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#503105 - 01/28/08 02:36 PM Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Already engaged/married .. sorry no place for you in this thread ;\)

Quickly .. Yes/No .. Why? .. Advantages/Disadvantages .. etc. \:D

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#503106 - 01/28/08 02:41 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Depends on his instrument ...

;\)
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#503107 - 01/28/08 02:47 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bassio:
Already engaged/married .. sorry no place for you in this thread ;\) [/b]
Why? \:\(

Doesn't experience count in this? \:D \:D \:D
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#503108 - 01/28/08 03:14 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Nikolas:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Bassio:
Already engaged/married .. sorry no place for you in this thread ;\) [/b]
Why? \:\(

Doesn't experience count in this? \:D \:D \:D [/b]
Why sure indeed \:D

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#503109 - 01/28/08 03:15 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Hm. Already married, so I guess I'm not welcome to answer. However, solely in the interest of being helpful to all you single guys out there...

When my wife is not around, I like to look at pictures of pretty girls on, um, certain websites. This one is my favorite:

http://www.beautyinmusic.com/instument_pages/inst_piano_page01.htm

Don't worry. It's safe for work. \:\)

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#503110 - 01/28/08 03:22 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by J. Mark:
When my wife is not around, I like to look at pictures of pretty girls on, um, certain websites. This one is my favorite:

http://www.beautyinmusic.com/instument_pages/inst_piano_page01.htm

Don't worry. It's safe for work. \:\) [/b]
http://www.beautyinmusic.com/artist_pages/myleene_klass.htm

"It shouldn't be that you go into HMV or Virgin and need a map to find the classical department, and when you get there, there's an array of people who look like your geography teacher that you have no affinity with."

\:\)
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#503111 - 01/28/08 03:42 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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My geography teacher was a pleasant looking, rather young woman...

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#503112 - 01/28/08 03:53 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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If the pianist was me, I sure hope to god: NO?! LOL :p
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#503113 - 01/28/08 03:54 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Already married, so disqualified by Bassio, but I'll participate anyway \:\) . Mrs B took piano to ABRSM Grade 6 and violin to Grade 8, and then began classical guitar lessons in her early twenties (the instrument she also wanted to play, but her parents forced her to play the violin instead), which she restarted in earnest two years ago[1]. I find it hard to imagine living with someone who doesn't share one's love of music, including the piano, if not an instrumentalist him/herself. I get the impression that quite a few members here (both amateur and professional players) have spouses/partners who are also pianists or musicians of some kind.

PS. J Mark, that's 15 minutes I'll never get back, but then again, I'm not sure I really care \:\) .

-Michael B.
[1] Hence recent thread asking for guitar info... soon to be updated, deposit paid earlier this evening, hurrah!
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#503114 - 01/28/08 04:12 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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My wife is a singer. Now that's a good match - she always has her accompanist with her.
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#503115 - 01/28/08 04:22 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by PoStTeNeBrAsLuX:
PS. J Mark, that's 15 minutes I'll never get back, but then again, I'm not sure I really care \:\) [/b]
15 minutes? Tch tch. Beauty should not be wasted by such brief interludes.

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#503116 - 01/28/08 05:00 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Indeed. However I've still got another 17 pages to go...

Michael B.
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#503117 - 01/28/08 05:03 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I'am married for several years.........but when I should look for a new........only with a white Yamaha Grand........experience? Not necessary.....I've got experience..... \:D
Only when she (=piano)is beautifull ;\)

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#503118 - 01/28/08 05:05 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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yes, so that the individual will be able to understand me. I have a really close guy friend now who I hang out with and it's so fun because we can play for each other. It's really nice too because we can talk to each other about things that we can't talk to others about and can understand each other really well.

if the individual is'nt a musician than they have to appreciate the music that I play and enjoy listening to it.
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#503119 - 01/28/08 05:10 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Most of my friends growing up were fellow musicians, yet I have never really dated a serious musician. I can certainly see the potential perks (music discussions, duets, etc.), which I'm sure I would appreciate if I happened to be involved with a musician. However, I am in a serious relationship with an artist/aspiring MMA fighter (I know, interesting combination). I have learned a LOT about art and fighting in the last two years- and he has learned a lot about music. I want to be engaged/married to him so I guess I would have to answer "no."

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#503120 - 01/28/08 05:20 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
J. Mark Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by PoStTeNeBrAsLuX:
Indeed. However I've still got another 17 pages to go...

Michael B. [/b]
OK, that's funny.

As a sort-of answer to the actual question, I am married to a woman who has less than zero knowledge about music. It's actually good, because I can play the simplest thing (indeed, that's all I can play) and she actually thinks its amazing. I find this philosophy useful in all things.

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#503121 - 01/28/08 05:30 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I have been dating a fellow pianist for almost a year now.
It works very well for me.
We always understand each other's need for time and space to practice. We always have something interesting to talk about. We push each other pianistically to new heights. We engage in significant discussions about piano playing, music, and pedagogy.

By comparison my older brother (professional violinist) had a serious girlfriend (3 years) who did not understand his commitment to his instrument. She always felt he was "choosing" the violin over her.
In the long run she made it very difficult for him to practice more than a measly 3 hours a day. They broke up and he doubled his practicing time and has never looked back since.
Hope this is of some help.

