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#489869 - 11/27/08 06:13 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Hotwings? You in there somewhere? Snowed under? Did your question ever get answered? ;\) :rolleyes: [/b]
I know,



\:D \:D

I'll answer. :p

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Is it harder to learn how to fast fingerpick on guitar using all five fingers then it is to have dexterity at the piano?[/b]
For one thing, you don't normally use all 5 fingers for your RH on guitar. Some contemporary guitarists do, but certainly for classical you use 4. I'd say the piano is probably more difficult at first. But after you get experienced with both, the difficulty is probably about even. Of course, these two instruments are played in a radically different manner, so each presents it's own special difficulties. \:\)
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#489870 - 11/28/08 12:37 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Hotwings? You in there somewhere? Snowed under? Did your question ever get answered? ;\) :rolleyes: [/b]
I know,



\:D \:D [/b]
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#489871 - 11/28/08 12:46 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Wow, I'd have never guessed. :rolleyes:
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#489872 - 11/28/08 01:41 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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I believe it's referred to as residual tension in the medical world:


Dr Dick-Reads

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#489873 - 11/28/08 01:47 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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OK, thanks. I now see that someone in the medical community recognizes your viewpoint. But who is "Dr. Dick-Reads"? Google turned up nothing. \:\)
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#489874 - 11/28/08 01:47 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Are virtuosos on one instrument usually virtuosos on another instrument?

This means, if you have a virtuoso technique on piano or violin, then can that person easily learn to have the same virtuoso technique on a guitar, saxophone, flute, oboe, etc... if he learned how to play those instruments?
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Is it harder to learn how to fast fingerpick on guitar using all five fingers then it is to have dexterity at the piano?

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#489875 - 11/28/08 02:02 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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OK, thanks. I now see that someone in the medical community recognizes your viewpoint. But who is "Dr. Dick-Reads"? Google turned up nothing. \:\) [/b]
Who would you prefer Christian Barnard?
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#489876 - 11/28/08 07:14 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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bump:
(OP is asking)
 Quote:
Are virtuosos on one instrument usually virtuosos on another instrument?

This means, if you have a virtuoso technique on piano or violin, then can that person easily learn to have the same virtuoso technique on a guitar, saxophone, flute, oboe, etc... if he learned how to play those instruments?
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Is it harder to learn how to fast fingerpick on guitar using all five fingers then it is to have dexterity at the piano?
[/b]
This thread was answered days ago with post #2: "Seems like a question that'd depend on who you ask."

The only other relevant followups--"Why are you asking? Are you trying to decide which instrument to learn next? Are you frustrated with your progress on a certain instrument? Are you picking up instruments with ease and wondering how many others have done the same?"--went unanswered. Maybe hotwings just shrugged his shoulders once he realized his thread was hijacked. Or maybe he realized that the answer "depends on who you ask" is as good as you can really get.

So let klutz and howitzer duke it out.
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#489877 - 11/28/08 07:32 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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I hear ya.

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#489878 - 11/28/08 12:00 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Originally posted by Horowitzian:
OK, thanks. I now see that someone in the medical community recognizes your viewpoint. But who is "Dr. Dick-Reads"? Google turned up nothing. \:\) [/b]
Who would you prefer Christian Barnard? [/b]
Nope, just wondering who he is. Seems your view has some weight based on the text you posted, but it's good to check out the source. \:\)
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#489879 - 11/28/08 12:30 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Maybe hotwings just shrugged his shoulders once he realized his thread was hijacked. Or maybe he realized that the answer "depends on who you ask" is as good as you can really get. [/b]
His last post was in this thread so presumably he has gone to 'focus on more interesting non-loser activities' as Danny would say.
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#489880 - 11/28/08 12:42 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Horowitzian, there is a Dick Read who wrote "Childbirth Without Fear". Kbk, is that whom you mean? Dick Read - Childbirth etc.

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#489881 - 11/28/08 12:43 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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#489882 - 11/28/08 12:55 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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I don't understand the reaction. I found the quoted text attributed to Dr. Dick Read in "Childbirth Without Fear" and I can see how it would be applicable. The whole movement in around the 1960's or later in childbirth involves being able to relax the body while undergoing something which involves both pain and extraordinary physical effort. Surely that is applicable to playing an instrument while avoiding physical strain.

If you don't believe me, here's the Google result:"
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Childbirth Without Fear: The Principles and Practice of Natural ... - Google Books Resultby Grantly Dick-Read, Michel Odent - 2005 - Health & Fitness - 338 pages
1 Grantly Dick-Read, Michel Odent 2005 Pinter & Martin Ltd ... Residual Tension The difference between lying limp and neuromuscular relaxation can he ..
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url= http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=dick+read+%22residual+tension%22&meta=
You'll notice it's your quoted text at the bottom. I was trying to help. Sheesh!

