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#501438 - 12/03/06 11:42 PM What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Hi. I'm a beginner (to reading music) and am wondering whether Mozart's Alla Turka is an intermediate OR a beginner/intermediate piece?
Can also anyone tell me what grade it is?
Thanks a bunch!
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#501439 - 12/03/06 11:54 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Well, everyone has slightly different interpretations of what constitutes "beginner" or "intermediate", but I would consider it intermediate. If you are brand new to reading music then it might be a little difficult, but it is one of the more accessible of Mozart's piano works.

Do you have a teacher? What does (s)he think?
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#501440 - 12/04/06 12:54 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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To play well it demand some years of piano studies unless you are a podigry (did I spell it correctly?). The tempo is vivid and there are the broken octaves etc.

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#501441 - 12/04/06 10:38 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Which one is more difficult to play well? This one or his Sonata in C Major? I'd think the former.

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#501442 - 12/04/06 11:35 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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#501443 - 12/04/06 11:39 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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To really do the piece justice, it takes a player of intermediate skill.
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#501444 - 12/05/06 05:05 AM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Any Mozart is hard to play IMO. One has to be articulate and precise and one shouldn´t overuse the sustain pedal. At the same time one should have a natural and singing quality to ones playing.

Casals once said that one should play Mozart like Chopin and Chopin like Mozart.
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#501445 - 12/05/06 12:58 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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#501446 - 12/05/06 02:32 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Originally posted by buxtehude:
Grade 6:

http://www.pianostreet.com/Graded_Pieces_All.xls [/b]
buxtehude :

It seems that this is a graded system from 1 (easiest) through 10 (most difficult). I am sure that many of here will find that list helpful.

Thank you for providing that link.

[Edit] I may have to reconsider my above remarks :

All eight of the Chopin Etudes listed - not the most difficult ones, admittedly - (Op 10: 3, 6, 9, 12; Op 25: 1, 2, 7, and 9) are grade 8, yet the Nocturne Op 9, No 3 is listed as grade 10, the Preludes 5, 12, 16, 18, 19, and 24 are listed as grade 10. Well, maybe; but I wonder if there is that much difference.

Are the Samuel Barber "Excursions" more difficult than all of the Beethoven Sonatas?

Well, I'm sure I'm quibbling over small details. I will modify my first comment and say that this might be "relatively useful" to some.

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#501447 - 12/05/06 03:01 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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"It seems that this is a graded system from 1 (easiest) through 8 (most difficult)."

Most difficult, that is, pre- professional diploma exams and the like.


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#501448 - 12/05/06 03:06 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Originally posted by drumour:
"It seems that this is a graded system from 1 (easiest) through 8 (most difficult)."

Most difficult, that is, pre- professional diploma exams and the like.


John [/b]
John : I just discovered a couple of pieces listed as grade 10. See my Edit ...

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#501449 - 12/05/06 04:30 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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#501450 - 12/06/06 09:23 PM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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I did not see the Schubert "Trout" Quintet listed. Anyone play it? What would you estimate the Grade level to be?
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#501451 - 12/07/06 05:40 AM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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You wouldn't see any Chopin Etude until post - grade 8 ABRSM. In fact, I'm pretty sure there were none on any of the teaching diploma syllabi.


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#501452 - 12/07/06 06:04 AM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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#501453 - 12/07/06 07:10 AM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Thanks for all your input. I feel alot better hearing the Rondo Alla Turka is Grade 6 and all.
8ude; I, many years ago, taught myself how to play Elton John & Billy Joel and the like; but as of 2 years ago, set down to teach myself classical (which is SO VERY much more challenging, of course). I still have no teacher, and have been a little frustrated with my slow progress; some beginner pieces take me a long time to learn. I practice 1&1/2 to 2 hours a day strictly by reading... I find Chopin and expecially Liszt most forbidding. I am really excited now about classical, etc. but I wonder if that "you can't teach a old dog new tricks" applies to me on learning to read. I see alot of small children advancing quite a bit quicker than I.
By the way, does anyone know how many years it takes to learn and play Schubert's Fantasy-Wanderer in full?
Thanks so much!
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#501454 - 12/07/06 07:41 AM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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but I wonder if that "you can't teach a old dog new tricks" applies to me on learning to read.
Not really, you'll just progress a bit slower, that's all.

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I find Chopin and expecially Liszt most forbidding.
Try Chopin's nocturnes and mazurkas. Most of Liszt's pieces are very, VERY difficult. I managed to learn only one transcendental etude, the first, purely because of my undying love for his music, but I still can't play it very well.

For other beginning music besides the Bach and Mozart stuff, you can try Scriabin's earliest etude in C# minor (slow piece, you could play it) and probably some slow Rachmaninoff preludes. I'd recommend getting a teacher to help you with sight-reading though. Listen around on amazon for stuff you think you could play.

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#501455 - 12/15/06 06:13 AM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Wow, Reaper; is that the Presto in C Liszt?
Sounds very difficult. How long have you been playing? I searched for the easiest Liszt I could find and found a couple under Christmas Tree.
I tried the very speedy Op. 15 Hasche-Mann by Schumann and could not even get anywhere.
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#501456 - 12/15/06 08:48 AM Re: What level is Mozart's Turkish March?
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Liszt's TE in C is "easily playable by the average piano student." (Ernest Hutcheson). 'The second is "not easy by any means, but not transcendent." The third is an etude by courtesy alone, in portamento playing, if you will. The execution becomes 'Transcendent' in the Mazeppa, a true warhorse of the professional. What a spectacular contrast between the tremendous bravura of the Mazeppa and the delicate refinement of Feux Follets, a charming will-o-the-wisp that one can work on for weeks without tiring of. It requires almost fairy-like lightness of touch. Vision, Eroica, Wilde Jagd and Chasse-Neige are too consciously transcendent for my taste- these are among those heard less often. Ricordanza is the most popular of them, although it can be justly criticized for its salon style. The F Minor Etude, not to be confused by the Etude de Concert in the same key, is a splended etude, impassioned and heroic. Harmonies du Soir explores the sonority of the keyboard, from the softest whisper to the glorious resonance of the piano.'

Or something along those lines. Written from memory from Ernest Hutcheson's comments about the Transcendental Etudes.

I was mostly disappointed that all he said about the Mazeppa was that it was a "true warhorse of the professional" and had "tremendous bravura."
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