Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Ad (Piano Sing)
How to Make Your Piano Sing
Who's Online
141 registered (accordeur, anotherscott, anamnesis, Alkanaut, 36251, 35 invisible), 1606 Guests and 12 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Topic Options
#496768 - 06/11/02 05:40 PM Dissatisfaction with Ives
Ted Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 1518
Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
Who plays some Ives here ? I'm determined to play at least a couple of his shorter pieces, or perhaps a movement from a sonata. I can play the notes all right but I can't as yet produce that magical "Ivesian" quality, which people like Noel Lee, John Kirkpatrick and Joanna MacGregor do so admirably. What is the "trick" if anything ? Ives was such an individual that he probably played the piano in a funny way too. Ought I to abandon weight transfer altogether and simply leap rapidly about or retain legato as far as possible, at least in small groups ? I'm thinking particularly of "Some Southpaw Pitching" which is defying my attempts to unite physical technique and musical expression.
_________________________
"It is inadvisable to decline a dinner invitation from a plump woman." - Fred Hollows

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#496769 - 06/11/02 06:04 PM Re: Dissatisfaction with Ives
Matt G. Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/22/01
Posts: 3789
Loc: Plainfield, IL
The problem, as I see it, is that Ives' stuff is SO idiosyncratic, any attempts at a 'standard' interpretation will be met with frustration. My suggestion would be to approach it as a blank slate, ignoring any and all interpretations you may have heard. Play through the notes. Find the phrases you like or the ones that beg for emphasis. Make the raw material work with YOUR mind and fingers until YOU are comfortable with the result. I wouldn't make any blanket technical suggestions, because I don't think anything really applies across the board.

I will make one non-technical suggestion, though. I've found that Ives almost always has an underlying narrative quality. If you sense the message or story, you should try to integrate that into your interpretation. Often, the printed page of Ives' music gives little indication of the depth involved in producing a convincing interpretation. But once mastered, as you've heard from others' renditions, it makes for a memorable experience.

So, in essence, don't try to emulate anyone else. Find what you believe to be Ives' voice in the piece, then use your technical arsenal to bring it out in your playing.
_________________________
Sacred cows make the best hamburger. - Clemens

Top
#496770 - 06/11/02 06:31 PM Re: Dissatisfaction with Ives
Ted Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 1518
Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
Matt:

Thanks, that makes sense. The evocative power of Ives' piano music has always been obvious to me. One almost thinks it would be easy to improvise, but it isn't, it's very difficult to capture its essence. When I hear Ives I see and hear all sorts of wonderful things. An analogy, perhaps not entirely valid, with the parallel perspective landscape of the naive American painters springs to mind. Ives wasn't a primitive at all, of course, but nonetheless I do sense a preoccupation with landscape, a type of macrocosmic view at work. I think either he or Ruggles said, "The rocks on the mountain begin to shout.", or something similar.

What you are saying is that to play it requires confidence in my own musical vision. Message gratefully received.
_________________________
"It is inadvisable to decline a dinner invitation from a plump woman." - Fred Hollows

Top

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
Christmas Header
Christmas Lights at Piano World Headquarters in Maine 2014
-------------------
The December Free Piano Newsletter
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Pearl River vs. Samick
by Zekk
Today at 03:41 PM
Kawai vs. Yamaha: what to choose
by SeeSharp
Today at 02:19 PM
Disklavier Pro Alternatives? C5X Value for money?
by bryan77
Today at 01:15 PM
piano sound is the result of more than just the hammer speed
by Keith D Kerman
Today at 01:05 PM
piano sound is the result of more than just the hammer speed
by Keith D Kerman
Today at 01:05 PM
Forum Stats
77388 Members
42 Forums
160044 Topics
2350263 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Gift Ideas for Music Lovers!
Find the Perfect Gift for the Music Lovers on your List!
Visit our online store today.

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission