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#490635 - 08/07/04 09:16 AM Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
tone_death Offline
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Salutations.

How does one pronounce Chopin? I say "sho-pen".

What is the actual pronunciation of the composer's name?

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#490636 - 08/07/04 09:25 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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It's pronounced "show-pan". Say it like Lo Pan, from Big Trouble in Little China...
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#490637 - 08/07/04 10:00 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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Though I think the standard American pronunciation has the 'n' on the end of it, the pronuncation usually considered as most correct is the closest to the French, with a nasal vowel 'i' at the end of it.

What's always confused me about this, is that Chopin was Polish, not French. What's the Polish pronunciation of his name, I wonder? It would surely be the most correct. After all, his real first name was Fryderyck, not Frederic.

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#490638 - 08/07/04 10:21 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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Chopin's father was French.
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#490639 - 08/07/04 10:49 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
tone_death Offline
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Thanx, appreciate the replies.

Bizet, I suppose you mean "show-pun" for that pronunciation of 'pan' then? Unfamiliar with Big Trouble in Little China, sorry. But if so, I've heard loads of piano players and teachers pronouncing it that way too. Which brought me to this topic for I was taught to pronounce it differently.

Peter, I heard a German professor pronounce it as "show-pen". So how close is Germany to Poland's pronunciation of his name. But your post did give me the brilliant idea of looking up the movie, The Pianist, which i took the liberty to. Hehe.

Their Polish pronunciation of Chopin is indeed 'show-pen' with the nasally bit at the end.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

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#490640 - 08/07/04 01:19 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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I meant "pan", though I often hear people pronouncing it "show-pawn".

P.S. Don't bother to see Big Trouble, though. It's a very bad movie.
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#490641 - 08/07/04 02:37 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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what an extremely dumb topic. oh my gosh. if you have nothing better to do than this then you should just shut the **** up.

seriously.

get a hold of yourself

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#490642 - 08/07/04 02:41 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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Shoh - pain (as in French word for bread).
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#490643 - 08/07/04 02:58 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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So, who cares how the Poles, pronounced, would have pronounced, would pronounce, will pronounce may pronounce "Chopin"? Chopin's father came from France, he was French, his name is French, so - it seems to me, at any rate - that the French pronunciation would be the most appropriate one.
Haven't we had this thread before? Or have I not been away for six weeks, and am I re-reading the same thread?

Missed you guys!

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#490644 - 08/07/04 04:47 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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Originally posted by BeePhlatMinor:
what an extremely dumb topic. oh my gosh. if you have nothing better to do than this then you should just shut the **** up.

seriously.

get a hold of yourself [/b]
what does "****" mean?
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#490645 - 08/07/04 06:28 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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What does **** mean?
\:o The vulgar word to describe how a baby is created. \:o
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#490646 - 08/07/04 09:10 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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 Quote:
Originally posted by curry:
What does **** mean?
\:o The vulgar word to describe how a baby is created. \:o [/b]
Wow. Don't I feel stupid. \:\( :rolleyes: \:\(
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#490647 - 08/07/04 09:19 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Badger:
Shoh - pain (as in French word for bread). [/b]
If the original poster knew French, there wouldn't be a question, now would there? :rolleyes:
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#490648 - 08/07/04 09:51 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
tone_death Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by BeePhlatMinor:
what an extremely dumb topic. oh my gosh. if you have nothing better to do than this then you should just shut the **** up.

seriously.

get a hold of yourself [/b]
Havent you heard of free will?

A lil too extreme to use expletives over something so so minor. So, likewise. Get a hold of yourself. Seriously.

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#490649 - 08/07/04 09:57 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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Freedom of speech! ;\)
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#490650 - 08/08/04 02:33 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
Defo Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Praetorian_AD:
Though I think the standard American pronunciation has the 'n' on the end of it, the pronuncation usually considered as most correct is the closest to the French, with a nasal vowel 'i' at the end of it.

What's always confused me about this, is that Chopin was Polish, not French. What's the Polish pronunciation of his name, I wonder? It would surely be the most correct. After all, his real first name was Fryderyck, not Frederic.

Peter [/b]
Frederic Chopin is both a Frenchification and an Anglicization of his Polish name, so pronouncing it Show-pan, or Shop-in doesn't really matter so long as you're aware of that.

His Polish origins were incredibly important to him, but he doubly embraced his life in Paris, although yearning throughout his life to return home, which he never did after the Russians took control of Poland.

Fortunately, the spelling Fryderyk Chopin is still pronounced the same as Frederic Chopin, even though it may be prounced with a Polish inflection, the basic phonetics are the same.

Polish words like Andrzej and Janusz look much harder but again, this is due to different consonant systems to English, and in some cases, French.

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#490651 - 08/08/04 07:02 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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 Quote:
Originally posted by BeePhlatMinor:
what an extremely dumb topic. oh my gosh. if you have nothing better to do than this then you should just shut the **** up.

seriously.

get a hold of yourself [/b]
so before you go off criticizing other people's threads, wanna explain more about your rach/vs/chopin topic?...
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#490652 - 08/09/04 08:13 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
anor Offline
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Haha this topic is so.......................


Show-pain

or

show-pin

or

shopping

or

chopsui

who cares, go PLAY some polonaises!
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#490653 - 08/11/04 08:07 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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You mean it's not pronounced "chopping" with a silent g?

I do know for sure that Bach is pronounced "batch" as in batch of cookies. So one would say "I just baked a Bach of cookies which I am now Chopin into a lot of little pieces."
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#490654 - 08/11/04 10:29 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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show-pa would be how I pronouce it. I try not to always say the "n" sound at the end. The "show" part is a cross between show and sho.

It's hard to write phonetically!
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#490655 - 08/11/04 10:35 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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I've been Chopin wood all afternoon, and boy are my arms tired.

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#490656 - 08/11/04 10:40 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Defo:
Frederic Chopin is both a Frenchification and an Anglicization of his Polish name, so pronouncing it Show-pan, or Shop-in doesn't really matter so long as you're aware of that....

Polish words like Andrzej and Janusz look much harder but again, this is due to different consonant systems to English, and in some cases, French. [/b]
If it were a Polish name it would be pronounced KHO-peen (KH being the gutteral fricative like at the end of Bach).

The strange diphthongs in Polish (and Serbo-Croatian, etc.) are a result of trying to use Roman letters to write a Slavic language.

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#490657 - 08/11/04 10:54 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
MusicMagellan Offline
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ellaella,

In a somewhat more serious vein than my previous post here, the way I pronounce it is the way Badger suggested. However there was the follow-up post by Matt G. that properly noted that many people don't know how to pronounce the French word for bread: "pain."

This probably doesn't help, but I would say the pronunciation of pain is the first syllable of "panic," That is "pa" but with just a hint of the "n" sound that follows.
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#490658 - 08/11/04 11:09 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojuggler:
The strange diphthongs in Polish (and Serbo-Croatian, etc.) are a result of trying to use Roman letters to write a Slavic language. [/b]
I'm sure you meant digraphs, not diphthongs.

All the above notwithstanding, Chopin is not a Polish name, it is a French name, as Frdric (Fryderyk, if you prefer) was born to a French father and a Polish mother. If the name Chopin were transliterated into Polish, it might come out Szopę or something similar. I am, however, acquainted with a Polish family named Szopinski, for whatever that's worth....
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#490659 - 08/11/04 11:37 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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Oof. I was asleep at the switch. I deserve to have my red pencil taken away.

A diphthong is a vowel movement.

I humbly and sincerely apologize to my fellow linguists.

Although in my defense, the 'ja' at the beginning of 'Janusz' is a diphthong.

(Slinks away in humiliation)

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#490660 - 08/11/04 01:14 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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I believe the first syllable would be pronounced somewhere between "show" and "shaw". For the second syllable say the word "and" then drop the "nd"
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#490661 - 08/12/04 11:43 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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"This probably doesn't help, but I would say the pronunciation of pain is the first syllable of "panic," That is "pa" but with just a hint of the "n" sound that follows. "[/b]

It helps.It's the closest english example to the french pronunciation.In "Chopin[/b]",that is.

"....who cares, go PLAY some polonaises!"[/b]

I care.For me it's somehow a matter of respect trying to be as close as You can to the proper pronunciation
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#490662 - 08/14/04 05:36 PM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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I've always been taught to say show-pan. However, I once heard someone pronounce it that way, and someone else criticized them for it. Maybe it's supposed to be show-pawn, but that sounds too British for me.

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#490663 - 08/23/04 09:08 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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I think B flat minor or whoever the h*** thinks he is has a bit of an attitude problem
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#490664 - 08/23/04 10:19 AM Re: Pronunciation of 'Chopin'
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Originally posted by Tickle The Ivories88:
I think B flat minor or whoever the h*** thinks he is has a bit of an attitude problem [/b]
His mom took away his Doctor Dreadful play set and he's been bitter ever since.
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