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#503122 - 01/28/08 05:38 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by Mr_Kitty:
In the long run she made it very difficult for him to practice more than a measly 3 hours a day. They broke up and he doubled his practicing time and has never looked back since.
Hope this is of some help. [/b]
Something tells me she hasn't either.

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#503123 - 01/28/08 07:41 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Why in the world would anyone want to know whether or not I would "prefer to be engaged to ... a pianist?" How would that affect or even interest anyone?
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#503124 - 01/28/08 07:48 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Maybe someone likes you, Bruce. ;\)

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#503125 - 01/28/08 07:52 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Maybe someone likes you, Bruce. ;\) [/b]
That's a kind thought, J. Mark, but I doubt it! \:D

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#503126 - 01/29/08 12:36 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by BruceD:
 Quote:
Originally posted by J. Mark:
Maybe someone likes you, Bruce. ;\)
That's a kind thought, J. Mark, but I doubt it! \:D
Yeah, I understand. To invoke Professor Higgins, single "and likely to remain so".

And yet... was Bassio's post a referendum on a nice young woman in his life? Was he asking for a bit of advice? We can hope.
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#503127 - 01/29/08 03:01 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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It's nice being married to a non musician so I don't have to fight for time on my piano!
Kylie

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#503128 - 01/29/08 03:33 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I've got one single rule in this matter, if I'll ever marry it would be with someone I knew I would love for the rest of my life (and the next).

(This is probably why I'm not married \:D )

I never thought that his occupation would be important as long as he is happy with it, but it would be very unlikely that I could ever fall in love with somebody who's not passionate about music.

Ragnhild
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#503129 - 01/29/08 05:16 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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My husband doesn't play the piano or anything else for that matter.

In fact, this is about the only area where I have the upper hand on him. Although he is a scientist by training, he also reads very widely and knows an incredible amount about music, art, philosophy and literature. I am taking a broad-interest humanities degree and I have yet to study anything that he hasn't read something about (and has a strong opinion on). It is just so annoying sometimes when I am finding out something new and find that he already knows all about it! After 24 years with him, I should have got used to it, I suppose.

So me being able to play the piano and him not is a definite plus.

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#503130 - 01/29/08 08:30 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by BruceD:
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Originally posted by J. Mark:
Maybe someone likes you, Bruce. ;\)
That's a kind thought, J. Mark, but I doubt it! \:D
Yeah, I understand. To invoke Professor Higgins, single "and likely to remain so".

And yet... was Bassio's post a referendum on a nice young woman in his life? Was he asking for a bit of advice? We can hope. [/b]
Alas no, my friend! I hoped it was the case, but unfortunately no.

And to answer BruceD's post: because I think we should have a fun thread every once in a while, don't you think? ;\)

I also wondered if anyone out there can stand the amount of "noise" generated by pianists while practicing \:D Because if parents cannot stand their son/daughter practicing .. why should the wife/husband/fiancee/girlfriend stand it?

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#503131 - 01/29/08 11:33 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Hmm, Paris Hilton apparently knows how to play piano... \:D
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#503132 - 01/29/08 11:41 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Mahlzeit- I didn't know there was a drinking game called piano!

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#503133 - 01/29/08 02:55 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
For me, the answer would be "No."

I don't think I'd want to play second fiddle to a piano.

\:\)

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#503134 - 01/29/08 04:05 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Well, I've been married now for 10 years, but I'm glad my husband is not a musician. I was engaged to a guitarist and he was so critical of other musicians (myself included) that I quit piano and singing for a year! So I'm happy that my husband can give ma a genuine answer on how something sounds without being too critical or detailed about it. I know he's being honest and not trying to undermine me in any way, and his opinion gives me a good idea as to what a general public audience might think.
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#503135 - 01/29/08 04:06 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bassio:
 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by BruceD:
quote:
Originally posted by J. Mark:
Maybe someone likes you, Bruce. ;\)
That's a kind thought, J. Mark, but I doubt it! \:D
Yeah, I understand. To invoke Professor Higgins, single "and likely to remain so".

And yet... was Bassio's post a referendum on a nice young woman in his life? Was he asking for a bit of advice? We can hope. [/b]
Alas no, my friend! I hoped it was the case, but unfortunately no.

And to answer BruceD's post: because I think we should have a fun thread every once in a while, don't you think? ;\)

I also wondered if anyone out there can stand the amount of "noise" generated by pianists while practicing \:D Because if parents cannot stand their son/daughter practicing .. why should the wife/husband/fiancee/girlfriend stand it? [/b]

We have a perfect solution for this: we remodeled my studio and put tons of insulation in every wall and the ceiling. Then my husband moved his Xbox360 upstairs, so when I practice, he plays. We can't hear each other...it's great!
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#503136 - 01/29/08 07:00 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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It has actually been my great displeasure to meet so-called classical musicians who don't seem to have any interesting personality, even when it comes to classical music. For instance, I once ran into a doctorate of piano pedagogy who did not know what the Chopin Scherzi were.

I have been utterly floored by the sheer number of performers who apparently don't listen to much of any classical music. Why are they musicians? It isn't a lucrative field. Shouldn't these people be doing mathematics or engineering or something?

On that note, real artists tend to be people utterly alone with their craft, and have little room for outside relationships. I have certainly noticed this in myself - at my age of 18, it is useless to venture into anything serious or long term with my peers. Women in their 40s have stricken me as being far more attractive on a personal and emotional level than women my age.

