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#521696 - 12/31/06 03:45 PM Five greatest pieces ever
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I'd like to know what all the pianists on here consider to be the five greatest works ever written for any medium.

Here's my list.

Beethoven: Symphony No. 9
Mahler Symphony No. 9
Handel: The Messiah
Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto
Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3

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#521697 - 12/31/06 04:08 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I can't choose, but i sat thru all of Handel's Messiah in Carnegie Hall, and I couldn't say that its up there. Half of the people left after the last part of Section 2 (the Haleluja thing)

The only reason i didn't fall asleep is because we stopped by starbucks on the way there.

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#521698 - 12/31/06 04:27 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Not entirely sure that the Rachmaninoff 3rd should be up there. I'd personally replace that with the Rachmaninoff 2nd.
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#521699 - 12/31/06 06:45 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Purely based on their aesthetic qualities (and my preferences...!)

Britten - War Requiem
Rautavaara - Cantus Arcticus
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
Sondheim - Sweeney Todd
Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring

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#521700 - 12/31/06 07:22 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Most irritating songs that you hear in a piano store:

1.) Sarah Hale: Mary Had a Little Lamb
2.) Ludwig Van Beethoven: Fur Elise
3.) Euphonia Allen (under the pseudonym Arthur DiLulli): Chopsticks
4.) Frank Loesser: Heart and Soul
5.) Paul S. Boyer: Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition.
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#521701 - 12/31/06 07:25 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I agree 100% with Jeff135.
I consider Rach 2 a unique masterpiece, while Rach 3 sounds more.. hah how can I say without offending Rach.. \:D

My list: (it will probably change in 2 minutes)

MOZART - Requiem
RACHMANINOV - Piano concerto no.2
TCHAIKOVSKY - Romeo and Juliet
TCHAIKOVSKY - Piano Concerto no.1
RAVEL - Gaspard de la Nuit

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#521702 - 12/31/06 07:33 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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The true answer? Here:

Tristan und Isolde;
Parsifal;
Wagner, no, no;
"Hammerklavier";
Don Giovanni;
Sonata in B minor.

(A rather boring list, in a way... but what can I do?)

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#521703 - 12/31/06 07:35 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Hey, I'll replace X with Kreisleriana...

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#521704 - 12/31/06 08:14 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Beethoven symphony 3
Beethoven piano concerto 4
Beethoven voilin concerto
Beethoven piano sonata op.106
Beethoven string quartet op.132

sorry, no room for others now...

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#521705 - 12/31/06 08:50 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Another list:
Beethoven sypmhony 9
Mozart requiem
Rachmaninov PC 2
Prokofiev sonata 7
Ravel Tzigane (violin and orchestra)

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#521706 - 12/31/06 09:17 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Had to make 7 cus these are all tied for the greatest, there's no way for me to break it down any more:
Mozart Requiem
Bach B minor mass
Handel Messiah
Cherubini Requiem
Brahms German Requiem
Beethoven Missa Solemnis
Mozart Mass in C minor

is there a pattern here? lol

hamus I like your choice of Kreisleriana though

and next 5 runners up are:

Brahms 4th symphony
Mozart Coronation Mass
Brahms 1st Piano Concerto
Beethoven 5th Piano Concerto
Brahms F minor Piano Quintet
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#521707 - 12/31/06 09:31 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I think Rach 2 is definitely "prettier" than Rach 3, but I think the 3rd is a superior piece as far as flow, theme development, and final impact go. Pieces that barely missed my list were:

Beethoven 4th piano concerto
Wagner Tristan and Isolde
Bach Passion of St. Matthew
Brahms Requiem
Mahler's 5th Symphony
Schumann Phantasie
Liszt Sonata in B minor

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#521708 - 01/01/07 01:19 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Liszt b minor sonata
Beethoven Sonata in C minor Op.111
Mozart Requiem
Brahms Concerto no.2 in Bb
Ravel Tzigane
Bach Well-Tempered Clavier
Prokofiev Concerto no.2 in G minor, Op.16
Beethoven Concerto no.4 in G
Schumann Fantasy, Op.17
Chopin Sonata no.3
Chopin Ballade no.4

so many...
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#521709 - 01/01/07 04:46 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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 Quote:
Originally posted by signa:

sorry, no room for others now...
Evidently ... ;\)
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#521710 - 01/01/07 04:57 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Forced to choose just five, here goes:

Beethoven- Symphony 9
Wagner- Gotterdamerung
Schumann- Fantasie in C
Bach- Passacaglia & Fugue in C minor
Elgar- Dream of Gerontius
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#521711 - 01/01/07 04:58 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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1 cave man dude - ray me far
2 cave man dudes cave chick - so lah te
3 cave man dudes agent - doh (agents always focus on doh)
4 bach - the next development in music. We owe it all to him
5 if one looks at the non classical forum you will see that "Let it Be" by one Paul Mc Cartney is a quite possibly the best tune ever.

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#521712 - 01/01/07 05:11 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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How could I forgot Schoenberg - Verklachte Nacht (spelling?)

