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#525769 - 11/11/07 03:38 PM Re: How long does it take you to learn a WTC fugue well?
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Can't disagree with that. Tovey is saying - hear and play the counter-subjects as well. Here is some interesting Ralph Kirkpatrick:
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...In most Bach fugues, the continuity is carried unbroken through cadences by horizontal voice-leading which permits no clean-cut vertical break. Even when there are perceptible pauses betweeen sections, the Bach fugue is essentially a one piece form.
He is saying here what Tovey is trying to articulate. If you stomp out the subject each time, especially at cadences, you cover up the fine nuance of continuity. Schweitzer used to complain about this as well. Bach is subtle, subtle, subtle - a life time's work. So how long does it take to learn a WTC fugue well? Do one of you REALLY think you have the answer?
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#525770 - 11/11/07 05:15 PM Re: How long does it take you to learn a WTC fugue well?
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Bravo! I've always enjoyed reading Tovey on music.

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#525771 - 11/11/07 05:20 PM Re: How long does it take you to learn a WTC fugue well?
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Originally posted by keyboardklutz:
[qb] Can't disagree with that. Tovey is saying - hear and play the counter-subjects as well. Here is some interesting Ralph Kirkpatrick:
[QUOTE]...In most Bach fugues, the continuity is carried unbroken through cadences by horizontal voice-leading which permits no clean-cut vertical break. Even when there are perceptible pauses betweeen sections, the Bach fugue is essentially a one piece form.
He is saying here what Tovey is trying to articulate. If you stomp out the subject each time, especially at cadences, you cover up the fine nuance of continuity. Schweitzer used to complain about this as well. Bach is subtle, subtle, subtle - a life times work. So how long does it take to learn a WTC fugue well? Do one of you REALLY think you have the answer? [/b]
Bravo!


Does anyone else notice, when playing Bach, the near-constant combination of thirds between parts? I thought of high-lighting my music, but then I might as well smear the page in pale green ink. I'm sure this is an elementary observation for all you music majors out there, but I am continually fascinated by it as I play, and the more I see it in Bach, the more I see it in Beethoven as well, who as we know had learned most of the P&Fs before he was twelve.

Cheers,

Craig
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