As far as I am concerned, friends and supposed intimate partners are many times only fleeting images. Give me art and people who appreciate it, damn it!

-Colin

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#503137 - 01/29/08 07:36 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Colin,

Maybe your best post ever. (And that's a lot.) There's a great deal contained in those few words. But mostly, I identify with the notion that true artists are people utterly alone with their craft.

It's an important choice many people are faced with in their lives. Personally, I choose not to be alone with my craft. I enjoy the love and companionship of my wife, my children, my friends. And I sacrifice any real artistic ambition in favor of that. ... Not that I have any talent, but I humor myself that I made that choice.

Choose wisely, friend. \:\)

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#503138 - 01/29/08 07:55 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Colin said: "Give me art and people who appreciate it, damn it!"

And, Colin, I can't help but make the prediction that you will find them genuine and worthy as time goes by. You have a lot of offer in conversation, interesting subjects, love of music, searching for truth and revelations, too, I believe.

There is no reason who should not have the lifestyle you crave - just not overnight - it takes a while. And, people like this are entering your life all the time if you can get to know them and find your kinship.

Best!

Betty

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#503139 - 01/29/08 08:07 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I also wondered if anyone out there can stand the amount of "noise" generated by pianists while practicing \:D Because if parents cannot stand their son/daughter practicing .. why should the wife/husband/fiancee/girlfriend stand it? [/b]
if i can't practice i get quite agitated.

my kids love to hear me play.. they ask to sleep on the sofa so they can hear me practice while they sleep..

my husband times his day to nap and eat during my piano time if he is home

i make alot of noise. it certainly doesn't sound all that great.... at all. they love it .

-of course, i'm a great cook and they don't want me to go away
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#503140 - 01/29/08 08:17 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Im-possible matches:

. Same instrument: not advisable. Well... not for me.
. Two music teachers: no way... they will make very little money and will be forever unhappy.
. Man composer - woman singer: perfecto. They will cheat themselves all their f... lives.
. Man harpist - woman tuba player: a heavenly couple?

Make your match.

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#503141 - 01/30/08 03:01 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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originally posted by Reaper978:
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Women in their 40s have stricken me as being far more attractive on a personal and emotional level than women my age.[/b]
:D

I'll tell you Colin, some women in their 40s would quite easily fall in love with you or Jason or Bassio or any of the very charming young men at the forum \:o

Fun ?, yes. Wise ? , no ! ;\)

The female tuba player/male harpist is probably the best suggestion so far...

Ragnhild
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#503142 - 01/30/08 08:08 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Ragnhild - I just found it interesting to note. Of course, there are multiples more of people any age that I could not stand to be with, but it seems as I go up the age range people really start to gain those excellent characteristics of trust, emotional stability, depth, and experience.

It helps me to understand myself a bit more.

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#503143 - 01/30/08 10:29 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Reaper978:
...but it seems as I go up the age range people really start to gain those excellent characteristics of trust, emotional stability, depth, and experience.
With luck, you'll leapfrog your 20's.

I'd rather marry a good cook than another pianist...hey wait a minute... I am a good cook! \:D
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#503144 - 01/30/08 11:47 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Jason:
I'd rather marry a good cook than another pianist...[/b]

Following is the start of the very first conversation I had with my future mother-in-law, in their sitting room, having arrived by train late on a Friday night after a long day at work in London, to spend the weekend in the country:

FM-I-L: "Where's Jackie?"

MB: "In the kitchen making me something to eat. I didn't even manage to eat lunch today."

FM-I-L: "Well, she is such a very good cook. Did you know that she makes lovely cakes and pastries!!!"

This was the start of a Mrs Bennett-esque "please marry my daughter" performance[1] that continued unabated until we left on the Sunday afternoon. It was nearly 20 years ago, but it still makes me smile[2] to remember it. She was of course absolutely correct, and said cakes and pastries have been the bane of my waistline ever since \:\) .

Michael B.
[1] Including "she plays the piano and violin so beautifully", etc.
[2] And Jackie cringe \:D
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#503145 - 01/30/08 12:04 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by argerichfan:
I'd rather marry a good cook than another pianist...[/b]
Ohhh... I want to marry a cook. Doesn't even have to be great. Can't cook worth my life, I just bake. Bonus if they play the violin. I always wish I learned the violin instead of the piano.

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#503146 - 01/30/08 01:26 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by Reaper978:
[snip] Women in their 40s have stricken me as being far more attractive on a personal and emotional level than women my age.

-Colin [/b]
Ah, yes! Mrs. Robinson!
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#503147 - 01/30/08 01:51 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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[snip] Women in their 40s have stricken me as being far more attractive on a personal and emotional level than women my age.

-Colin [/b]
Ah, yes! Mrs. Robinson! [/b]
And me!


(But Mr ARP had the foresight to snap me up at the age of 23!)

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#503148 - 01/30/08 02:23 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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It has actually been my great displeasure to meet so-called classical musicians who don't seem to have any interesting personality, even when it comes to classical music. For instance, I once ran into a doctorate of piano pedagogy who did not know what the Chopin Scherzi were.

I have been utterly floored by the sheer number of performers who apparently don't listen to much of any classical music. Why are they musicians? It isn't a lucrative field. Shouldn't these people be doing mathematics or engineering or something?