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#521713 - 01/01/07 06:12 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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 Quote:
Originally posted by ecm:
How could I forgot Schoenberg - Verklachte Nacht (spelling?)
Yeah, that's a pretty cool piece. Can anyone make any sense of the post above yours, ecm?
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#521714 - 01/01/07 06:14 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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sorry, double post.
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#521715 - 01/01/07 06:20 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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This is hard.
Shostakovich - Violin Concerto Nº1
Arvo Pärt - Festina lente and Cantus in the memory of Benjamin Britten
Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring
Bartók - Music for Strings,Percussion and Celesta

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#521716 - 01/01/07 10:32 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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As the posts here so nicely illustrate, the "five greatest pieces ever" have different faces and names depending on the ears and brains on the receiving end. And I bet many would have a somewhat different list next year, and the year after...

This is one of the great things about what we call "art" (for lack of a better word): it speaks differently to different people at different times and in different ways--in other words, it is almost infinitely varied, even when nothing concrete has actually changed (same notes on the page, for example...) I know some people get all up in arms at "Top 10" lists and the like, but I think it's kind of cool that you can have a sincere personal top five that might include 200 or 300 pieces over the course of a lifetime!
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#521717 - 01/01/07 10:34 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by ecm:
Can anyone make any sense of the post above yours, ecm? [/b]
Yes, I think AJB's top five come from '60's, and he still has a stash.
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#521718 - 01/02/07 04:51 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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 Quote:
Originally posted by HammerHead:
Yes, I think AJB's top five come from '60's, and he still has a stash.
Oh, so that's where this is all coming from. (Perhaps I need to ask my mum for '60's clarification... but she was more into Cream and that stuff.)

But we need to go easy on the old burned-out classical music hippies. They really thought serialism was the wave of the future. They wrote volumes attesting to the apparent fact that Mahler's Das Lied was supposed to be the birth of "modern music". Good grief: Mahler, a 19th century poseur as a 20th century visionary. Will wonders ever cease?

These same people said Elgar was a relic of Colonel Blimp and Empire. My, the axes that must be grinded at all costs, reality be damned.
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#521719 - 01/02/07 06:42 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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To me the greatest piece ever is often the the one I just listened to....

So the concert-year 2006 both as listener and choir-singer gave me 5 heights:

Joseph Rheinberger: Stabat Mater
Egil Hovland: "Du såg mig"
J.S. Bach: Motet: "Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied"
W.A. Mozart: Pianoconcert 23 (A major)
Edvard Grieg : Ballade G minor (piano)

(and then I would have liked to add Chopin's Eminor piano concert, Faure's Siciliano, Mozarts Missa Brevis (Gmajor), Mahlers 5th symphony....and all other wonderful music I have heard live this year.)

Ecm : I think it spells "Verklärte Nacht" (Some years since I heard this piece - it is like a key to your hidden sorrows)

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#521720 - 01/02/07 08:29 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Setting aside such things as most popular pieces, or most seminal influence on other composers, I'll stay simply with those compositions that have the greatest emotional impact on me.

Chopin - 3rd Sonata
Puccini - La Boheme
Schubert - Der Wintereisse
Richard Strauss - Der Rosenkavelier
Verdi - Requiem

Now for some runners-up in no particular order

Handel - Messiah
Cantaloube - Songs of the Auvergne
Orff - Carmina Burana
Rossini - Barber of Seville
Gilbert & Sullivan - Iolanthe
Mahler - 8th Symphony
Faure - Requiem
Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
Tchaikovsky - Swan Lake
Resphigi - Pines of Rome
Johann Strauss - Die Fledermaus
Wager - Das Reingold
Rodgers - Oklahoma
Copland - Rodeo
Bach - St. Matthew Passion
Beethoven - any string quartet, plus the quartet from Fidelio
Mozart - too difficult to choose

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#521721 - 01/02/07 08:38 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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 Quote:
Originally posted by USAPianoTrucker:
Most irritating songs that you hear in a piano store:

1.) Sarah Hale: Mary Had a Little Lamb
2.) Ludwig Van Beethoven: Fur Elise
3.) Euphonia Allen (under the pseudonym Arthur DiLulli): Chopsticks
4.) Frank Loesser: Heart and Soul
5.) Paul S. Boyer: Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition. [/b]
You mean that someone actually admitted to "composing" Chopsticks?? Well I never! \:D \:D
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#521722 - 01/02/07 09:45 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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1. Linus and Lucy
2. Spongbob square pants theme song (aye aye captine)
3. Your Song - Elton John
4. Hanon Exercise #7
5. The Mario theme played by a blindfolded kid.
\:D \:D

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#521723 - 01/02/07 01:13 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I'm going to pick my favorite of the more popular pieces:

1. Debussy - Clair de Lune
2. Beethoven - Appassionata
3. Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto no2
4. Brahms - Violin concerto
5. Brahms - Variations/Fugue on a theme by Handel (just because I wanted to include it not because it's overly popular)

Really hard to pick 5. I limited to classical only.