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#489883 - 11/28/08 01:26 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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I hear ya. (though I can't say I'm listening)
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#489884 - 11/28/08 06:52 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Horowitzian, there is a Dick Read who wrote "Childbirth Without Fear". Kbk, is that whom you mean? Dick Read - Childbirth etc. [/b]
That does make sense considering the context of the image kbk posted...though being a guy, I'll just take your word for what it contains... \:D

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#489885 - 11/28/08 08:05 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Ok, now I understand kbk's perturbment at my finding that source. I brought two children into this world and that colours my perspective when I read that the quoted author was involved in the childbirth efforts. I can well see the bearing of such work on issues of tension and relaxation when playing an instrument. If the man was involved in childbirth research, that is nothing to snigger at. Maybe you have to have given birth to appreciate that - sorry guys. ;\)

This has made me curious about Dr. Read, in fact. Obviously he must have carried his work into other areas. I read a little bit of the part of the book was on-line. He discusses the role that fear plays in creating tension in childbirth, as well as negative expectations. Don't we talk about the same in music, especially performing?

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#489886 - 11/28/08 08:17 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Keystring,

That is a very interesting correlation.

Thanks for providing a nice summary of Dr. Read's main point.

I give it to kbk that residual tension exists. \:\)

I think that childbirth (BTW, I was mostly being silly :p ) is an excellent analogy, especially where performing is concerned. Many performers who have trouble with tension in the concert/recital setting could probably benefit from this information. I know I have to focus on positive thoughts while performing, or I'll end up failing miserably.

Thanks! ;\)
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#489887 - 11/28/08 09:59 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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I hear ya. [/b]
There's my perturbation, since you seem to be having trouble spotting it. On one hand you claim/complain about a thread being hijacked and on the other join in with the 'hijack'. What kind of weird thinking assumes somebody would ridicule childbirth?
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#489888 - 11/28/08 10:20 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Dang, (Thanks Steven! \:D ) I don't recall keystring complaining about hijacking (that was in my post, remember?); she was only trying to call attention to the OP's question.

All of a sudden she comes in with some corroboration for YOUR evidence, and you are perturbed!!!??? Go practice your piano if you can't add any more constructive information. :rolleyes:

Thanks to both of you for expanding my understanding. \:\)
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#489889 - 11/28/08 11:37 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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I make a simple statement on the differing levels of tension in guitar vs piano and get accused by several posters of hijacking? Then one of those not only join in but start going on about childbirth?? Give me a break!
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#489890 - 11/28/08 11:43 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Dang, you're up early. Or are you still in Nova Scotia? \:D

I freely admit being part of the hijacking. That's why I said "thread hijacked" in MY post. We are no longer talking about the OP's actual question. We were arguing about something important to us (though somewhat related to the question as you rightly point out). That constitutes thread hijacking. \:\)
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#489891 - 11/28/08 11:54 PM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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I have occasional insomnia (if there is such a thing). I just watched the entire Aniruhd Patel lecture.
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#489892 - 11/29/08 12:20 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Who's Aniruhd Patel? I believe I saw a thread with that name recently, but I didn't get around to reading it.

Hope you get some sleep. \:\)
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#489893 - 11/29/08 12:24 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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#489894 - 11/29/08 12:28 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Thanks! I'll listen to that lecture tomorrow. Sounds interesting. \:\)
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#489895 - 11/29/08 05:11 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Kbk, I did not use the word "hijack", nor am I aware of thinking such a thing. I did try to open the door back toward the OP's question because I was interested in seeing that angle of it. That is not the same thing as accusations of hijacking.

Btw, for anyone who has PM'd me, I can't get at my messages for some reason since yesterday.

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#489896 - 11/29/08 05:17 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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Then one of those not only join in but start going on about childbirth??
I found a link to YOUR QUOTE, and I'm sorry, it happens to occur in a book about childbirth. I did not write the book. Your quoted author did. That does not make it not valid.

Horowitzian asked you about Dr. Read, which is a reasonable question showing interest in what you were presenting. You did not answer that question. I was also curious about who this doctor was so I found your source and provided the information. This is legit, and in fact, shows interest in what you are saying, and brings the discussion further along.

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#489897 - 11/29/08 05:45 AM Re: Comparing a piano with guitar
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I hear ya. [/b]
Perhaps in this case an emoticon was just too efficient in passing on it's message. I find it rude.
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