On that note, real artists tend to be people utterly alone with their craft, and have little room for outside relationships. I have certainly noticed this in myself - at my age of 18, it is useless to venture into anything serious or long term with my peers. Women in their 40s have stricken me as being far more attractive on a personal and emotional level than women my age.

As far as I am concerned, friends and supposed intimate partners are many times only fleeting images. Give me art and people who appreciate it, damn it!

-Colin [/b]
Ah! Love is in the air! I remember when I was 18, it feels pretty long ago though I'm only 21 now. Things changed for me. When I was 18 i thought just like you. I guess you just have to meet the right kind of girl. I know I did, she will probably break my heart big time to, ha.

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#503149 - 01/30/08 04:18 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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We have a perfect solution for this: we remodeled my studio and put tons of insulation in every wall and the ceiling. Then my husband moved his Xbox360 upstairs, so when I practice, he plays. We can't hear each other...it's great! [/b]
How much did that cost? I live in an apartment so I'm always conscious of my neighbours... Plus my mute pedal refuses to work anymore.

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#503150 - 01/30/08 04:50 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Oh man, I suppose this matter would come up sooner or later.

For the record, the last time I fell in love, it was with a soprano. Before that, a pianist. Both never reached the point of engagement, though. I've been through that (with a non-musician) much earlier.

I often wonder who really said "both the joys and woes of love have been greatly exaggerated." It's so true!

I could only speak for myself, but nowadays, I am far too in love with my own solitude to even consider having a spouse. Generally, company makes me very cranky. As long as one doesn't confuse loneliness and solitude, it's all good (as far as I'm concerned).


The Solitary

My heart has grown rich with the passing of years,
I have less need now than when I was young
To share myself with every comer
Or shape my thoughts into words with my tongue.

It is one to me that they come or go
If I have myself and the drive of my will,
And strength to climb on a summer night
And watch the stars swarm over the hill.

Let them think I love them more than I do,
Let them think I care, though I go alone;
If it lifts their pride, what is it to me
Who am self-complete as a flower or a stone.

-- Sara Teasdale
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#503151 - 01/30/08 11:59 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Not so sure I see a point in choosing some sort of solitary existence. Wagner had a brilliant wife (Cosima), and might not have had the strength to keep composing without her. Beethoven tried to get & keep women, or a certain woman, but wasn't very good at it. He didn't choose his loneliness in any very meaningful sense, although I suppose he was able to come to terms with it. Mozart had a wife and children. And how many children did Bach have? Dozens? Liszt tried very hard to get married with Carolyn. His youthful adventures with Marie yielded Cosima, who was to become so important to Wagner.

There is a Seinfeld episode, called "The Soul Mate", where Elaine finds a "soul mate": they are united by annoyance at couples who think that having children is necessary for being able to live a fulfilling life. There is this scene: Elaine and George are having a discussion at the coffee house. Jerry, who was at the (public) phone with his new girlfriend, Pam, comes back to the table. Earlier in the episode, Jerry had been having doubts about his feelings towards this new girlfriend of his. There's a discussion between Jerry and Elaine. Jerry begins.

"That Pam, I am gaga over her!"

"Gaga over her? When did that happen?"

"Yesterday, sixish."

"Hah, well, perhaps we should double sometime. I'm pretty gaga myself."

"But you just met the guy!"

"Yeah, but we have a common goal..."

"A barren sterile existence that ends when you die?"

Elaine squirms and smiles in satisfaction and various other pleasant emotions, and replies: "Yeah."

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#503152 - 01/31/08 12:28 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Can I exchange the pianist for Billy Gates, Warren Buffet, Luis Dominguin or Fabio...???

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#503153 - 01/31/08 02:05 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I often wonder who really said "both the joys and woes of love have been greatly exaggerated." It's so true!
I feel I'm finding this to be the case, but please tell me I'm not getting jaded before my time. I enjoy partying with my mates at the London clubs, but I really do love my solitude at home. There's nothing like it, especially when I'm working on a project for work with one of the CDs from my extensive collection of church music playing in the background. Such inspiration.

As for Colin, I wish this marvelously intelligent and sensitive young lad the best, but I fear he may be setting his sights unrealistically. When looking for a (soul) mate (here using the term outside of its British meaning) I sometimes think we subconsciously only want a carbon copy of ourselves, male or female, whichever applies.

I don't think it works out that way in the "real world", whatever that may mean.
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#503154 - 01/31/08 02:59 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Im-possible matches:
. Two music teachers: no way... they will make very little money and will be forever unhappy.
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Not totally impossible. There are more than a few "teacher couples" in my local area, and some of them are rather well-off and/or famous. One couple in particular arranged the rooms in their house so that they can teach simultaneously without affecting each other.

As for myself, I plead the Fifth. ;\)
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#503155 - 01/31/08 03:38 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I hope none of you found me non-serious in this very serious matter. I just could not resist (since I'm a woman in my 40's) telling you that I find some of you to be very charming (and interesting and sensitive of course) young men.

I guess we all start out with a set of golden dreams, and usually they get broken one after the other. You might meet your soul mate (what is the British meaning ??), just to find that it's impossible for other reasons, or you might fall completely for someone who does not care for you at all. Life sometimes makes unexpected turns and leaves you in places you never wanted to be.

Being able to enjoy solitude makes life meaningful even if you've had some bad luck. And you probably first have to endure your company yourself before you can expect somebody else to.


Back to Bassios question, being engaged to a pianist would probably bring mixed feelings

a) You'd be extremely proud and feel like the chosen one.

b) You realize that the more success he will have the less you will see him, so what to wish for ??

Ragnhild
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#503156 - 01/31/08 11:03 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I think I much prefer the sympatico relationship with my wife of 28 years (soprano that I met in undergrad) to the non-relationship evidenced by my parents that had (other than children) nothing in common. Common interests and common goals has proven to be a great way to be. Musicians marrying musicians is certainly a nice starting point. It's wonderful to still have this after the kiddos are grown, rather than staring across the living room at someone that seemingly you have minimal rapport with. BUT....I'm a little jaded, she still sings Strauss and I still serenade with Chopin.

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#503157 - 01/31/08 11:51 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I tend to have mixed feelings about the subject. I understand how music can enrich the lives of a couple (for example, the joy of playing a duet together). :2hearts: I look at a partner overall and not judge by certain criteria...
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#503158 - 01/31/08 01:59 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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well...if you can afford to have 2 pianos in the house, there's nothing wrong with marrying someone who plays it too.

I admit though I probably am very ignorant about it since many of you have gone through alot and after all I am still 20.

hotkeys: what you just said pretty much applies to me to.
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#503159 - 01/31/08 09:58 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by Amelialw:
well...if you can afford to have 2 pianos in the house, there's nothing wrong with marrying someone who plays it too.

I admit though I probably am very ignorant about it since many of you have gone through alot and after all I am still 20.

hotkeys: what you just said pretty much applies to me to. [/b]
You don't need two pianos, only four hands. That is called a duet. Perfect for me and my sweetie of 30+ years, and me.

Much closer that way as well. But she really does like to take up more than her half of the piano bench. ;-)

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#503160 - 02/01/08 12:20 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Of course I would like to be engaged to a pianist--pianists are harmless, because . . . they spend their time playing the piano.
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#503161 - 02/01/08 12:21 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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#503162 - 02/01/08 01:23 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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"He tried to make bold sweeping statements and feel outrage at the absurdities of life, but one could tell his heart really wasn't in it."

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#503163 - 02/01/08 02:17 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by Antonius Hamus:
"He tried to make bold sweeping statements and feel outrage at the absurdities of life, but one could tell his heart really wasn't in it."
Bold sweeping statements... outrage... absurdities...

Is someone conveniently writing my material, because my heart is having a problem getting "into" it?

I love to read the pre-21 posts on this board, but it's all really past history for me. They are so idealistic, but somehow it doesn't relate as it should. What has happened to me? I feel as if I'm in this weird middle space.

The confident posts of some of our more mature members - Antonius, tomassino, BruceD, whippen boy, keyboardklutz, Janus, BDB, AndrewG, btb, Ted2- all have valuable things to contribute. I do relish it all, and apologize if I get a bit hotheaded at times. I'm just trying to work through things... ya know, it can be really difficult.

But sorry, no excuses. I do think it should be taken into consideration that this board is a learning experience for all of us.
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#503164 - 02/01/08 07:12 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by argerichfan:
I'm just trying to work through things... ya know, it can be really difficult.

But sorry, no excuses. I do think it should be taken into consideration that this board is a learning experience for all of us. [/b]
Well said! I don't think anyone stops learning. IMHO, no one should stop learning. And no need to apologize -- to anyone. For anything. I was surprised when I read this. And also, even old foggies like me can get hotheaded too!

And I think I understand what you mean when you write about being in a weird middle space. I can recall the past, um, experiences of my heart quite vividly (I'm sometimes afraid to read my own dairy) -- yet it's always with a certain sense of "that happened to someone else", or even as if it were a novel. Certainly it's not quite vivid enough to make me want more of the same! \:D
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#503165 - 02/01/08 07:29 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Moi again. It has been said before in this thread, but still, my self the composer actually somewhat misses having a significant other who is also a performer. I mean, if I had a pianist significant other who appreciated my music, I could just write tons of piano music (which I really want to do regardless) and have a ready made champion!

In terms of a composer-performer partnership, the Schumanns started out well enough I suppose. But Robert's retreat into his own subjective world ruined it, alas. From what I know, the Messiaens had a good, fruitful, and long composer-performer partnership (which overlapped with Olivier's first marriage, ahem, though that's a complicated story).

One other thing -- it is too easy to assume that common interests/common temperaments make for an ideal relationship (the second self theory). That is only partly true. Too many similarities can bring about massive problems. There is also the "opposites attract" dynamic which also works -- yes, I've been there too. I think the "complement" dynamic is the most rewarding -- having enough things in common to be relatable, but also having differences, as well as differing "strengths" and "weaknesses" (to use the terms relatively) that one complements (or "completes," to use the more conventionally romantic term) the other.

Man, I think I am taking this issue way too seriously. Isn't this supposed to be a lighthearted thread? \:\)

P.S.: To any other cranks like me: maybe Brahms's Piano Trio No. 3 in C minor befits you too? A cranky product of a (relatively) cranky age.

P.P.S.: Here's a nice little quote (from what I don't remember): "Have I considered divorce? Never. Murder? Often." \:D
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#503166 - 02/02/08 02:47 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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On that note, real artists tend to be people utterly alone with their craft, and have little room for outside relationships. [/b]
That may often be true of the most intense performers. Thankfully dedication and love aren't mutually exclusive. I'm thinking for example of Emanuel Ax, who frequently performs duets with his wife, the pianist Yoko Nozaki.

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#503167 - 02/02/08 08:26 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Go for very long engagements...see if your "intended"
attempts to draw you away from your "hobby" if so
then they ain't the person for you!
a few have tried..thats why I'm still single \:\)

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#503168 - 02/02/08 03:04 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Such individualism... A very Western phenomenon.

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#503169 - 02/02/08 03:34 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Such individualism... A very Western phenomenon. [/b]
That's a fairly... interesting comment. As far as I know, the Eastern philosophies center around emptiness, isolation, and meditation, hardly a "married with two kids, cute house, and an SUV" attitude.

-Colin

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#503170 - 02/02/08 03:59 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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The Eastern philosophies you probably refer to are quite rarefied, and their mundane manifestations as some sort religions haven't really affected the social structures prevalent in the East, which have been based on extended families and a strong sense of ethnic interests. Rather, they were adopted to suit these already existing social structures and intuitions (and I do mean intuitions, not institutions). You can see this in the way marriage practices differ in the East from what they have long since been here in the West. In the East, marriage is used as a strategic tool in a manner similar to that when kings marry (or used to) their daughters & sons to potential allies/enemies. All of this has of course changed somewhat with the modernization of the Eastern countries. The West, however, was relatively individualistic already before the Industrial Revolution, especially its northern regions, such as Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

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#503171 - 02/03/08 11:45 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I'm perfectly happy with my SO, who is not a pianist, but who comes with me to all sorts of piano-intensive music festivals, merely because I am performing there. I really lucked out. \:\)

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#503172 - 02/04/08 12:21 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Believe it or not the biggest thing I struggle with going to conservatory and attempting to be a pianist is not the difficulty of it, or the overwhelming odds, or whether I am good enough....

The scary part is knowing that I CAN do it but that if I do, I honestly do not believe getting married will be possible.

This is sort of something I have always felt, and no matter how much I wish it wasn't so, I keep finding more and more evidence to back this up.

I'm not saying it is impossible to be a "successful" pianist and get married. There are two successful and rather famous teachers in my school who are married to each other.

What I'm saying is that I agree with Colin's assertion that the greatest artists are utterly alone with their craft. My teacher gave me an absolutely incredible book to read - the Spiritual Development of Beethoven. When I was reading it I got quite emotional because I had so many of the same thoughts. Beethoven very much didn't want to be alone, but it was his very alone-ness that helped form who he was and which made his music so powerful. I would go so far as to say that some of his music simply could not be written by a satisfied, untroubled man.

I look at Beethoven and I look at my teacher, who is absolutely one of the most intense (almost disturbingly so, but in a good way) performers out there right now. What makes listening to them so special is that you are getting an intimate glimpse of an utterly prodigous and immensely powerful personality that is normally alone. They are a very special breed of people and altogether unique.

Here at school, it is rather special for me, because for the first time there are a select few that understand. I can walk out of the practice room at 3:00AM and count on a small group of certain special people still being there too; still being utterly alone, taking comfort in music. Friday night, weekends, weekdays, it doesn't matter. Why? Becuase they need it. You can't exactly walk up to a random acquaintance or superficial friend and start talking about the mysteries of life and the joys and sorrows of living; they will look at you like you are crazy. So you are left with no other option but to explore them yourself - and what better way than through Bach and Mozart and Brahms and Beethoven?

What strikes me the most though, is that these people are the ones that long the most for communication. They are all incredible people, fascinating people - by far the most interesting to converse with. Once again, this is what sets them apart from an average pianist.

The bottom line is that if you develop your artistry to a level that is truly sublime, you can't help but develop yourself as well.

Once you've reached that point - that point which is special expressely because so few reach it - what are the odds of finding a "soulmate" that is capable of understanding you? Putting hundreds of thousands of hours into understanding the emotional and communicative aspects of music is LITERALLY putting hundreds of thousands of hours into understand humanity and yourself, and how many people actually do that? Hardly any! The odds are beyond ridiculous of finding someone who can understand a person like that at a fundamental level, which is what they wish for the most.

The sad thing is that even if I were to just give up an intensive study of piano and get married, I wouldn't be completely happy either, as something would still be missing. It is the proverbial "stuck between a rock and a hard place", and I am not sure which (if either), will bring me greater happniess in the end

Honestly, both marriage and being a pianist are vocations, pure and simple. I'm just not sure to which I'm called yet.

So to your answer, I would LOVE to be engaged to a pianist - one as dedicated as myself, as perhaps that's the only chance I have!

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#503173 - 02/04/08 12:26 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Since uni -and all its attendant dodgy memories- is past history for me, I tend to connect more at the London clubs these days. What else is a young single to do?

But I met a cool bloke the other day who is a baritone with the choir at Westminster Abbey... very interesting conversation. Yet I also met a pianist several weeks ago, but after mention of Moonlight Sonata and Liebesträume that seemed to be the cap on his knowledge.

Rather frustrating, I say. No wonder some of us find a certain companionship on this board.

I have a number of valuable friends, but none of them really understand why classical music means what it does to me. On the other hand, I find myself keeping up with pop culture just by osmosis.

And I wonder if I'm unique on this board for not even owning a tv. How's about that, Colin? And you owe me a PM anyway...
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#503174 - 02/04/08 12:56 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Hey argerichfan, I don't own a TV either. And I'm not trying to ingratiate myself to you, I'm serious!
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#503175 - 02/04/08 01:04 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by argerichfan:
Since uni -and all its attendant dodgy memories- is past history for me, I tend to connect more at the London clubs these days. What else is a young single to do?

But I met a cool bloke the other day who is a baritone with the choir at Westminster Abbey... very interesting conversation. Yet I also met a pianist several weeks ago, but after mention of Moonlight Sonata and Liebesträume that seemed to be the cap on his knowledge.

Rather frustrating, I say. No wonder some of us find a certain companionship on this board.

I have a number of valuable friends, but none of them really understand why classical music means what it does to me. On the other hand, I find myself keeping up with pop culture just by osmosis.

And I wonder if I'm unique on this board for not even owning a tv. How's about that, Colin? And you owe me a PM anyway... [/b]
I don't own a TV. No point as I don't even have enough time in the day without another distraction. Chopin > Desperate Housewives.

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#503176 - 02/04/08 01:05 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Hey argerichfan, I don't own a TV either. And I'm not trying to ingratiate myself to you, I'm serious!
Aw nuts, you took me off my pedestal... well hardly the first time!

Good on ya, Janus. And we get our news via BBC, Al Jazeera, and International Herald Tribune? Heck, when I want to watch a DVD, the computer will do just fine.
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#503177 - 02/04/08 01:10 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Chopin > Desperate Housewives.
But when I'm in the mood: Chopin < QAF.

Rather cryptic of me... :p
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#503178 - 02/04/08 01:21 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by computerpro3:
Chopin > Desperate Housewives.
But when I'm in the mood: Chopin < QAF.

Rather cryptic of me... :p [/b]
There's a fair amount of scholars out there that think Chopin would greatly enjoy it!

There is no such thing as "cryptic" when Google exists...

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#503179 - 02/04/08 01:23 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
Hey argerichfan, I don't own a TV either. And I'm not trying to ingratiate myself to you, I'm serious!
Aw nuts, you took me off my pedestal... well hardly the first time!

Good on ya, Janus. And we get our news via BBC, Al Jazeera, and International Herald Tribune? Heck, when I want to watch a DVD, the computer will do just fine. [/b]
Add the NY Times and Time Magazine websites as news sources for me, and yes, I have a particular fondness for the good ole BBC (having lived in London once). I don't know if this appeals to you, but this one-time America-dweller also has a fondness for another trustworthy news source: the Daily Show, which also has a website .

P.S.: I don't own any DVDs either. Gave them away when I moved... \:\(
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#503180 - 02/04/08 01:33 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by computerpro3:
Chopin > Desperate Housewives.
But when I'm in the mood: Chopin < QAF.

Rather cryptic of me... :p [/b]
There's a fair amount of scholars out there that think Chopin would greatly enjoy it!

There is no such thing as "cryptic" when Google exists... [/b]
Along with Schubert, Saint-Saens, and Ravel, amongst others...
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#503181 - 02/04/08 02:39 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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What I'm saying is that I agree with Colin's assertion that the greatest artists are utterly alone with their craft. My teacher gave me an absolutely incredible book to read - the Spiritual Development of Beethoven. When I was reading it I got quite emotional because I had so many of the same thoughts. Beethoven very much didn't want to be alone, but it was his very alone-ness that helped form who he was and which made his music so powerful. I would go so far as to say that some of his music simply could not be written by a satisfied, untroubled man.
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So you don't count Wagner and Bach as some of the greatest artists?

How about Horowitz? Who said you need to be untroubled if you have wife and kids?

And how about Beethoven and his nephew? I don't tend to trust Wikipedia, but since it for once happens to corroborate my delusional, know-next-to-nothing-about-anything-at-all views, here's a quote: "After Beethoven lost custody of his nephew, he went into a decline that led to his death..."

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#503182 - 02/04/08 07:24 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I think that they had other things to draw inspiration from. Some people don't. Music is a very personal thing and of course it is going to be different for everyone.

Beethoven's relationship with his nephew was bizzare and not quite healthy. It wasn't simply the uncle doting on the nephew from what I've read; more like an obsession stemming from some other problem.

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#503183 - 02/04/08 08:08 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Computerpro3,

I have high-functioning autism (Asperger's, see sig) which works to prevent me from fully connecting with people. This creates an unbelievable intensity to my music as I tend to feel alone whether in a group or with people. It is not a choice, it's just the way my brain works.

What you say about having interesting conversations and wanting to connect is absolutely true.

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#503184 - 02/04/08 10:34 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by Reaper978:
I have high-functioning autism (Asperger's, see sig) which works to prevent me from fully connecting with people. This creates an unbelievable intensity to my music as I tend to feel alone whether in a group or with people. It is not a choice, it's just the way my brain works.
I've looked at the link in your sig so I at least have some idea what is going on. But I don't feel that you are entirely in this by yourself. Music has a very intense affect on me also (generally choral and organ over solo piano), and I also experience some of the problems you do.