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#521724 - 01/02/07 08:06 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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1. Liszt Ballade No. 2
2. Rach 2
3. Mozart 20
4. Beethoven Appassionata
5. Liszt Mephisto Waltz

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#521725 - 01/03/07 12:21 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Schuetz: Musicalische Exeguien
Bach: Mattaus-Passion
Haydn: Schoepfung
Mozart: Don Giovanni
Beethoven: 9th symphony
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#521726 - 01/04/07 08:29 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Lol... that's a very difficult one to choose...

Liszt - Sonata
Liszt - Paganini etudes
Rachmaninoff - THIRD concerto
Rachmaninoff - Moments musicaux
Bach-Busoni - Chaconne
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Yes, of course many others, including:
Beethoven - 4th concerto, Brahms - both piano concertos AND the violin concerto, Liszt - piano concertos, Dante sonata, Mazeppa (symphonic poem), Wagner - Rheingold...
I can't count them all, alright? =}

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#521727 - 01/06/07 10:13 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Schumann piano Concerto a minor
Brahms op 118
Schubert Wanderer Fantasy
Debussy L'isle Joyeux
Beethoven op 110
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#521728 - 01/08/07 01:49 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Wagner Tristan
Liszt Mazeppa
B minor mass Bach
B minor Sonata Liszt
Handel's Messiah
Verdi Requiem
Brahms Requiem
Brahms Symphony No. 1

Are among my favorite pieces.
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#521729 - 01/09/07 08:14 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Are you forgetting the perennial favorite which is

Lean on Me - Bill Withers?

I'm trying to
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#521730 - 01/09/07 09:24 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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#521731 - 01/09/07 09:38 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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The statistics makes this really interesting, so since I answered the wrong questions last time I will enter the IMO greatest pieces ever[/b] .
I hope many others will keep BruceD occupied with changing the statistics.... \:D

Beethoven: Violin Concerto
Rachmaninov: 2. piano-concert
Bach: Brandenburger concert no 2
Mozart: Piano concert no 23
Handel: Messias


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#521732 - 01/09/07 04:24 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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#521733 - 01/09/07 04:48 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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 Quote:
Originally posted by dnephi:
Wagner Tristan
Liszt Mazeppa
B minor mass Bach
B minor Sonata Liszt
Handel's Messiah
Verdi Requiem
Brahms Requiem
Brahms Symphony No. 1

Are among my favorite pieces. [/b]
Ok then make my 5 votes:
B minor Sonata Liszt
Handel's Messiah
Verdi Requiem
B minor mass Bach
Brahms Symphony No. 1

P.S. to anyone who chose the Busoni transcription of the Chaconne, I suggest hearing the original. I strongly prefer it.
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#521734 - 01/09/07 05:13 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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What are the numbers next to your suggestions BruceD?

I first thought it was the number of the movement until i found 6 next to Rachmaninoff's concerto.

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Bach : Brandenburg Concerto No 2 – 1,
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One of my favorite pieces of music of all time!

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#521735 - 01/09/07 07:37 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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 Quote:
Originally posted by BruceD:
Revised :

Elgar : Dream of Gerontius
I didn't expect to see that[/b] one up on anybody's list, but it is certainly on my[/b] list.
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#521736 - 01/09/07 08:00 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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What are the numbers next to your suggestions BruceD?

I first thought it was the number of the movement until i found 6 next to Rachmaninoff's concerto.

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Originally posted by BruceD:
Revised :
Bach : Brandenburg Concerto No 2 – 1,
[/b]
One of my favorite pieces of music of all time! [/b]
Those are the number of votes each piece has received. At last count, according to this poll, the Rachmaninoff Second Piano Concerto is the greatest piece ever written!! Actually, no, it isn't. It's just the most popular, so far.

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#521737 - 01/09/07 08:05 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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#521738 - 01/09/07 11:23 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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My list:

Opera, Verdi, Otello or Falstaff.
Lieder, Schubert, Winterreise
Orchestra, chorus and SATB, Beethoven, Missa Solemnis
Symphony, Brahms 4th
chamber music, Schubert, quintet (in c minor, I think).

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#521739 - 01/09/07 11:30 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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 Quote:
Originally posted by tomasino:
My list:
chamber music, Schubert, quintet (in c minor, I think).

C major actually. Sorry, tomasino, don't get angry at me. I love that piece and I'm only giving you a...

Your admiration of Schubert is never in doubt and seconded here. \:D
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#521740 - 01/10/07 09:10 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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A more-or-less alphabetic list of “greatest” pieces and number of votes received.

Revision 3 :

