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#504539 - 03/03/06 10:44 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Originally posted by Heretic:
Someone said Curtis is the most prestigious in the world even beyond Juilliard but from my experience I have known of several people transferring from Curtis to Juilliard but never the opposite way around. This seemed to suggest to me that Juilliard is #1 but I don't know, maybe it just has that reputation from being in NYC.

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Curtis is more selective than Juilliard. The lack of pianists "transferring" from Juilliard to Curtis can be explained by the fact that Curtis tends to admit younger students and has no graduate program in piano.

Interesting fact about Juilliard: as much as people complain about the place, no one seems to leave voluntarily. Undergrad pianists auditioning for Masters programs, or graduate pianists auditioning for DMA programs, they all stayed at the Jailyard if they were accepted. I can only think of one exception (a woman who switched to Peabody for her Masters to study with Fleisher) out of 20 or 30 cases. Also, as far I could tell, it seemed rare for a student accepted at Juilliard to be rejected by another North American conservatory (except Curtis).

But none of that really matters. Here's the important point: it's extremely unhealthy to worry about prestige when you're selecting a school. So many students obsess over it; they feel they need that validation from a famous and selective institution, to prove their worth to themselves and others. It's easy to empathize with this attitude, given the competitive realities of the profession, but it can be very harmful if it prevents the student from making good choices. Over the long run, the esteem of alma mater doesn't matter. Don't worry about which school is "best." Ignore rankings. Find the combination of instructor, environment, cost, location and student body that is most conducive to your personal and professional growth. Easier said than done, of course. Good luck.

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#504540 - 03/03/06 05:09 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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This is where my son studies the piano -- and this is the moment to say thank you to Kreisler who recommended a teacher there. We are more than happy.
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#504541 - 03/03/06 10:00 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Lemon you're actually absolutely right...I forgot about 3 important things:

1. Curtis does not accept applicants over age 21 I believe it is? That means every single person in Curtis must be under that age

2. Curtis has no graduate program and

3. Juilliard's graduate program is FREE (as far as I know) which means I assume it's natural for someone to transfer from Curtis (free) after they're done with their undergrad to Juilliard Grad School (free) for a fully free education of the highest order. I am assuming that is what Koji did...

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#504542 - 03/04/06 07:59 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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I would like to share a music conservatory/university where if you get accepted as a music performance major and therefore are probably awarded a nominal scholarship, you get in-state tuition, even if you are not a resident of that state. It is University of North Texas, which has one of the top music schools in the country.

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#504543 - 03/05/06 02:03 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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How hard is it to get in opus??

by the way is your name referring to Brahm's amazing opus by any chance

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#504544 - 03/05/06 01:24 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Heretic- careful with the word 'transfer-' I know what you really mean, but transferring usually refers to leaving in the middle of a degree, a few years into it, and finishing somewhere else, whereas Koji I believe just got a degree at Curtis and then went to Juilliard for graduate work.

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#504545 - 03/05/06 02:33 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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you're right shosti

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#504546 - 03/05/06 09:36 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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oh yes, Heretic. Opus 119 is my fav. Univ. of North Texas is not easy to get into. I think it depends on what major you are. They are No. 1 in Jazz in the country. But their classical music dept. is also very well respected and they have some great teachers. It is a huge school -- around 1,600 music majors! Yikes. So always something to listen to or a group to play in. My violinist son is most likely going to attend there, and he'll be paying what a Texas native pays. Pretty good deal!

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#504547 - 03/05/06 09:46 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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#504548 - 03/08/06 05:31 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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it looks like most of the top music schools are listed already...

but let's not forget some of these top notch professors who may not be at those world class institutes.

http://www.scu.edu/cas/music/facultyandstaff/hans_boepple.cfm - Hans Boepple at Santa Clara University

http://www.music.ucsb.edu/MusicFaculty/Asche01.htm
- Charles Asche at University of California, Santa Barbara

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#504549 - 03/10/06 05:12 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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How is Sarah Lawrence? Wesleyean? (2 on the top of my list right now)

Thanks for compiling this list.

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#504550 - 03/11/06 05:02 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Do you also have to learn other subject at conservatory, such as English, Maths, History, etc.? Wouldn't that be a lot and very difficult to combine?

