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#487984 - 03/20/07 10:51 AM WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
George K Offline
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Just found this list on a mailing that I got and thought I'd share. I have no idea as to validity, methodology, etc. I note that some P & F's are missing (#1 from book 1). Comments, anyone?
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Bela Bartok arranged the 48 preludes and fugues in two volumes in progressing order of difficulty. In the following table, arabic numbers standing alone refer to Bach's Book 1;those followed by the indication "II" refer to to Book II.

Bartok Volume 1:

15/II
6
21
10
20/II
11
9
13
21/II
6/II
19/II
11/II
19
14
18
2/II
5
7
14/II
7/II
17
13/II

Bartok Volume 2:

15
12/II
1/II
24/II
10/II
16
5/II
18/II
24
9/II
4/II
23
3/II
12
3
8/II
22
17/II
4
8
20
22/II
16/II
23/II
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#487985 - 03/20/07 10:55 AM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
Fleeting Visions Offline
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I think you are missing 2 preludes and fugues from the Vol. 1.

You have 22 Ps and Fs.

Dan

(PS, Thanks! I had just been looking for one I was working on.)
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#487986 - 03/20/07 11:03 AM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
George K Offline
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Originally posted by dnephi:
I think you are missing 2 preludes and fugues from the Vol. 1.
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I know. As I said, I have no idea as to validity, etc. Nevertheless, I found it interesting.
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#487987 - 03/20/07 11:21 AM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
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Prelude n1 from Book 1 is one of the easiest -- and most beautiful -- keyboard pieces ever. It isn't in the list.
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#487988 - 03/20/07 11:27 AM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
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 Quote:
Originally posted by namekuseijin:
Prelude n1 from Book 1 is one of the easiest -- and most beautiful -- keyboard pieces ever. It isn't in the list. [/b]
Maybe he didn't want to list it because he got tired of hearing it played at every wedding and funeral he ever attended. \:\)

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#487989 - 03/20/07 12:07 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
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 Quote:
Originally posted by J. Mark:
 Quote:
Originally posted by namekuseijin:
Prelude n1 from Book 1 is one of the easiest -- and most beautiful -- keyboard pieces ever. It isn't in the list. [/b]
Maybe he didn't want to list it because he got tired of hearing it played at every wedding and funeral he ever attended. \:\) [/b]
I've seen the complete list. Book 1 #1 is in it, and about two thirds of the way down from the first, due to the difficulty of the fugue, which has 4 voices, an occasional difficult stretch, and some ornaments requiring 4 and 5 of the right hand.

I doubt that Bartok heard that first prelude at his own funeral.
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#487990 - 03/20/07 12:27 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
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no.1 fugue from WTC1 is difficult. i also think even no.6 prelude from WTC1 is not easy, with all that fast triplet things on LH.

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#487991 - 03/20/07 03:53 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
Bassio Offline
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WOW!! And I am working on 8

and 10

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#487992 - 03/20/07 04:50 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
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Loc: New Jersey
 Quote:
Originally posted by Palindrome:
 Quote:
Originally posted by J. Mark:
 Quote:
Originally posted by namekuseijin:
Prelude n1 from Book 1 is one of the easiest -- and most beautiful -- keyboard pieces ever. It isn't in the list. [/b]
Maybe he didn't want to list it because he got tired of hearing it played at every wedding and funeral he ever attended. \:\) [/b]
I've seen the complete list. Book 1 #1 is in it, and about two thirds of the way down from the first, due to the difficulty of the fugue, which has 4 voices, an occasional difficult stretch, and some ornaments requiring 4 and 5 of the right hand.

I doubt that Bartok heard that first prelude at his own funeral. [/b]
How about no.2 from book I?

brojek.
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#487993 - 03/20/07 07:03 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
kreisleriana Offline
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The list would be more accurate (and useful) if Bartok made one list for prelude, and one for fugue.
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#487994 - 03/20/07 07:18 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
George K Offline
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Originally posted by kreisleriana:
The list would be more accurate (and useful) if Bartok made one list for prelude, and one for fugue. [/b]
And there's no better testament to that theory than Prelude #1[/b] from book 1 vs. Fugue #1.

As I said, it's not my list, but I just found it interesting.
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#487995 - 03/20/07 08:20 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
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Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 13
Loc: Granger, IN, USA
Has anyone seen this edition? Does anyone know if it's published anywhere? I would be much more interested in his editorial markings, comments, and the like. I own a collection of Scarlatti sonatas edited by Bartok, and it is wonderful. I would love to see and hear what one of the twentieth century's best pianists/composers had to say about these classics and their interpretation on the piano.

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#487996 - 03/20/07 08:56 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
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Registered: 12/31/04
Posts: 152
Loc: NYC, NY
prelude and fugue No.1 from book I is ranked before No.17 and after 7/II.

EMB has published the Bartok edition, the catalog numbers are 4475,4476.

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#487997 - 03/20/07 11:00 PM Re: WTC Difficulty - According to Bartok
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Bartok also did a Mozart sonata edition with lots of editorial notes. I may have had a copy once, but Broder's was much clearer.
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