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#521756 - 01/02/08 08:54 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I'll give it a try. Using different genres. These are not in any particular order:

1. Mozart - The Marriage of Figaro. I think this is the perfect opera.

2. Brahms - A German Requiem. Sublime.

3. Mahler - Symphony No. 2. Enough said, in my opinion.

4. Beethoven - Symphony No. 7. From the opening A major chord with the suspended oboe note until the frenzied conclusion, this is just about perfection.

5. OK. A piano work. If I absolutely had to pick, I would go with Chopin's 4th Ballade. Every time I look at that piece I see something new and wonderful.

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#521757 - 01/02/08 09:02 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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For any medium?
Here's my attempted list:
For Symphony: Beethoven's No. 9 (by this time Ludwig's symphonic writing and vision were completely matched, and whose influence continues throughout the centuries)
For Chorus w/ Orchestra: Bach's St. Matthew Passion (a masterpiece of liturgical drama and choral writing--from massive choruses to intimate solos)
For Solo Concerto: Brahms Piano Concerto #2 (whose 4 movements embody almost every element of the piano concerto begun by Mozart and continued by Beethoven, Schumann, Chopin, etc.)
For Opera: Wagner's Ring (since it was envisioned as a total trilogy with an introductory Opera (much like Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit". But if one is doing a singular work, it would be Mozart's "Marriage of Figaro" (a masterpiece of comic opera, with overtones of class struggle, humanity and poignancy to boot).
For Chamber Music: Schubert's String Quintet in C Major (just pure genius in string writing and voicing).
Finally for Solo Instrumental: amongst the many piano pieces, it is just impossible to pick. But I go back to Bach: The Goldbergs (he found so much variety in those 30 pieces and it is structured so wonderfully with a strict canon after every 2nd variation). Or for solo organ, the Pasacaglia and Fugue in C minor.
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#521758 - 01/04/08 03:00 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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1. W.A. Mozart's Ave Verum Corpus, simply one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Simple but just absolutely breathtaking.

2. J. S. Bach's Mass in B Minor; I'm personally a big fan of choral music and this has got to be the best.

3. Mozart's Piano Concertos, mainly his mature Viennese ones. Probably no. 17 in G Major to pick a specific one.

4. And of course L.v. Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Absolute perfection in every movement in every bar of music.

5. Being a big Mozart fan I can't bare to pass up his music and must pick a third one to listen to. I would pick his Clarinet Concerto for, just like the 'Ave Verum Corpus', is simple but also very sweet. The middle movement is definately a tear-dropper so it's worth the whole concerto just for that.

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#521759 - 01/04/08 04:53 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Beethoven Symphony No. 5
Bach Chaconne AND/OR Bach-Busoni Chaconne
Mozart Requiem
Beethoven Op. 111
And this piece, though I have absolutely no idea what it is: Click here .
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#521760 - 01/04/08 05:33 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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op30no3:
And this piece, though I have absolutely no idea what it is[/b]

Nice. The intro sounds English, early to mid twentieth century (minor key and modal-like atmosphere, mixed in with a bit of German Romanticism, especially horn/bassoon/strings parts). As the choir entered I became a bit more unsure, as the character seemed to change somewhat... So I've no idea either, but I reckon Jason(Argerichfan) could be the man to solve the puzzle \:\)

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#521761 - 01/04/08 05:39 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Yes, the parts with choir do seem to have a very different character to them, especially the climax at the end--wow.

I was hoping Jason might know, too. We'll see.
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#521762 - 01/04/08 05:57 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Bach - Matthew Passion
Bach - Toccata & Fugue in d minor
Satie - Gymnopedies/Gnossienes
Duke Ellington - Day dream
Schumann - Mignon

and many more.....
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#521763 - 01/04/08 10:57 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Quoting Michael: "So I've no idea either, but I reckon Jason could be the man to solve the puzzle .

Quoting Brendan:"I was hoping Jason might know, too. We'll see."

My sincere apologies gentlemen, I listened but could not identify it. But I will tell you one thing: it is not British, nor -by proxy- Anglican. No way. The musical language is something very faceless.

Funny thing though... just the other day I had the sad experience of hearing Puccini's Symphonic Prelude in A. What a piece of utter rubbish -a terribly early work- a valiant attempt to rewrite the "Intermezzo" from Cavalleria.

But then look what happened? The one trick Mascagni be damned. Puccini subsequently came online and rules[/b] in La Boheme.

Sort of makes Wagner's prudish moments in Tristan rather inconsequential. At least if one is looking for the real thing...
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#521764 - 01/04/08 11:14 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Hi... Jason again. I'm listening to Pavarotti in La Boheme.

2007 saw the loss of the greatest operatic tenor on the planet.
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#521765 - 01/05/08 05:44 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Just 5? Oh my....

My absolute favourite:
1- F. Smetana: Ma Vlast (Moldau)

The other 4 may change every moment:
2- R. Wagner: Gotterdämmerung
3- K. Orff: Carmina Burana
4- Beethoven: Piano Concerto 4
5- Mozart: Requiem

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#521766 - 01/05/08 07:45 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Piano pieces - no order:

1. Ballade no. 1 - Chopin
2. Sonata Pahetique - Beethoven
3. 3rd Piano Concerto - Rachmaninoff
4. La campanella - Liszt
5. 3rd Sonata - Chopin

Other pieces, not just for piano that are particually fantastic:

- Nessun Dorma
- La Donne a Mobile
- O Sole Mio
- La Boheme

- Just about any Joplin Rag
- Beethoven's 5th and 9th

ARGGGG There's to many, I may as well just say, "anything Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin," ;\)


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PS - No ones said "chopsticks" yet \:D
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#521767 - 01/05/08 10:16 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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op30no3, how did you come about that mystery piece? Did someone email you the track or something?
I don't recognize it either, but I'm willing to guess that it is someone either German or very influenced by the the latter half of German romanticism. It shows the influence of Brahms here and there, so my first guess would be that it's Dvorak (who one writer on music described as "like Brahms, but somewhat more colourful"). My second guess would be Parry, also very influenced by Brahms.
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#521768 - 01/05/08 12:37 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
My second guess would be Parry, also very influenced by Brahms.
I highly doubt that. Parry, for all his Brahmsian moments, does speak with an individual voice, and the choral works of his I've heard inhabit an identifiable sound world.

Methinks Parry underrated, though I may just be biased. He wrote a lot of interesting music besides I was glad and Jerusalem.
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#521769 - 01/05/08 12:45 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Well, I defer to your judgement, argerichfan. BTW I just listened to Parry's second and it's really quite well done and very Brahmsian. I'm just trying to think of composers who were influenced by Brahms to the extent the mystery piece shows, and Parry certainly fits that list. Hmm, two other possibilities are Bruch (maybe) or Tovey (more likely). Speaking of Sir Donald Francis, have you listened to his Piano Concerto? A very fine work and a great favorite of mine.
It might not be Dvorak after all -- I just reviewed the Requiem and the Stabat Mater and the 149th Psalm and it's not any of those (or the Te Deum obviously). Unless there are other Dvorak choral works I don't know of. I really like musical mysteries like this...
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#521770 - 01/05/08 12:52 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
Speaking of Sir Donald Francis, have you listened to his Piano Concerto? A very fine work and a great favorite of mine.
Yes, a wonderful work! I once heard a performance of his Clarinet Sonata- could have been by Sir John Brahms. And someday, I must locate a score to his opera The Bride of Dionysus. It just sounds like too much fun.

I've always used Tovey's edition of the Beethoven sonatas.
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#521771 - 01/05/08 04:36 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
op30no3, how did you come about that mystery piece? Did someone email you the track or something?
I don't recognize it either, but I'm willing to guess that it is someone either German or very influenced by the the latter half of German romanticism. It shows the influence of Brahms here and there, so my first guess would be that it's Dvorak (who one writer on music described as "like Brahms, but somewhat more colourful"). My second guess would be Parry, also very influenced by Brahms. [/b]
I found it on classicalarchives.com incorrectly labeled as Rachmaninoff's Utyos (The Rock). It is, of course, not that piece--The Rock is not even a choral piece. I often hear chords from the piece when listening to Brahms, so I was thinking along the same lines of you and Jason. I will look into Parry, Tovey, Bruch and Dvorak's choral work and see what turns up.
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#521772 - 01/05/08 05:35 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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op30no3, I have it! It's the first movement of Taneyev's "John of Damascus", an opus 1, believe it or not!
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#521773 - 01/05/08 05:43 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
op30no3, I have it! It's the first movement of Taneyev's "John of Damascus", an opus 1, believe it or not!
Wow, how did you find out?

Well at least I was correct that it wasn't British.
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#521774 - 01/05/08 05:44 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Oh my God! That's it! I cannot thank you enough! I have been looking for that for years!
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#521775 - 01/05/08 05:54 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by argerichfan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
op30no3, I have it! It's the first movement of Taneyev's "John of Damascus", an opus 1, believe it or not!
Wow, how did you find out?

Well at least I was correct that it wasn't British. [/b]
The mislabeling of it as Rachmaninov made me think that it came from a CD which contains a Rachmaninov work, so I thought another Russian composer would most likely be coupled. I then remembered my experience of sightreading Taneyev's Suite for Violin and Orchestra with a violinist acquaintance of mine years ago, and remembered that it was rather Brahmsian. I put it all together, sampled some of Taneyev's choral works on the web (not many available, of course), and Eureka!
Man, I love these musical mysteries, especially when I'm successful. Not the first time I've done something like this (sorry for bragging!), but it's so fun!
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#521776 - 01/05/08 05:57 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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The wikipedia article on Taneyev does state that "his style could be said to reflect the European, and especially German, orientation of the Moscow Conservatory, rather than the Russian nationalist outlook of the school of Mily Balakirev.

