Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#476562 - 11/15/07 01:49 PM Porter's Beguine
btb Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 4261
Loc: Pretoria South Africa
Here’s Cole Porter’s "Begin the Beguine" (first 4 measures).



The notation does not convey the inherent beat of the Beguine ... which is contained in the rhythmic note pattern of C.G (rh).G.G .

The note durations to capture the Beguine beat should be
C (1/8-note), G (dotted 1/4-note), G (1/4-note), lower G (1/4-note)

Any thoughts?

Top
(ad) Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#476563 - 11/15/07 01:54 PM Re: Porter's Beguine
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 20748
Loc: Oakland
The only problem I see is that the last two quarter notes are Gs, not Cs, which is your mistake. Perhaps you should take this up with Señorita Nina, from Argentina.
_________________________
Semipro Tech

Top
#476564 - 11/15/07 02:03 PM Re: Porter's Beguine
btb Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 4261
Loc: Pretoria South Africa
Thanks BDB ... the last two are indeed Gs (corrected original).

Top
#476565 - 11/15/07 03:16 PM Re: Porter's Beguine
BruceD Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 17666
Loc: Victoria, BC
 Quote:
Originally posted by btb:
Here’s Cole Porter’s "Begin the Beguine" (first 4 measures).
The notation does not convey the inherent beat of the Beguine ... which is contained in the rhythmic note pattern of C.G (rh).G.G .

The note durations to capture the Beguine beat should be
C (1/8-note), G (dotted 1/4-note), G (1/4-note), lower G (1/4-note)

Any thoughts? [/b]
I think from the viewpoint of strict theory rules, you could not have, in common (4/4)time, an eighth note on the first beat followed by a dotted quarter; I believe it would have to be an eighth note on the first beat followed by an eighth note that is tied to a quarter. It produces precisely the same rhythmic effect, it just follows the rules of music notation - I think.

Is your quibble with Porter's notation the fact that the first note (C) is held, rather than being simply an eighth note? Otherwise, I've always felt that this notation captures the haunting rhythm of the beguine quite well - for those of us who don't have Latin blood flowing in our veins.

Regards,
_________________________
BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190 in satin ebony

Top
#476566 - 11/15/07 05:00 PM Re: Porter's Beguine
Kreisler Offline



Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13706
Loc: Iowa City, IA
Notation always approximates a style. It can never fully encapsulate it.

Given that, I think a person who knows a bit about the beguine would be able to decipher the style from the notation above.

The same is true of any genre or composer.
_________________________
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed

Top
#476567 - 11/15/07 07:44 PM Re: Porter's Beguine
bryan s Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 180
Loc: new york
Cole Porter wasn't exactly from south of the border either.
_________________________
John Coltrane saved my life.

Top
#476568 - 11/15/07 07:55 PM Re: Porter's Beguine
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 20748
Loc: Oakland
What do you mean? He was from Peru! \:\)
_________________________
Semipro Tech

Top
#476569 - 11/15/07 11:21 PM Re: Porter's Beguine
btb Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 4261
Loc: Pretoria South Africa
Delightfully vague Kreisler.

"Notation always approximates a style.
It can never fully encapsulate it."

It is stretching the bounds of reason to suggest
"Given that, I think a person who knows a bit about the Beguine would be able to decipher the style from the notation above."

In the Beguine example ... why can’t the note durations be accurately shown to fully capture the French West Indies beat?

The same is not true of any genre or composer ... Beethoven is spot on with his notation ... but then, of course ... he never wrote a Beguine.

Top
#476570 - 11/15/07 11:47 PM Re: Porter's Beguine
bryan s Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 180
Loc: new york
 Quote:
Originally posted by BDB:
What do you mean? He was from Peru! \:\) [/b]
:D That was a good one. It took a little outside research for me to get it though!
_________________________
John Coltrane saved my life.

Top
#476571 - 11/16/07 01:25 AM Re: Porter's Beguine
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 20748
Loc: Oakland
Did you figure out who Señorita Nina from Argentina is?
_________________________
Semipro Tech

Top
#476572 - 11/16/07 01:42 AM Re: Porter's Beguine
argerichfan Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/15/06
Posts: 8696
Loc: Pacific Northwest, US.
 Quote:
Originally posted by bryan s:
 Quote:
Originally posted by BDB:
What do you mean? He was from Peru! \:\)
:D That was a good one. It took a little outside research for me to get it though!
LOL, I "got it", but not after a moment of huh? Being very fond of Cole Porter, I have read several of his bios -one of them totally glossed over a rather major aspect of his private life- so the "Peru" thing fell into place fairly quickly.

As for Señorita Nina, well there's stuff in Google about that. Not the first time BDB has kept us on our collective toes.
_________________________
Jason

Top
#476573 - 11/16/07 02:46 AM Re: Porter's Beguine
btb Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 4261
Loc: Pretoria South Africa
You chaps are obviously not Beguiners (sorry about that) ... but I can't sit around here idly chatting ... must get to my deck-chair for the Pretoria-venue cricket test match ... NZ took a pasting in the first test ... we're hoping for a ding-dong 2nd test starting in less than an hour ... it's a bit early for a beer... but with the sunny temperature already on 27 degrees C it won't be long.

Top

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Download & Print Sheet Music Instantly
sheet music search
sheet music search

sheet music search
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
112 registered (accordeur, ando, Almaviva, 26 invisible), 1528 Guests and 22 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
74223 Members
42 Forums
153537 Topics
2250027 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
What is the strangest thing you have found inside a piano?
by That Tooner
04/17/14 11:18 PM
Kawai vs Ritmuller
by cromax
04/17/14 11:08 PM
Considering going into debt for a Steinway grand
by joonsang
04/17/14 10:38 PM
Best Glue for Damper Pads
by JMichaelWilson
04/17/14 10:07 PM
Went to the store and tried out lots of DPs
by lang15
04/17/14 09:18 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission