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#528490 - 11/18/05 07:57 PM *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Jeff135 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/05
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Loc: Oregon
I have found three Kissin videos.

They are:

Scraibin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 2 COMPLETE
Rachmaninoff Prelude Op. 23 No. 5 (with Rach 2)
Rachmaninoff Prelude Op. 23 No. 2 (I have 2 one seperate and one with the Rach 2 Video).

Keep in mind the Rach 2 video is a pain to download but it IS worth it.

I will post them if you are interested.
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#528491 - 11/18/05 08:15 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
WCSMinorCircuit Offline
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Sure... as long as it is legal.
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#528492 - 11/18/05 08:16 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Skriabin Offline
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I'd love to see that, also with go on the legal issue.

Its amazing how you found the videos for all my favorite songs. The Sciabin etude Rachmaninoff concerto and on of the rach preludes I love (32/2).

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#528493 - 11/18/05 08:18 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Jeff135 Offline
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I'm pretty sure it's legal. They aren't commercial or anything (I dont think... the recording quality isn't the greatest).

Still the Rach 2nd was a real treat. He gives two encores thus the Rach G minor and Bb major Preludes.
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#528494 - 11/18/05 08:23 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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#528495 - 11/18/05 11:05 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Skriabin Offline
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Registered: 06/23/05
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hey thanks,
The Scriabin etude was great. Kissin is a great pianist. The Rachmaninoff conerto is still only at 37%, and its not looking like it will be done anytime soon. \:\)

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#528496 - 11/19/05 12:16 AM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Jeff135 Offline
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Np \:D

Lol well it IS the entire concerto plus two encores.
The whole thing is almost about 59 minutes.
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#528497 - 11/19/05 08:42 AM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Skriabin Offline
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Wow,
That Rach 2 was very well played, very heartfelt.

My favorite part was the lisp that Kissin had.

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#528498 - 11/19/05 01:09 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
ecm Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 1271
Loc: Republic of Macedonia
Jeff thanks a lot!
I Already have that Scriabin Etude, but don't have the RACH 2 and never heard Kissin playing it. I have a recording of his playing RACH 3 (where you cannot see the conductor or the orchestra lol) but the quality is \:D

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#528499 - 11/19/05 07:43 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Mandel Offline
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Registered: 03/15/02
Posts: 206
Loc: Sweden
any one seen the video were argerich plays shostakovich no 1? Ive heard about it would like too see it..
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#528500 - 11/20/05 02:34 AM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
WCSMinorCircuit Offline
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Registered: 08/11/04
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Loc: California
Kissin did a good job of playing Rach 2. I always love watching pianists play concertos. I just think it's so cool. Thanks Jeff.
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#528501 - 11/20/05 10:57 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Stormcrow Offline
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Thanks a lot, I think I'm going to be sick.


EDIT: Awesome videos!!
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#528502 - 11/20/05 11:45 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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Wow, that Kissin performance of Rach 2 is incredible.
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#528503 - 11/21/05 12:07 AM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
WCSMinorCircuit Offline
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Surprisingly, as good as it was, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone talking about Kissin playing this particular concerto.
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#528504 - 11/21/05 12:41 AM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
iamcanadian Offline
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Registered: 02/02/02
Posts: 1893
Loc: Canada
He recorded it a long time ago. The recording wasn't particularly good(neither is this video, IMO).
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#528505 - 11/21/05 10:37 AM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Bassio Offline
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Registered: 08/24/03
Posts: 2480
Loc: Alexandria, Egypt
Jeff, Did you fit the whole concerto into 38.4MB only ?!!

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#528506 - 11/21/05 11:33 AM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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This is definitely illegal. Concert venues own the rights to whatever happens inside, whether it's commercially released or not.

I'll leave the post up for now, but I just wanted everyone to know...
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#528507 - 11/21/05 02:28 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 5061
Loc: Philadelphia
 Quote:
Originally posted by Kreisler:
This is definitely illegal. Concert venues own the rights to whatever happens inside, whether it's commercially released or not.

