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#492064 - 03/15/05 02:47 PM
Re: Beethoven 32 Variations in C minor
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Here's the link form Sheetmusicarchives: http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=728 Kreisler probably teaches this piece a lot, so he would know better. In the meantime, I would say it's more difficult than, say, op 2#1. It has some tricky double note, and scale passages, but each variation os pretty short. Also, playing variations is very different from playing sonatas.
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#492067 - 03/15/05 06:14 PM
Re: Beethoven 32 Variations in C minor
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Hard but very pianistic. Op.31/3 is the closest sonata I can think of in difficutly that I have played. The variations are quite technically nutritious too I would think.
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#492069 - 03/15/05 07:11 PM
Re: Beethoven 32 Variations in C minor
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some comments on this from Charles Rosen: The C minor variations for piano, written in 1806, quickly became popular. As the only set to take up the Baroque form again, it stands apart from all Beethoven's other variations. It is, stylistically, a remarkably prescient work as well, a forecast of the revival of Baroque rhythmic development and harmonic movement that was to produce Romanticism, or its musical form. The piece was to become the basis for Mendelssohn's Variations Serieuses. Beethoven's set follows Handel's passacaglia form closely, imposing only a classically articulated sense of climax within the phrase and over the series of variations, as the first generation of Romantic composers were to do. Its immediate popularity testifies to the direction in which music and taste was moving. Beethoven was not happy about this essay in early Romanticism, professing later to be ashamed of it.
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#492070 - 03/15/05 07:18 PM
Re: Beethoven 32 Variations in C minor
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It's a fantastic work. The difficulty ranks somewhere around the more difficult pre-Op. 31 sonatas. (But not nearly as long.)
In a lot of ways, it's the closest Beethoven ever got to writing a set of etudes. Many of the figurations used in the variations are those used throughout Beethoven's works, and it's a great recital work as well!
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#492073 - 04/01/05 06:25 AM
Re: Beethoven 32 Variations in C minor
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Mr E - have you started these yet? Any initial comments?
My teacher said I should consider starting them soon.
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#492075 - 04/02/05 06:45 AM
Re: Beethoven 32 Variations in C minor
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Hmmm - I suspect I'll find them both tricky and difficult! You seem like a pretty advanced player, for me the variations are a stretch.
Post back again once you really 'start' them. I'm a couple of weeks from diving into them myself.
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#492077 - 04/03/05 05:19 PM
Re: Beethoven 32 Variations in C minor
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Originally posted by elfen:  I played the piece recently. It is an excellent piece to learn idioms Beethoven used in his music. I think you can find almost any technical problems you'll see up in Beethoven sonatas up to Appassionata. Obviously it is a fantastic music by itself. What I found most difficult was bringing the variations (fragments rather since they are only eight bars long!) together in a whole convincing manner. Keep in mind that there are fast slow and fast moments within it like a multi-movement sonata. I am curious about your opinions on the tempo as a whole. I was learned to keep the tempo strict throughout variations, but the characters of fast-moving and slow ones are hard to grasp. [/b] Slightly tangential, but there is a very good recording by Anatoly Vedernikov. He plays with such precision and passion, and, surprisngly, doesn't do the repeats. Better than Perahia and Uchida..
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