could be a person who does not play the piano! How could they teach something they have no knowledge of themselves? :rolleyes:
Leon Fleisher might be a nice teacher. Or Lang Lang. [/b]
Lang Lang has plenty more to learn yet, himself.
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#473297 - 10/20/05 07:42 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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This may be taking the argument out of context, but my current teacher Earle Voorhies is the best I've ever had. He's very elderly at the moment, too old to actually play my pieces himself, but he definately knows more about the instrument and teaching than anybody else. I just find it relevant that this Julliard grad can teach me so much more my last teacher, even though he can't physically play anymore.

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#473298 - 10/20/05 07:49 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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I think the problem is, too many great pianists forget that they are just that: great. Remember Chopin saying, "don't overexert yourself, 2 hours a day is more than enough." Not everyone has huge hands and exceptional skill like he does.

That being said, I agree with Ashkenazy. I suppose studying with one of the greats (Bach?) would be quite rewarding, but it might not be very educational.
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#473299 - 10/20/05 09:58 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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My teacher, Dr. Francisco Silva, in the Atlanta area. Stunning.

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#473300 - 10/20/05 10:47 PM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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i was hesitate to think of any great pianist to be my teacher (in my dream only, i know), but if i could, i'd want to choose either Lupu or Aimard!

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#473301 - 10/21/05 04:21 AM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by DameMyra:
Not all great pianists are great teachers. And I am very happy with my current teacher. \:\) [/b]
Very much the same here. I love my current teacher! He really is my dream teacher... Maybe it's because we had a very good lesson just now... \:D

I would be too ashamed to study with a great pianist - although I probably shouldn't be. But they would laugh at my technique the whole time!

Hi from South Africa
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#473302 - 10/21/05 08:57 AM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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leopold godowsky if he would be still alive.
or hamelin/glemser

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#473303 - 10/22/05 09:05 AM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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 Quote:
Originally posted by SinspawnAmmes:
I think the problem is, too many great pianists forget that they are just that: great. Remember Chopin saying, "don't overexert yourself, 2 hours a day is more than enough." Not everyone has huge hands and exceptional skill like he does.

[/b]
Actually Chopin had tiny hands and did tire very easily. The business about two (actually) three hours a day started as advice to one particular pupil who was getting really stale and sloppy. When he protested to Chopin that he was practicing six hours a day, Chopin told him that was way too much, that he was overpracticing and made he cut it down to three hours.
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#473304 - 10/22/05 09:37 AM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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For those who think a great teacher has to play the piano, read about Deppe--one of the greats of the 19th century, and how some who studied with him found him superb. Several records exist from those who studied with him and found him a fine teacher of piano even tho he was a violinist.

There are a number of those previously mentioned that I would NOT want to study with but John Citron mentions Beveridge Webster, a class mate of one of my teachers, so he could be an option but he's gone! \:\(

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#473305 - 10/22/05 09:48 AM Re: You Preferred Teacher
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Chopin's only formal teacher Zwyny (among other spellings) was primarily a violinst. He was a failed virtuoso, an elderly, eccentric, very likeable man who remained a family fixture in the household long after Chopin outgrew him. He may not have been an expect pianist but was an excellent musician. He taught Chopin theory and introducted him to Bach, who had not on the stature then that he has now. Zwyny also taught Chopin to play the violin, a skill he apparently let languish as soon as he could.
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