I'll leave the post up for now, but I just wanted everyone to know... [/b]
Well, that's not entirely true, and since the Proms is in London, it is subject to British (and not U.S.) law. It is likely that this particular instance would fall under international law, which is a whole different bag of tricks.

The video appears to be a taped copy of a television show/interview/live TV broadcast. So, it was definitely commercially released. The big question is whether or not it was publically released (and how that impacts international law).

Are you a lawyer Kreisler? (If you are, I'd love to know the answer...)
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#528508 - 11/21/05 02:37 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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Nope, not a lawyer. And I didn't realize the video was from the UK, so yes, the laws may be different there.

In the US, though, not even Kissin would have the rights to his own performances. (Unless his manager reached a deal with the venue in advance of the performance.) Venues in the US are really picky/careful about property rights issues.
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#528509 - 11/21/05 03:02 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
iamcanadian Offline
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Registered: 02/02/02
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Loc: Canada
Definitely not LEGAL. I can't believe it's even a question.

Nobody would care enough to stop you from downloading/viewing it, but there is no way that this performance or any other captured from TV is instantly FREE simply because it is captured in a Digital format with the commercials removed.
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#528510 - 11/21/05 03:04 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
Derulux Offline
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Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 5061
Loc: Philadelphia
 Quote:
Originally posted by Kreisler:
Nope, not a lawyer. And I didn't realize the video was from the UK, so yes, the laws may be different there.

In the US, though, not even Kissin would have the rights to his own performances. (Unless his manager reached a deal with the venue in advance of the performance.) Venues in the US are really picky/careful about property rights issues. [/b]
To the first part of your response... damn! I was hoping for an answer! ;\)

To the second, it is as you say--entirely dependent upon the contract between the venue and the performer. Since this video was a TV release, however, and likely the BBC, the law works a little differently (if the UK follows US law in this matter). If the venue sold the rights to produce the show, then it is up to the new owner of said rights. If Kissin holds the rights, it's up to him. The internet is a funny thing, and I'm not exactly sure how "redistribution" works in accordance with the law (because I only took several classes, but am not a lawyer). It is likely that this specific case would fall under an interpretation and not an actual law (because it's not a replica of the "Napster Clause"...at least, that's what I'm calling it these days). That means it'd have to go to court first, probably under a lawsuit, before it went anywhere else.

For the time being, I'd assume it's a publically-licensed broadcast, in which case (I believe) you're exempt.


(But again, a lawyer's weigh-in would be much-appreciated, if only for my own knowledge! \:\) )


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Nobody would care enough to stop you from downloading/viewing it, but there is no way that this performance or any other captured from TV is instantly FREE simply because it is captured in a Digital format with the commercials removed.
Nobody is saying that "because there are no commercials, it's free" (except you). What we (Kreisler and I) were immediately trying to determine is who holds the license? If it's public, guess what? It's free.

And it's not some guy's camcorder in the proms taping...it's definitely a commercial release at the very least. Now, the quality was instantly diminished, which means it was formatted for downloadable purposes. This indicates the possibility that it was intended to be a publically-viewable event. The only way to determine this, however, is to find a reputable source download or ask (and trust the word of) the originator of this particular file.