Bach : Brandenburg Concerto No 2 – 1,
Bach : Mass in b minor – 1,
Bach : Passacaglia and Fugue in c minor – 1,
Bach : St Matthew Passion – 1,
Bach-Busoni : Chaconne – 1,
Bartók : Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste – 1,
Beethoven : Missa Solemnis – 2,
Beethoven : Piano Concerto No 3 in c minor, Op 37 – 1,
Beethoven : Piano Concerto No 4 in G major, Op 58 – 1,
Beethoven : Piano Sonata No 23 in f minor, Op 57: “Appassionata” – 2,
Beethoven : Piano Sonata No 29 in Bflat major, Op 106: “Hammerklavier” – 2,
Beethoven : Piano Sonata No 31 in Aflat major, Op 110 – 1,
Beethoven : Piano Sonata no 32 in c minor, Op 111 – 1,
Beethoven : String Quartet, Op 132 – 1,
Beethoven : Symphony No 3 in Eb major, Op 55, “Eroica” – 1,
Beethoven : Symphony No 9 in d minor, Op 125 – 4,
Beethoven : Violin Concerto in D major – 2,
Brahms : Piano Concerto No 2 – 1,
Brahms : Piano Pieces, Op 118 – 1,
Brahms : German Requiem – 1,
Brahms : Symphony No 1 – 1,
Brahms : Symphony No 4 – 1,
Brahms : Variations and Fugue on a Theme by Handel – 1,
Brahms : Violin Concerto – 1,
Britten : War Requiem – 1,
Cherubini : Requiem – 1,
Chopin : Ballade No 4 – 1,
Chopin : Piano Sonata No 3 – 2,
Debussy : Clair de Lune – 1,
Debussy : L’isle joyeuse – 1,
Elgar : Dream of Gerontius – 1,
Handel : Messiah – 4,
Haydn : The Creation – 1,
Liszt : Ballade No 2 – 1,
Liszt : Paganini Etudes – 1,
Liszt : Mephisto Waltz – 1,
Liszt : Sonata in b minor – 4,
Mahler : Symphony No 9 – 1,
Mingus : The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady – 1,
Mozart : Don Giovanni – 2,
Mozart : Mass in c minor, “Great” KV427 – 1,
Mozart : Piano Concerto No 20 in C major – 1,
Mozart : Piano Concerto No 23 in A major – 1,
Mozart : Requiem – 4,
Pärt : Festina Lente and Cantus in Memory of Benjamin Britten
Prokofiev : Piano Concerto No 2 – 1,
Prokofiev : Piano Sonata No 7 – 1,
Puccini : La Bohème – 1,
Raatavaara : Cantus Arcticus – 1,
Rachmaninoff : Moments Musicaux – 1,
Rachmaninoff : Piano Concerto No 2 in c minor, Op 18 – 6,
Rachmaninoff : Piano Concerto No 3 in d minor, Op 30 – 2,
Ravel : Gaspard de la Nuit – 1,
Ravel : Tzigane – 1,
Schoenberg : Verklarte Nacht – 1,
Schubert : String Quintet in C major, D956 – 1,
Schubert : Wanderer Fantasy – 1,
Schubert : Die Winterreise – 2,
Schumann : Fantasy – 2,
Schumann : Kreisleriana – 1,
Schumann : Piano Concerto – 1,
Schütz : Musicalische Exeguien – 1,
Shostakovich : Violin Concerto No 1 – 1,
Sondheim : Sweeney Todd – 1,
Strauss : Der Rosenkavalier – 1,
Stravinsky : Rite of Spring – 2,
Tchaikovsky : Romeo and Juliet – 1,
Tchaikovsky : Piano Concerto No 1 – 1,
Tchaikovsky : Violin Concerto – 1,
Verdi : Requiem – 2,
Wagner : Götterdamerung – 1,
Wagner : Tristan und Isolde – 2,
Wagner : Parsifal – 1,
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#521741 - 01/10/07 09:44 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Amongst a plethora of favourites, here are five musical works of whose beauty and genius I never tire:

Bach - St John's Passion
Beethoven - Piano Sonata Op109
Mahler - 6th Symphony
Stravinsky - Rite of Spring
Ravel - String Quartet

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#521742 - 01/10/07 11:28 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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five greatest PIANO pieces in my mind:

Beethoven - Piano Concert No. 5 (Emperor)
Schubert - Piano Sonata D960 (his last)
Liszt - Sonata in B Minor
Bach - Goldberg Variations
Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto No. 2

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#521743 - 01/12/07 02:08 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Beethoven: Symphony No. 9
Overrated.
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Mahler Symphony No. 9
Okay but not the best ever.
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Handel: The Messiah
Most overrated musical work ever.
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Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto
Okay but not the best ever
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Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3
Most difficult yes, best no.
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#521744 - 01/12/07 12:37 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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A little surprised not to see any love yet for Beethoven's 7th.

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#521745 - 01/12/07 01:14 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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i love Beethoven 7th, but his 3rd is ranked higher and i only had 5 choices.

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#521746 - 01/12/07 04:01 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I missed the poster who choose "Sweeney Todd"
Bravo--now that's really cutting edge music!
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#521747 - 01/12/07 04:13 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I missed the poster who choose "Sweeney Todd"
Bravo--now that's really cutting edge music!
Indeed, barbers can be very cutting edge. Sorry, couldn't resist. \:D
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#521748 - 01/12/07 04:23 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I'm surprised Beethoven's 3rd symphony was mwntioned only twice. I think there are two types of music; music before the 3rd, and music after the 3rd. In terms of hisrorical importance the 3rd probably surpasses all other works by any composer.
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#521749 - 01/12/07 07:49 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Requiem Aeternam:
Had to make 7 cus these are all tied for the greatest, there's no way for me to break it down any more:
Mozart Requiem
Bach B minor mass
Handel Messiah
Cherubini Requiem
Brahms German Requiem
Beethoven Missa Solemnis
Mozart Mass in C minor

is there a pattern here? lol

hamus I like your choice of Kreisleriana though

and next 5 runners up are:

Brahms 4th symphony
Mozart Coronation Mass
Brahms 1st Piano Concerto
Beethoven 5th Piano Concerto
Brahms F minor Piano Quintet [/b]
we are in much agreement (altho i'm not much of a Brahms fan)
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#521750 - 01/12/07 11:05 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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My favourites, in alphabetical Order:

Bach - B minor Mass ("Kyrie" & "Dona nobis pacem")
Beethoven - Sonata 27 (Op. 90)
Boccherini - Cello Concerto in B-flat (2nd mov.)
Orlando Di Lasso - Missa Bell' Amfitrit' altera
Monteverdi - "Pur ti Miro"


Off the charts: "Cuchi" Leguizamón - Zamba de Juan Panadero

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#521751 - 01/01/08 08:26 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Bach - Goldberg Variations
Mozart - Fantasia and Sonata in C minor, K. 457
Schumann - Fantasy, op. 17
Prokofiev - Sonata no. 8 in B-flat major, op. 84
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#521752 - 01/01/08 08:30 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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#521753 - 01/01/08 09:33 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by HammerHead:
I missed the poster who choose "Sweeney Todd"
Bravo--now that's really cutting edge music!
Indeed, barbers can be very cutting edge. Sorry, couldn't resist. \:D [/b]
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#521754 - 01/02/08 07:38 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Five? No. Five hundred? Well... Five thousand? Better, but I don't have the patience to type them all out.

After all, there are times, when I'm just in the right mood, when I think Chabrier was the greatest composer that ever lived. And an hour later, it might be Bruckner. And then in the next hour, Xenakis. It all depends on what I find most musically nourishing at the very moment I hear it, and that could be almost anything.

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#521755 - 01/02/08 08:42 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Inevitably, I don't feel qualified to name the greatest five pieces ever. Perhaps once I've listened to everything there is to listen, I'll come back with a better list... in two or three lifetimes.

Besides, this is a biased, mostly piano-based and ultimately ignorant list. But hey, here it goes:

1) Rachmaninov's 3rd. Yeah, I know, the 2nd is "nicer", but hearing the way he twisted the beatiful melodic line in the 2nd and 3rd movements of this concerto just does it for me. Particularly, the climax of the 2nd movement and how the dispariging, conflicting voices come to peace and unite after it in the denouement (as it were), has to be the best development I've ever heard.

2) Schönberg's Verklärte Nacht

3) Rachmaninov's Piano and Cello sonata, op. 19

4) Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky

5) Piazzolla's Seasons.


OK, those were the answers off the top of my head. But what about Debussy's Arabesques and Clair de Lune, Chopin's studies (Black keys!), his Andante Spianato + Grand Polonaise (op. 22), Ginastera's "Estancia" suite, Tchaikowsky's Pathetique Symphony, Mendelssohn's lieder.... there're so many things, any list I come up with seems unfair and insufficient.

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#521756 - 01/02/08 08:54 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I'll give it a try. Using different genres. These are not in any particular order:

1. Mozart - The Marriage of Figaro. I think this is the perfect opera.

2. Brahms - A German Requiem. Sublime.

3. Mahler - Symphony No. 2. Enough said, in my opinion.

4. Beethoven - Symphony No. 7. From the opening A major chord with the suspended oboe note until the frenzied conclusion, this is just about perfection.

5. OK. A piano work. If I absolutely had to pick, I would go with Chopin's 4th Ballade. Every time I look at that piece I see something new and wonderful.

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#521757 - 01/02/08 09:02 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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For any medium?
Here's my attempted list:
For Symphony: Beethoven's No. 9 (by this time Ludwig's symphonic writing and vision were completely matched, and whose influence continues throughout the centuries)
For Chorus w/ Orchestra: Bach's St. Matthew Passion (a masterpiece of liturgical drama and choral writing--from massive choruses to intimate solos)
For Solo Concerto: Brahms Piano Concerto #2 (whose 4 movements embody almost every element of the piano concerto begun by Mozart and continued by Beethoven, Schumann, Chopin, etc.)
For Opera: Wagner's Ring (since it was envisioned as a total trilogy with an introductory Opera (much like Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit". But if one is doing a singular work, it would be Mozart's "Marriage of Figaro" (a masterpiece of comic opera, with overtones of class struggle, humanity and poignancy to boot).
For Chamber Music: Schubert's String Quintet in C Major (just pure genius in string writing and voicing).
Finally for Solo Instrumental: amongst the many piano pieces, it is just impossible to pick. But I go back to Bach: The Goldbergs (he found so much variety in those 30 pieces and it is structured so wonderfully with a strict canon after every 2nd variation). Or for solo organ, the Pasacaglia and Fugue in C minor.
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#521758 - 01/04/08 03:00 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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1. W.A. Mozart's Ave Verum Corpus, simply one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Simple but just absolutely breathtaking.

2. J. S. Bach's Mass in B Minor; I'm personally a big fan of choral music and this has got to be the best.

3. Mozart's Piano Concertos, mainly his mature Viennese ones. Probably no. 17 in G Major to pick a specific one.

4. And of course L.v. Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Absolute perfection in every movement in every bar of music.