What do you all have to learn at conservatory (weekly private lessons, theory, chamber music, and?)
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#504551 - 03/12/06 12:16 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Do you also have to learn other subject at conservatory, such as English, Maths, History, etc.? Wouldn't that be a lot and very difficult to combine?
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University of Michigan requires (for a piano performance major):

1 semester of College Writing (4 credits)
1 semester of Argumentative Writing (3-4 credits)
2 semesters of French, German, or Italian (8 credits)
At least 15 credits of other non-music courses
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#504552 - 03/12/06 11:32 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Most conservatories are making the requirements include what Sam said (more or less). Depends where you go really. Usually if you go to a school associated with a university you'll have to do courses that don't necessarily pertain to music.
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#504553 - 03/13/06 06:59 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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If the school meets state and national accredation for colleges and universities, then the academic course work is the same as for any other undergraduate degree. You will have to take credits in Math, English language, Sciences, Humanities, P.E, Liberal Arts, etc.
I went to a college and conservatory of music for my under grad degree, and had to take all of the above in addition to the core music program for music ed/piano performance, and that was back in 1982.
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#504554 - 03/13/06 07:23 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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It really varies from school to school. The best way to get a feel for what courses are required (both in music and general education courses) is to go to the conservatory or university website and search for the coursework for your particular instrument and degree path. A Bachelor of Music is very different from a Bachelor of Arts, for example.

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#504555 - 03/24/06 08:44 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Originally posted by Prophetic:
How is Sarah Lawrence? Wesleyean? (2 on the top of my list right now)

Thanks for compiling this list. [/b]
I applied and got into Cleveland, Indiana, Oberlin, Lawrence, Northern, and Wesleyan, and had about 1-2 teachers from each school to have a lesson with, and found by far my favorite at Illinois Wesleyan.

I am currently studying there now with Lawrence Campbell.

He is truly remarkable... as amazing of a teacher as a pianist! I see internationally renowned pianists come here and perform all the time, and I have not seen one concert as impressive or musical as his was last year. If you want to know more, e-mail me sranney@iwu.edu or kingsha@yahoo.com

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#504556 - 04/19/06 08:51 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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how about the Benjamin T. Rome School of music? One of their professors, Marilyn Neeley was a Cliburn and Geneva medalist.....I will be visiting there tomorrow

http://music.cua.edu/

Neeley:

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Marilyn Neeley (B.M., M.A., University of Southern California), professor of piano and faculty adviser in chamber music and vocal accompanying. Prize winner in the Van Cliburn, Leventritt, Michaels, and Geneva International Competitions with solo appearances with over one hundred symphony orchestras, including the Chicago Symphony, the Boston Symphony, and the Los Angeles Philharmonic. Recipient of the Outstanding Alumna of the School of Music and Distinguished Alumna of the University awards from the University of Southern California. Recent Convention Artist for the Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Georgia, Oregon, and Alabama State Music Teachers Associations. Recent lectures for Cleveland, Savannah, West Virginia, California, and Philadelphia Music Teachers Associations, Georgia Music Educators, and The Juilliard School. Recorded the complete Beethoven violin and piano sonatas with Robert Gerle and received an Emmy award for their videotape of these for Public Television. Released a compact disc of solo piano music of Brahms, Mozart, Debussy, and Liszt. Teaches on the summer faculty of Brevard Music Center in North Carolina.
And their Assistant Piano Professor

