Piano World Home Page Forums Our Most Popular Forums Pianist Corner It is said that musicians, specially pianists, who are male are suspected to be gays.

Yes, females can be circumcised:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=safari&rls=en&q=define%3Afemale+circumcision&btnG=Search

Did that say, "Exorcism of the Clitoris?"

Only if the operation was performed on a witch.

"Excision" is the right term, I believe.

Who said Chopin was gay? He may have gone through a certain amount of adolescent sexual ambivalence, but as an adult he liked women quite a lot. He had a 10 year relation with a woman. She went by the pen name of "George Sand," but she was definitely female, real name "Aurore Dupin."

On his way from Poland to France, when he was 20, Chopin stopped along the way to do business with a young girl named Theresa: he gave her money, and she gave him syphilis. What a deal.

Devil's Advocate...

George Sand dressed like a man, and liked to behave in a masculine manner. Is it possible that Chopin was unconsciously attracted to this? He is then dating a biological woman, but intellectually atracted to her masculinity. Best of both world's, one could argue..

It is unlikely that it was syphillis, it was probably gonnorhea. Syphillis manifests itself symptomatically later and is much more serious. In Chopin's time it would eventually kill you after driving you insane. Gonnorhea (for a guy) is more of a nuisance
ailment, manifests itself quickly and was self limiting even in the 19th century. It is more serious in women and can cause "Pelvic Inflammatory Disease" (PID) which is what almost killed Josephine Baker.

weird-a*ss thread all the way through

At least she didn't give him diarrhea.


(Strange thread, indeed! :p )

That's too bad. Diarrhea's a pain in the butt.

They certainly complemented each other. George Sand dressed in women's clothing when she wanted to be athletic (she was an excellent horsewoman)or make a statement. She had been half raised by an eccentric tutor who treated her and her half-brother exactly alike. He treated them both like boys. The undeniable reality of her femininity once she reached puberty must've been very irksome to her. In spite of the fact that she dressed in masculine clothing and smoked cigars (aspects of her behavior Chopin found irritating) she was a well bred French aristocrat, and in manner she was said to be very quiet, soft voiced, lady like and demure. She was also petite and plump and very maternal. She definitely had her feminine side. As for her "masculine" side, Chopin admired her intellect and her sense of humor. He liked her strength, competence, strong will and directness of purpose as well since it was such a contrast to his own physical frailty, emotion lability and ambivalence.

Rancid olive oil and pig fat -- yuck!

I never agreed with the logic of that perspective (which I've heard elsewhere too). I've known plenty of gay men, and never have I found them expressing attraction to masculine women (ie, butch lesbians). Quite the opposite, they often date feminine men, and ogle masculine men. And as a straight male, I dont find myself being lured toward feminine men with womanly qualities. Quite the opposite, I find that quite the turn off all the way around.

From my chair, the 'gender bender' or 'gray area' community does not offer the best of both worlds, but fails to offer the essence of either. They offer a unique blend thats different and niche. just IMO.

And please no one be offended by that. I'm not saying anything is wrong with anyone, or anyone is less than or greater than anyone else.

And I do recognize that perhaps others DO find such individuals to offer the best of both worlds. It just doesnt strike me that way tho.

Yes, I agree with your reasoning. I was being 'logical'..

However, societal pressures at Chopin's times were different to now, so I was trying to remove current sociology.
Ultimately, I sense that you are, in the majority, correct...

A gay friend of mine once said that he wants a man, and not a man being a girl. If he wanted a girl, he'd get the real thing...

Also, I think the essence of this thread is based on the sterotypical nonsense of gay guys being 'artsy' and 'emotional', whereas straight guys don't react to their own...

A doomed thread from the beginning...

At least she didn't give him diarrhea.

Hmmmm, die-aria, isn't that the last aria the soprano sings before she dies?

"Hmm...was it fatal?"
"Yes."
"How fatal?"
"Completely..."
"Ah!"

Lawyer to pathologist:
"How many autopsies have you performed on dead people?"
Pathologist to lawyer:
"All my autopsies are on dead people.

[QUOTE]A gay friend of mine once said that he wants a man, and not a man being a girl. If he wanted a girl, he'd get the real thing...{/QUOTE]

My gay friends say exactly the same.

That's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard, and quite ironic, depending on how you look at it.