5. Being a big Mozart fan I can't bare to pass up his music and must pick a third one to listen to. I would pick his Clarinet Concerto for, just like the 'Ave Verum Corpus', is simple but also very sweet. The middle movement is definately a tear-dropper so it's worth the whole concerto just for that.

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#521759 - 01/04/08 04:53 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Beethoven Symphony No. 5
Bach Chaconne AND/OR Bach-Busoni Chaconne
Mozart Requiem
Beethoven Op. 111
And this piece, though I have absolutely no idea what it is: Click here .
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#521760 - 01/04/08 05:33 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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op30no3:
And this piece, though I have absolutely no idea what it is[/b]

Nice. The intro sounds English, early to mid twentieth century (minor key and modal-like atmosphere, mixed in with a bit of German Romanticism, especially horn/bassoon/strings parts). As the choir entered I became a bit more unsure, as the character seemed to change somewhat... So I've no idea either, but I reckon Jason(Argerichfan) could be the man to solve the puzzle \:\)

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#521761 - 01/04/08 05:39 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Yes, the parts with choir do seem to have a very different character to them, especially the climax at the end--wow.

I was hoping Jason might know, too. We'll see.
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#521762 - 01/04/08 05:57 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Bach - Matthew Passion
Bach - Toccata & Fugue in d minor
Satie - Gymnopedies/Gnossienes
Duke Ellington - Day dream
Schumann - Mignon

and many more.....
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#521763 - 01/04/08 10:57 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Quoting Michael: "So I've no idea either, but I reckon Jason could be the man to solve the puzzle .

Quoting Brendan:"I was hoping Jason might know, too. We'll see."

My sincere apologies gentlemen, I listened but could not identify it. But I will tell you one thing: it is not British, nor -by proxy- Anglican. No way. The musical language is something very faceless.

Funny thing though... just the other day I had the sad experience of hearing Puccini's Symphonic Prelude in A. What a piece of utter rubbish -a terribly early work- a valiant attempt to rewrite the "Intermezzo" from Cavalleria.

But then look what happened? The one trick Mascagni be damned. Puccini subsequently came online and rules[/b] in La Boheme.

Sort of makes Wagner's prudish moments in Tristan rather inconsequential. At least if one is looking for the real thing...
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#521764 - 01/04/08 11:14 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Hi... Jason again. I'm listening to Pavarotti in La Boheme.

2007 saw the loss of the greatest operatic tenor on the planet.
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#521765 - 01/05/08 05:44 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Just 5? Oh my....

My absolute favourite:
1- F. Smetana: Ma Vlast (Moldau)

The other 4 may change every moment:
2- R. Wagner: Gotterdämmerung
3- K. Orff: Carmina Burana
4- Beethoven: Piano Concerto 4
5- Mozart: Requiem

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#521766 - 01/05/08 07:45 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Piano pieces - no order:

1. Ballade no. 1 - Chopin
2. Sonata Pahetique - Beethoven
3. 3rd Piano Concerto - Rachmaninoff
4. La campanella - Liszt
5. 3rd Sonata - Chopin

Other pieces, not just for piano that are particually fantastic:

- Nessun Dorma
- La Donne a Mobile
- O Sole Mio
- La Boheme

- Just about any Joplin Rag
- Beethoven's 5th and 9th

ARGGGG There's to many, I may as well just say, "anything Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin," ;\)


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PS - No ones said "chopsticks" yet \:D
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#521767 - 01/05/08 10:16 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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op30no3, how did you come about that mystery piece? Did someone email you the track or something?
I don't recognize it either, but I'm willing to guess that it is someone either German or very influenced by the the latter half of German romanticism. It shows the influence of Brahms here and there, so my first guess would be that it's Dvorak (who one writer on music described as "like Brahms, but somewhat more colourful"). My second guess would be Parry, also very influenced by Brahms.
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#521768 - 01/05/08 12:37 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
My second guess would be Parry, also very influenced by Brahms.
I highly doubt that. Parry, for all his Brahmsian moments, does speak with an individual voice, and the choral works of his I've heard inhabit an identifiable sound world.

Methinks Parry underrated, though I may just be biased. He wrote a lot of interesting music besides I was glad and Jerusalem.
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#521769 - 01/05/08 12:45 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Well, I defer to your judgement, argerichfan. BTW I just listened to Parry's second and it's really quite well done and very Brahmsian. I'm just trying to think of composers who were influenced by Brahms to the extent the mystery piece shows, and Parry certainly fits that list. Hmm, two other possibilities are Bruch (maybe) or Tovey (more likely). Speaking of Sir Donald Francis, have you listened to his Piano Concerto? A very fine work and a great favorite of mine.
It might not be Dvorak after all -- I just reviewed the Requiem and the Stabat Mater and the 149th Psalm and it's not any of those (or the Te Deum obviously). Unless there are other Dvorak choral works I don't know of. I really like musical mysteries like this...
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#521770 - 01/05/08 12:52 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Speaking of Sir Donald Francis, have you listened to his Piano Concerto? A very fine work and a great favorite of mine.
Yes, a wonderful work! I once heard a performance of his Clarinet Sonata- could have been by Sir John Brahms. And someday, I must locate a score to his opera The Bride of Dionysus. It just sounds like too much fun.