I don't see it as a matter of choice or the way my brain works, it's just my environment. I can become emotionally overwhelmed at an Evensong or organ recital, yet am embarrassed because everyone else just seems to be sitting quietly. Perhaps their "overwhelming emotions" are bottled up.

But this is the killer: it's hard to find someone afterwards who wants to go out for a pint and discuss those musical experiences. That's where the sense of loneliness comes in.

I generally enjoy my job, but just try to relate with anyone there about classical music. I might as well be talking to a brick wall. It's all sports... and if it were not for the fact that I read BBC before going to work, I would not have known about the Super Bowl. And yes, earlier this morning, there was some talk about this amongst a few American football fans.

At least I wasn't totally out to lunch...
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#503185 - 02/04/08 11:22 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I think that they had other things to draw inspiration from. Some people don't. Music is a very personal thing and of course it is going to be different for everyone.[/b]
Then I suppose you should be more careful about what sort of statements you pretend to agree with ("the greatest artists are utterly alone with their craft", assuming this implies no family---if it doesn't, then it's not really a relevant statement, is it? A bit empty, isn't it? Otherwise it's a false statement, as I demonstrated earlier).

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#503186 - 02/04/08 11:10 PM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Some people are alone regardless of who they are with, Antonius.

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#503187 - 02/05/08 12:27 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Computerpro3,

I have high-functioning autism (Asperger's, see sig) which works to prevent me from fully connecting with people. This creates an unbelievable intensity to my music...[/b]
Wow, little Napoleon crowning himself Emperor, anyone?
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#503188 - 02/05/08 01:40 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by Reaper978:
Computerpro3,

I have high-functioning autism (Asperger's, see sig) which works to prevent me from fully connecting with people. This creates an unbelievable intensity to my music...
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Wow, little Napoleon crowning himself Emperor, anyone?
Out of context the quote from Reaper978 does sound grandiose. However it can be read as "I experience my music with an intensity that others would scarcely believe." This reading raises questions of its own, but does not justify the accusation that it indicates delusions of grandeur.

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#503189 - 02/05/08 02:03 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I teach piano to autistic students and Aspergers. Janus Sachs and Antonius Hamus: how many experiences have you had with students and/ or individuals who suffer from these conditions? Do you think it is compassionate and wise to belittle or deride an individual who is trying to cope with these symptoms? I have seen first hand that these conditions are not the fault of the individual. They must work hard to learn to cope in this world. The least we can do is show some kindness. Is this not a more noble way to behave towards someone else's malody?

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#503190 - 02/05/08 04:03 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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I don't need to have experience with such students to know that their ability for logical thought isn't any worse than that of the general population. There's also a subtle but meaningful difference between deriding someone's statements and deriding that someone himself.

Reaper, please raise your hand if my lack of commiseration is driving you to suicide. I wouldn't want that to happen to you.

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#503191 - 02/05/08 04:43 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Just me, suddenly thinking like a mother ;\) :

Please, be nice and go gently with eachother, life is not that easy and this topic is probably the most sensitive of all you could have chosen.

Computerpro3, I enjoyed your long post and found it full of true insight, you say :

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Honestly, both marriage and being a pianist are vocations, pure and simple. I'm just not sure to which I'm called yet.[/b]
So true, but don't be sure you are not called for both ! They might both demand your full concentration for longer or shorter periods, but by choosing the right time (and the right girl ;\) ), I would think it's possible.

Colin, I've looked at the site in your link and found it very interesting. The milder forms of autism is very common and has its advantages when it comes to being passionate about things. I might be there myself, the more serious I know little about.

This forum is a great place for meeting passionate people, and again, please everybody, try to be nice.


Good luck to all of you with life, love and music !

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#503192 - 02/05/08 07:28 AM Re: Would you prefer to be engaged to .. a pianist?
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Originally posted by Reaper978:
Computerpro3,

I have high-functioning autism (Asperger's, see sig) which works to prevent me from fully connecting with people. This creates an unbelievable intensity to my music...
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Wow, little Napoleon crowning himself Emperor, anyone?
Out of context the quote from Reaper978 does sound grandiose. However it can be read as "I experience my music with an intensity that others would scarcely believe." This reading raises questions of its own, but does not justify the accusation that it indicates delusions of grandeur. [/b]
Alright, if we take your interpretation, it then becomes somewhat ironic that Reaper continuously blows a tantrum because the world doesn't love music as much as he does in a forum where many are at least as dedicated, if not more so, to music than he is. It doesn't take Asperger's to live a life dedicated to music, or to love it with blinding intensity . Neither does Asperger's give Reaper the right to think that he alone experiences music as intensely as he does, or that such a love of music that is unknownable to most people creates within him a sense of alienation that he alone feels (see argerichfan's post). Doesn't sound too far from "delusions of grandeur" (your words, not mine) to me.

Given your interpretation, and my own many years of humbly serving the muses (more years than Reaper's age, I'll say that much), I could choose to be insulted by Reaper's implied assertion that he alone (partly or wholly because of his Asperger's) is able to love music so greatly and experience it with such intensity, and that as a result he alone suffers from such a great sense of alientaion. But you know what, I just smile and go on \:\) , because life is far too short. Frei aber Froh.

Believe me, I for one will be overjoyed once Reaper steps out of his many vicious circles (some of which he creates himself) so that he can achieve his potential. But I think I can wait...
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