I think it was the modal string intro that sounded twentieth century English to me.


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#521777 - 01/05/08 08:29 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Alkan - Concerto for Solo Piano

Just epic. Pure perfection.

Ravel - Tzigane

Liszt - Sonata

Bach - WTC(sorta cheating, but hey, it's epic)

Beethoven - op. 53, op. 106, op.55 (can't decide!)
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#521778 - 01/05/08 09:10 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Ok, since this thread has basically been resurrected, I suppose I'll post.

In no particular order:
1. Scriabin Sonata No. 4 in F# Major
2. Scriabin Mysterium
3. Busoni Piano Concerto
4. Alkan Concerto for Solo Piano
5. Beethoven Sonata No. 32

Hard to pick 5, I suppose these are 5 that I listen to the most frequently as of NOW. It will change in the future.

A couple pieces that should get honorable mention are:

1. Beethoven Sonata No. 29
2. Beethoven Sonata No. 30
3. Scriabin Danses Op. 73
4. Scharwenka Piano Concerto No. 4
5. Messiaen Turangalila Symphony
6. Scriabin Vers La Flamme
7. Scriabin Sonata No. 7
8. Scriabin Sonata No. 1
9. Scriabin Sonata No. 2

Yes, I am a Scriabin fanatic. It's too bad he's not yet considered one of the greats among the non-musician crowd.
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#521779 - 01/05/08 09:53 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I'm also thinking that I would like to include the Chopin Nocturnes as a whole...
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#521780 - 01/05/08 10:00 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Jeff135:
Ok, since this thread has basically been resurrected, I suppose I'll post.
[/b]
Haha, I didn't even notice it had been resurrected!

I suspected it, but checking the dates, it seemed good(early January), but I missed the year! \:D

Glad to see you supporting the Alkan.
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#521781 - 01/05/08 11:28 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Jeff135:
Ok, since this thread has basically been resurrected, I suppose I'll post.

Busoni Piano Concerto
Alkan Concerto for Solo Piano
Certainly no arguments there. With due respect to Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms and Liszt, the Busoni is the summit of piano concertos.
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A couple pieces that should get honorable mention are:

Scharwenka Piano Concerto No. 4
Messiaen Turangalila Symphony
I've listened to all of the Scharwenka piano concertos and I really have come to prefer the 1st. As for the Messiaen, well okay. But one of the five greatest pieces ever?

You really should investigate the organ music. There you will find the essence of Messiaen's genius.
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#521782 - 01/06/08 12:03 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I've been researching this Taneyev fellow. He was a student, friend and advisor to Tchaikovsky. Turns out he taught at the Moscow Conservatory a long time and ended up teaching Scriabin, Rachmaninoff and Medtner. He wrote a huge treatise on counterpoint called "Imitative Counterpoint in Strict Style" or "Convertible Counterpoint in Strict Style." Looking for this book, it seems to be very rare--a translation of it is in one of the special collections of the Library of Congress. Good news is: my school library has it! Maybe I'll try to read it and see some of the teaching that Scriabin and Rachmaninoff got. Got to love Sibley...
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#521783 - 01/06/08 12:45 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by argerichfan:

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A couple pieces that should get honorable mention are:

Scharwenka Piano Concerto No. 4
Messiaen Turangalila Symphony
I've listened to all of the Scharwenka piano concertos and I really have come to prefer the 1st. As for the Messiaen, well okay. But one of the five greatest pieces ever?

You really should investigate the organ music. There you will find the essence of Messiaen's genius. [/QB]
Really? I've heard both the 1st and the 4th and I prefer the 4th. But that's just me.

About the Messiaen pieces, certainly his organ pieces are great as well (given that he was after all an organist).

With Messiaen, I was looking for specific pieces, and this isn't a complete list of pieces I enjoy at all. If I did that, the list would be much too long to post here on this message board. I think it would be impossible, in fact, given that my tastes and preferences in music change almost daily.

And, yes, I love the Turangalila Symphony. His absolute greatest work? Perhaps not. Then again, I don't think that question can be answered. But, in my opinion, one of his greatest works? I think so.
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#521784 - 01/06/08 04:57 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Most people don't know this, but Mozes (who later became Mozart) received three stone tablets on the Mount Sinai, not two. The third stone tablet, now forever lost, contained in its inscriptions the names of the five greatest musical compositions of all time. Unfortunately for us, only one of them was from planet Earth, namely, Missa Solemnis (Beethoven).

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#521785 - 01/06/08 10:13 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Now that I've finished playing musical sleuth (until the next mystery presents itself), I suppose I should chime in. Hmm, this is of course highly subjective, so what I'll do is name what I consider the greatest work of my five favorite composers:

Bach: The Art of Fugue
Mozart: The Marriage of Figaro
Beethoven: String Quartet in C# minor Op. 131
Brahms: Symphony No. 4
Schoenberg: Moses and Aron

Wow, only one keyboard work. That surprises me too.
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