But to automatically say, "I can't believe this is even a question" is, in my opinion, a ridiculous presumption...more so than the possibility that this video could be publically-licensed. ;\)
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#528511 - 11/21/05 03:25 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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Do you seriously believe that? Somebody capped this from a TV broadcast and posted it on the Internet. I know because I have a near DVD quality copy of the same performance.
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#528512 - 11/21/05 03:45 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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With apologies in advance, I'm a lawyer. UK and US copyright laws are very close, especially since the late 80s when the US became a Berne Convention country. The "author" of a tv production owns the rights in the recording unless there is a writing to the contrary (for example, an assignment of rights). It's probably BBC or Kissin's record label or possibly his artist management company. Are there titles at the beginning which include a copyright notice? This would tell you who claims the rights. If there are no titles, the person who digitized the production and distributed it over the internet probably removed them. Also, please note that any rights in the work are not lost just because it was broadcast over television. If that's true, any of us could TIVO all the Sopranos episodes and sell them. You get the right to watch ONLY, as when you buy the latest bestselling novel, you get the right to read ONLY and can't photocopy it and sell copies. These examples are slightly more restrictive than is actually the case, but only slightly (e.g., you can TIVO the show, which is making a recording, and you can take quotations from the novel and put them in your latest paper for contemporary literature class).

It is extremely difficult these days for works to enter into the public domain when they are released. In the old days, publication without notice was enough, or failing to supply a copy to the copyright office. Now, copyright attaches to a work even without notice or filing for registration. (E.g., you own the copyright on the note you left for your roommate to take out the garbage. No need to register your copyright in it for rights to attach.)

Therefore, somebody owns the tv production. Whether they will attempt to track down people exchanging it over the internet is another matter entirely, but such distribution is surely illegal. My guess is that BBC or Kissin's record label or whoever else might own the work won't earn enough money off this video to make it worth their while to chase down the likes of forumites such as yourselves. But I could be wrong about that.

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#528513 - 11/21/05 03:45 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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Did anyone notice that the videos were from a site called evgenyissin.net, which incidentally seems to be no longer around?

Btw. What do you guys think of the speed on the Op. 23 No. 5?
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#528514 - 11/21/05 04:03 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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By the way, this particular performance is from the Proms' New Years Eve Concert in 2000 - conducted by Sir Andrew Davis. While I would assume it aired on BBC, I do know for a fact that it aired on ABC(Austraian Broadcasting Corp.)
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#528515 - 11/21/05 08:59 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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Now, copyright attaches to a work even without notice or filing for registration. (E.g., you own the copyright on the note you left for your roommate to take out the garbage. No need to register your copyright in it for rights to attach.)
First, let me say that everything you posted, Dave, was in exact accordance with what I thought (with the exception of the knowledge of us being a Berne Convention Country...since I had no idea what that was :p ;\) ). Now, let me comment on this blurb.

Failure to register your 'work' limits your options as owner of said 'work', such as seeking compensation for copyright violations. It is my understanding in the U.S. that a person cannot take away your right to 'owning' something if it is your 'work', but you cannot file suit against them for copyright violation if you did not file for the copyright.
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#528516 - 11/21/05 09:44 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
iamcanadian Offline
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Man, either delete the file or admit that you're not a saint.

Either way, this discussion has reached a satisfying conclusion, IMO
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#528517 - 11/22/05 09:56 AM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
e_carg Offline
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Loc: Malaysia
Kissin's one of my fav pianist and I've truely enjoyed them especially the Rach 2...Just wanna express my appreciation...thanks Jeff!

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#528518 - 11/22/05 02:26 PM Re: *** Video of Kissin playing the Rach 2 and more ***
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Originally posted by Derulux:
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Now, copyright attaches to a work even without notice or filing for registration. (E.g., you own the copyright on the note you left for your roommate to take out the garbage. No need to register your copyright in it for rights to attach.)
First, let me say that everything you posted, Dave, was in exact accordance with what I thought (with the exception of the knowledge of us being a Berne Convention Country...since I had no idea what that was :p ;\) ). Now, let me comment on this blurb.

Failure to register your 'work' limits your options as owner of said 'work', such as seeking compensation for copyright violations. It is my understanding in the U.S. that a person cannot take away your right to 'owning' something if it is your 'work', but you cannot file suit against them for copyright violation if you did not file for the copyright. [/b]
True, but you can file for a registration AFTER the infringement has occurred and sue the infringer then. However, only with registration prior to infringement can the copyright owner claim statutory damages (which may be substantial) and legal fees (which are always high).

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