I've always used Tovey's edition of the Beethoven sonatas.
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#521771 - 01/05/08 04:36 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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op30no3, how did you come about that mystery piece? Did someone email you the track or something?
I don't recognize it either, but I'm willing to guess that it is someone either German or very influenced by the the latter half of German romanticism. It shows the influence of Brahms here and there, so my first guess would be that it's Dvorak (who one writer on music described as "like Brahms, but somewhat more colourful"). My second guess would be Parry, also very influenced by Brahms. [/b]
I found it on classicalarchives.com incorrectly labeled as Rachmaninoff's Utyos (The Rock). It is, of course, not that piece--The Rock is not even a choral piece. I often hear chords from the piece when listening to Brahms, so I was thinking along the same lines of you and Jason. I will look into Parry, Tovey, Bruch and Dvorak's choral work and see what turns up.
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#521772 - 01/05/08 05:35 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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op30no3, I have it! It's the first movement of Taneyev's "John of Damascus", an opus 1, believe it or not!
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#521773 - 01/05/08 05:43 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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op30no3, I have it! It's the first movement of Taneyev's "John of Damascus", an opus 1, believe it or not!
Wow, how did you find out?

Well at least I was correct that it wasn't British.
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#521774 - 01/05/08 05:44 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Oh my God! That's it! I cannot thank you enough! I have been looking for that for years!
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#521775 - 01/05/08 05:54 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Janus Sachs:
op30no3, I have it! It's the first movement of Taneyev's "John of Damascus", an opus 1, believe it or not!
Wow, how did you find out?

Well at least I was correct that it wasn't British. [/b]
The mislabeling of it as Rachmaninov made me think that it came from a CD which contains a Rachmaninov work, so I thought another Russian composer would most likely be coupled. I then remembered my experience of sightreading Taneyev's Suite for Violin and Orchestra with a violinist acquaintance of mine years ago, and remembered that it was rather Brahmsian. I put it all together, sampled some of Taneyev's choral works on the web (not many available, of course), and Eureka!
Man, I love these musical mysteries, especially when I'm successful. Not the first time I've done something like this (sorry for bragging!), but it's so fun!
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#521776 - 01/05/08 05:57 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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The wikipedia article on Taneyev does state that "his style could be said to reflect the European, and especially German, orientation of the Moscow Conservatory, rather than the Russian nationalist outlook of the school of Mily Balakirev.

I think it was the modal string intro that sounded twentieth century English to me.


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#521777 - 01/05/08 08:29 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Alkan - Concerto for Solo Piano

Just epic. Pure perfection.

Ravel - Tzigane

Liszt - Sonata

Bach - WTC(sorta cheating, but hey, it's epic)

Beethoven - op. 53, op. 106, op.55 (can't decide!)
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#521778 - 01/05/08 09:10 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Ok, since this thread has basically been resurrected, I suppose I'll post.

In no particular order:
1. Scriabin Sonata No. 4 in F# Major
2. Scriabin Mysterium
3. Busoni Piano Concerto
4. Alkan Concerto for Solo Piano
5. Beethoven Sonata No. 32

Hard to pick 5, I suppose these are 5 that I listen to the most frequently as of NOW. It will change in the future.

A couple pieces that should get honorable mention are:

1. Beethoven Sonata No. 29
2. Beethoven Sonata No. 30
3. Scriabin Danses Op. 73
4. Scharwenka Piano Concerto No. 4
5. Messiaen Turangalila Symphony
6. Scriabin Vers La Flamme
7. Scriabin Sonata No. 7
8. Scriabin Sonata No. 1
9. Scriabin Sonata No. 2

Yes, I am a Scriabin fanatic. It's too bad he's not yet considered one of the greats among the non-musician crowd.
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#521779 - 01/05/08 09:53 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I'm also thinking that I would like to include the Chopin Nocturnes as a whole...
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#521780 - 01/05/08 10:00 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Jeff135:
Ok, since this thread has basically been resurrected, I suppose I'll post.
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Haha, I didn't even notice it had been resurrected!

I suspected it, but checking the dates, it seemed good(early January), but I missed the year! \:D

Glad to see you supporting the Alkan.
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#521781 - 01/05/08 11:28 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by Jeff135:
Ok, since this thread has basically been resurrected, I suppose I'll post.

Busoni Piano Concerto
Alkan Concerto for Solo Piano
Certainly no arguments there. With due respect to Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms and Liszt, the Busoni is the summit of piano concertos.
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A couple pieces that should get honorable mention are:

Scharwenka Piano Concerto No. 4
Messiaen Turangalila Symphony
I've listened to all of the Scharwenka piano concertos and I really have come to prefer the 1st. As for the Messiaen, well okay. But one of the five greatest pieces ever?