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Ivo Kaltchev (D.M.A. Rutgers University; M.M. Yale University; B.M., Sofia State Academy of Music; additional study at F. Liszt Hochschule für Musik, Weimar, Germany), assistant professor of piano. Adviser for the M.M. in Piano Performance degree program. Faculty member of the World Piano Pedagogy Conference. Visiting piano professor, China Conservatory of Music, Beijing, China. Bösendorfer artist. Prizewinner of international piano competitions in Italy, United States, and Bulgaria. Critically acclaimed recital and solo concerto appearances in leading musical centers throughout the world, including Lincoln Center’s Alice Tully Hall, Kennedy Center, Moscow Tchaikovsky Conservatory Hall, Beijing China Conservatory of Music, St. Petersburg State Philharmonic Hall, Warsaw National Philharmonic Hall, Tel Aviv Museum Recanati Auditorium, Mendelssohn Hochschule für Musik (Germany), Teatro di Verdi (Italy), Bulgaria Great Hall, Cooper Union Great Hall, and Richardson Auditorium of Princeton University. Performances at the Sofia Music Weeks International Festival, Toledo International Music Festival (Spain), First Mozart International Music Festival (Frankfurt, Germany), French Music Festival at Lincoln Center, and Rutgers SummerFest, and others. Has been a featured artist at New York’s WNYC and WQXR radio stations, Radio Free Europe, Radio Moscow, Bulgarian National TV and Radio, among many others. Has collaborated as a chamber musician with pianist Ilana Vered, tenor Frederick Urrey, Essex Quartet, and members of the New York Philharmonic, the Boston Symphony, the National Symphony Orchestra, and Royal Concertgebouw. Recording artist for the Bulgarian label GEGA NEW. Discography includes an all-Charles Griffes compact disc (hailed by the French magazine Diapason as “the most accomplished interpretation known until now”) and a compact disc with the world premiere of piano works by Florent Schmitt, in addition to other recordings for Yamaha Disklavier, MSF Records, and World Music Marimba labels. Recipient of pedagogy awards for teaching excellence from the Piano Teachers Society of America and the Princeton Steinway Society. Active as an adjudicator and has presented lectures, workshops, and master classes in Europe, China, Virgin Islands, and the United States. Has served on the faculties of Westminster Choir College, Sofia State Academy of Music, and Sofia State University (Bulgaria).

anyone know anything about the school?

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#504557 - 05/04/06 07:39 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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I taught at Wichita State and know several of the
instrumental faculty there. It is a fine department, but I would not call it prestigious. Julie Bees teaches piano there, a merititious pianist.
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#504558 - 05/26/06 01:26 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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#504559 - 06/05/06 09:42 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Westminster Choir College. http://www.rider.edu/westminster

It's got an accredited piano department. I don't know how it stacks up next to the other schools mentioned, but I think it has a decent reputation.

Pianojerome, great points! Some of your points are reasons that I am studying where I am.
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#504560 - 06/07/06 01:12 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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I am so surprised that the very best school is not part of any of your lists. The one that should have been the first Berklee College of Music. The very Best in the whole world
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#504561 - 06/17/06 01:04 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Just a quick note to correct the poster who said that 21 was the absolute cutoff age for Curtis applicants - that's not quite correct, as we do accept vocal students up to age 26, opera students and composers up to age 28, and several other instruments like organ, harp, viola, etc. at a slightly higher age bracket (age 23). Also, master degrees are offered in the opera department. Please refer to our catalogue for complete admission details, available as a PDF download from our site at www.curtis.edu.
If anyone has any Curtis-related questions, please feel free to either post them here in the forum or email me directly. I'm the Director of Student Recitals and Instrumental Accompaniment here at Curtis. Looking forward to making many of your acquaintances here on the forum!
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#504562 - 06/24/06 03:45 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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How old were you when Madame S. started torturing you there? Nine? \:D

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#504563 - 07/12/06 04:15 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Originally posted by computerpro3:
how about the Benjamin T. Rome School of music? One of their professors, Marilyn Neeley was a Cliburn and Geneva medalist.....I will be visiting there tomorrow

http://music.cua.edu/

Neeley:

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Marilyn Neeley (B.M., M.A., University of Southern California), professor of piano and faculty adviser in chamber music and vocal accompanying. Prize winner in the Van Cliburn, Leventritt, Michaels, and Geneva International Competitions with solo appearances with over one hundred symphony orchestras, including the Chicago Symphony, the Boston Symphony, and the Los Angeles Philharmonic. Recipient of the Outstanding Alumna of the School of Music and Distinguished Alumna of the University awards from the University of Southern California. Recent Convention Artist for the Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Georgia, Oregon, and Alabama State Music Teachers Associations. Recent lectures for Cleveland, Savannah, West Virginia, California, and Philadelphia Music Teachers Associations, Georgia Music Educators, and The Juilliard School. Recorded the complete Beethoven violin and piano sonatas with Robert Gerle and received an Emmy award for their videotape of these for Public Television. Released a compact disc of solo piano music of Brahms, Mozart, Debussy, and Liszt. Teaches on the summer faculty of Brevard Music Center in North Carolina.
And their Assistant Piano Professor

