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I think that they had other things to draw inspiration from. Some people don't. Music is a very personal thing and of course it is going to be different for everyone.
Then I suppose you should be more careful about what sort of statements you pretend to agree with ("the greatest artists are utterly alone with their craft", assuming this implies no family---if it doesn't, then it's not really a relevant statement, is it? A bit empty, isn't it? Otherwise it's a false statement, as I demonstrated earlier).

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Some people are alone regardless of who they are with, Antonius.

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I have high-functioning autism (Asperger's, see sig) which works to prevent me from fully connecting with people. This creates an unbelievable intensity to my music...
Wow, little Napoleon crowning himself Emperor, anyone?


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I have high-functioning autism (Asperger's, see sig) which works to prevent me from fully connecting with people. This creates an unbelievable intensity to my music...
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Wow, little Napoleon crowning himself Emperor, anyone?
Out of context the quote from Reaper978 does sound grandiose. However it can be read as "I experience my music with an intensity that others would scarcely believe." This reading raises questions of its own, but does not justify the accusation that it indicates delusions of grandeur.

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I teach piano to autistic students and Aspergers. Janus Sachs and Antonius Hamus: how many experiences have you had with students and/ or individuals who suffer from these conditions? Do you think it is compassionate and wise to belittle or deride an individual who is trying to cope with these symptoms? I have seen first hand that these conditions are not the fault of the individual. They must work hard to learn to cope in this world. The least we can do is show some kindness. Is this not a more noble way to behave towards someone else's malody?

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I don't need to have experience with such students to know that their ability for logical thought isn't any worse than that of the general population. There's also a subtle but meaningful difference between deriding someone's statements and deriding that someone himself.

Reaper, please raise your hand if my lack of commiseration is driving you to suicide. I wouldn't want that to happen to you.

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Just me, suddenly thinking like a mother wink :

Please, be nice and go gently with eachother, life is not that easy and this topic is probably the most sensitive of all you could have chosen.

Computerpro3, I enjoyed your long post and found it full of true insight, you say :

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Honestly, both marriage and being a pianist are vocations, pure and simple. I'm just not sure to which I'm called yet.
So true, but don't be sure you are not called for both ! They might both demand your full concentration for longer or shorter periods, but by choosing the right time (and the right girl wink ), I would think it's possible.

Colin, I've looked at the site in your link and found it very interesting. The milder forms of autism is very common and has its advantages when it comes to being passionate about things. I might be there myself, the more serious I know little about.

This forum is a great place for meeting passionate people, and again, please everybody, try to be nice.


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Computerpro3,

I have high-functioning autism (Asperger's, see sig) which works to prevent me from fully connecting with people. This creates an unbelievable intensity to my music...
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Wow, little Napoleon crowning himself Emperor, anyone?
Out of context the quote from Reaper978 does sound grandiose. However it can be read as "I experience my music with an intensity that others would scarcely believe." This reading raises questions of its own, but does not justify the accusation that it indicates delusions of grandeur.
Alright, if we take your interpretation, it then becomes somewhat ironic that Reaper continuously blows a tantrum because the world doesn't love music as much as he does in a forum where many are at least as dedicated, if not more so, to music than he is. It doesn't take Asperger's to live a life dedicated to music, or to love it with blinding intensity . Neither does Asperger's give Reaper the right to think that he alone experiences music as intensely as he does, or that such a love of music that is unknownable to most people creates within him a sense of alienation that he alone feels (see argerichfan's post). Doesn't sound too far from "delusions of grandeur" (your words, not mine) to me.

Given your interpretation, and my own many years of humbly serving the muses (more years than Reaper's age, I'll say that much), I could choose to be insulted by Reaper's implied assertion that he alone (partly or wholly because of his Asperger's) is able to love music so greatly and experience it with such intensity, and that as a result he alone suffers from such a great sense of alientaion. But you know what, I just smile and go on smile , because life is far too short. Frei aber Froh.

Believe me, I for one will be overjoyed once Reaper steps out of his many vicious circles (some of which he creates himself) so that he can achieve his potential. But I think I can wait...


Die Krebs gehn zurucke,
Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke,
Die Karpfen viel fressen,
Die Predigt vergessen.

Die Predigt hat g'fallen.
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