You really should investigate the organ music. There you will find the essence of Messiaen's genius.
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#521782 - 01/06/08 12:03 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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I've been researching this Taneyev fellow. He was a student, friend and advisor to Tchaikovsky. Turns out he taught at the Moscow Conservatory a long time and ended up teaching Scriabin, Rachmaninoff and Medtner. He wrote a huge treatise on counterpoint called "Imitative Counterpoint in Strict Style" or "Convertible Counterpoint in Strict Style." Looking for this book, it seems to be very rare--a translation of it is in one of the special collections of the Library of Congress. Good news is: my school library has it! Maybe I'll try to read it and see some of the teaching that Scriabin and Rachmaninoff got. Got to love Sibley...
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#521783 - 01/06/08 12:45 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by argerichfan:

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A couple pieces that should get honorable mention are:

Scharwenka Piano Concerto No. 4
Messiaen Turangalila Symphony
I've listened to all of the Scharwenka piano concertos and I really have come to prefer the 1st. As for the Messiaen, well okay. But one of the five greatest pieces ever?

You really should investigate the organ music. There you will find the essence of Messiaen's genius. [/QB]
Really? I've heard both the 1st and the 4th and I prefer the 4th. But that's just me.

About the Messiaen pieces, certainly his organ pieces are great as well (given that he was after all an organist).

With Messiaen, I was looking for specific pieces, and this isn't a complete list of pieces I enjoy at all. If I did that, the list would be much too long to post here on this message board. I think it would be impossible, in fact, given that my tastes and preferences in music change almost daily.

And, yes, I love the Turangalila Symphony. His absolute greatest work? Perhaps not. Then again, I don't think that question can be answered. But, in my opinion, one of his greatest works? I think so.
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#521784 - 01/06/08 04:57 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Most people don't know this, but Mozes (who later became Mozart) received three stone tablets on the Mount Sinai, not two. The third stone tablet, now forever lost, contained in its inscriptions the names of the five greatest musical compositions of all time. Unfortunately for us, only one of them was from planet Earth, namely, Missa Solemnis (Beethoven).

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#521785 - 01/06/08 10:13 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Now that I've finished playing musical sleuth (until the next mystery presents itself), I suppose I should chime in. Hmm, this is of course highly subjective, so what I'll do is name what I consider the greatest work of my five favorite composers:

Bach: The Art of Fugue
Mozart: The Marriage of Figaro
Beethoven: String Quartet in C# minor Op. 131
Brahms: Symphony No. 4
Schoenberg: Moses and Aron

Wow, only one keyboard work. That surprises me too.
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#521786 - 01/06/08 10:17 AM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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As a flea-bitten Christian walking warily in doctrinal Jewish company ... I once put the question of 10 Commandments tablet incision to a
much respected colleague Ruby Shapiro ... what was the inside story on the cutting process ... divine or man?

Ruby, who at this moment might well be bobbing a black hat in front of the sacred Wailing Wall had a most bizarre response ... a case of
“ask a silly question” ... he said that the actual cutting process had not been positively documented ... however it was Jewish tradition ... that Moses had made a big profit out of selling the resultant marble chips.

By the way ... sorry Hamus ... but although being in possession of Beethoven’s Missa Solemnis for nigh on 50 years ... the religious work continues to pass me by ... perhaps not enough abasement.

Please don’t shoot the messenger!

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#521787 - 01/06/08 02:39 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Brahms: The German Requiem.
Bach: Chromatic Fantasy for harpsichord.
Beethoven: Fidelio.
Beethoven: 6th Symphony.
Purcell: Dido and Aeneas.
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#521788 - 01/06/08 05:07 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Well, that's how I remember it... I'm only a messenger's messenger. My personal list is a couple of miles upstream. Lacking "Missa Solemnis (Beethoven)", as the inscription read, perhaps we may continue our discourse in the Unpleasant Place.

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#521789 - 01/06/08 07:52 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by op30no3:
I've been researching this Taneyev fellow. He was a student, friend and advisor to Tchaikovsky. Turns out he taught at the Moscow Conservatory a long time and ended up teaching Scriabin, Rachmaninoff and Medtner. He wrote a huge treatise on counterpoint called "Imitative Counterpoint in Strict Style" or "Convertible Counterpoint in Strict Style." Looking for this book, it seems to be very rare--a translation of it is in one of the special collections of the Library of Congress. Good news is: my school library has it! Maybe I'll try to read it and see some of the teaching that Scriabin and Rachmaninoff got. Got to love Sibley... [/b]
Taneyev is wonderful (although that op. 1 didn't do too much for me). There's a great prelude and fugue of his for solo piano that all advanced pianists should be familiar with. His chamber music is very fine, with a particularly impressive piano quintet. Unfortunately, he didn't write much solo piano music, even though he was apparently an exceptional pianist and played the Russian premiere of Tchaikovsky's 1st concerto, and I think was the dedicatee of the 2nd, and completed the 3rd after Tchaikovsky died.

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#521790 - 01/06/08 11:42 PM Re: Five greatest pieces ever
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Originally posted by wr:
... and I think [Taneyev] was the dedicatee of the 2nd...
Nicholas Rubinstein was the dedicatee of the 2nd.

And yes, I quite fancy the Taneyev P&F... his 4th symphony is also quite worthy, though with due respect, hardly required listening.
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