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Ivo Kaltchev (D.M.A. Rutgers University; M.M. Yale University; B.M., Sofia State Academy of Music; additional study at F. Liszt Hochschule für Musik, Weimar, Germany), assistant professor of piano. Adviser for the M.M. in Piano Performance degree program. Faculty member of the World Piano Pedagogy Conference. Visiting piano professor, China Conservatory of Music, Beijing, China. Bösendorfer artist. Prizewinner of international piano competitions in Italy, United States, and Bulgaria. Critically acclaimed recital and solo concerto appearances in leading musical centers throughout the world, including Lincoln Center’s Alice Tully Hall, Kennedy Center, Moscow Tchaikovsky Conservatory Hall, Beijing China Conservatory of Music, St. Petersburg State Philharmonic Hall, Warsaw National Philharmonic Hall, Tel Aviv Museum Recanati Auditorium, Mendelssohn Hochschule für Musik (Germany), Teatro di Verdi (Italy), Bulgaria Great Hall, Cooper Union Great Hall, and Richardson Auditorium of Princeton University. Performances at the Sofia Music Weeks International Festival, Toledo International Music Festival (Spain), First Mozart International Music Festival (Frankfurt, Germany), French Music Festival at Lincoln Center, and Rutgers SummerFest, and others. Has been a featured artist at New York’s WNYC and WQXR radio stations, Radio Free Europe, Radio Moscow, Bulgarian National TV and Radio, among many others. Has collaborated as a chamber musician with pianist Ilana Vered, tenor Frederick Urrey, Essex Quartet, and members of the New York Philharmonic, the Boston Symphony, the National Symphony Orchestra, and Royal Concertgebouw. Recording artist for the Bulgarian label GEGA NEW. Discography includes an all-Charles Griffes compact disc (hailed by the French magazine Diapason as “the most accomplished interpretation known until now”) and a compact disc with the world premiere of piano works by Florent Schmitt, in addition to other recordings for Yamaha Disklavier, MSF Records, and World Music Marimba labels. Recipient of pedagogy awards for teaching excellence from the Piano Teachers Society of America and the Princeton Steinway Society. Active as an adjudicator and has presented lectures, workshops, and master classes in Europe, China, Virgin Islands, and the United States. Has served on the faculties of Westminster Choir College, Sofia State Academy of Music, and Sofia State University (Bulgaria).

anyone know anything about the school? [/b]
Kalchev is good friends with my professor. I don't know much about him, but hear that he's a little odd...he's also apparently very close to his doctoral professor at yale, Boris Berman. So that connection is very powerful.

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#504564 - 07/20/06 11:37 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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How does Chicago College of the Performing arts rank?????????? the CCPA

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#504565 - 07/20/06 11:44 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Originally posted by JOEJAZZ:
I am so surprised that the very best school is not part of any of your lists. The one that should have been the first Berklee College of Music. The very Best in the whole world [/b]
Right on Joejazz. I'm a graduate from 1976 with a degree in composition. Berklee is indeed a fine school, and not limited to jazz alone. As part of my degree program, my graduation portfolio contained many chorales, madrigals, motets, fugues, a piano sonata, a full orchestral piece and numerous other classical works in addition to all of my small, mid and large ensemble jazz creations.

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#504566 - 07/23/06 11:29 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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what are the most inspiring professors in the schools like Yale, Indiana, Eastman or Peabody?
What are you guys opinions?
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#504567 - 07/29/06 06:05 AM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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Boris Berman at Yale... Menahem Pressler at Indiana... Nelita True at Eastman... Leon Fleisher at Peabody... no?

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#504568 - 07/29/06 02:23 PM Re: Music Schools/Conservatories in the US
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IC. THx. BUt I always think that people go to Yale because of Professor Claude Frank~ I like Pressler too. But I have also heard of Andre Watts teaching at Indiana...
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