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#536050 - 06/13/05 07:55 AM Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
gordonf238 Offline
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Can anyone recommend a good recording of this piece? Preferrably from a good label (Deutsche Grammophon and the like). And if it happens to have an SACD release, then all the better!

Thanks a bunch!

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#536051 - 06/13/05 08:16 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have quite a lot, but my favourite is the Hough recording on Hyperion - purely because I'm a cheapskate student and it has recordings of all the concerti and the Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini. And its very good. Quite nippy though in terms of tempo.

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#536052 - 06/13/05 08:42 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Find Cliburn or Sokolov's. They are my favorite for that piece.
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#536053 - 06/13/05 09:12 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Do a search for Rach 3 recordings on this forum; you'll find a ton of info and recommendations.

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#536054 - 06/13/05 09:35 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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#536055 - 06/13/05 09:56 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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lol...LL and Mach3 ride the at the top of the pianists corner yet again.

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#536056 - 06/13/05 10:06 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Volodos on Sony Classical, is quite good, and is available as an sacd

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#536057 - 06/13/05 10:16 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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i just got that volodos one. darn it, tower records didn't have an SACD one.

you get these trembles going down your spine everytime that first movement opens up with its haunting melody.

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#536058 - 06/13/05 10:22 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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... then your mind goes crazy when the second mvt. merges into the third mvt.. So fantastic. That is a great piece.
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#536059 - 06/13/05 10:49 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Yes, Volodos; it's spectacular, and live! I seem to remember being impressed with Lazar Berman's, but it's been years since hearing it. Gieseking's is interesting - what a mind at work! He makes such long lines, which is indispensable in Rachmaninoff. Not the cleanest, though, but worth a listen.

My personal favorite (never mind the fact that she is one of my former teachers) is the recording that Ann Schein made for Kapp records in the late '50s, with Eugene Goosens leading the Vienna State opera orchestra. She was, I think, 19 or 20 years old! It's a smashing recording, technically astounding and very mature, but you can't find it on CD. (I've actually been fortunate enough, in my years of study with her, to actually accompany her on a second piano, and let me tell you: she owns this piece.)

Another way you could hear her play the piece, though not that particular recording, is to go to the Pitkin County Library in Aspen - where she teaches in the summertime - and find the performance she did with Jorge Mester leading the Aspen Festival Orchestra from, I think, 1986...It's even better than the Kapp recording, and it's live - you can *feel* the audience leaping to their feet at the end - truly visceral!!)

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I'll bet Hough's is amazing, though I haven't yet heard it.
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#536060 - 06/13/05 10:57 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Byron Janis and Horowitz are both spectacular.
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#536061 - 06/13/05 11:45 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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FYI, the Volodos is edited from multiple live performances. So technically, it's both live and edited. \:D
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#536062 - 06/13/05 11:46 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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That library is fantastic. Every recorded performance from the Aspen festival for the past few decades is available there.

If anyone ever goes to Aspen, the Pitkin Co. library should definitely be in your plans!

(I smuggled a minidisc recorder in and grabbed a few things while I was there. \:D )

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Another way you could hear her play the piece, though not that particular recording, is to go to the Pitkin County Library in Aspen - where she teaches in the summertime - and find the performance she did with Jorge Mester leading the Aspen Festival Orchestra from, I think, 1986...It's even better than the Kapp recording, and it's live - you can *feel* the audience leaping to their feet at the end - truly visceral!!)

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I'll bet Hough's is amazing, though I haven't yet heard it. [/b]
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#536063 - 06/13/05 11:52 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Argerich really "Rachs" this piece on DG.
The other recording I really like is the Horowitz Jubilee one.
I didn't know about the Volodos rendition; I'm sure it's uh-mazing too.
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#536064 - 06/13/05 12:22 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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It seems no one has mentioned Ashkenazy, I'd have to say that he is my personal Favorite.
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#536065 - 06/13/05 01:25 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Horowitz (1930), Horowitz-Reiner (1951), Volodos. I also like Rachmaninoff's own recording, but it's a little harder to find. I don't have a copy of it; I just happened to be fortunate enough to listen to it once. I'll do some digging if you're interested in that one, but I suspect there might be others in the forum who have a bootleg of it. (The recording was never meant for sale.)
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#536066 - 06/13/05 01:31 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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You can find R's own recording of the R3 on Naxos Historical. It's inexpensive, and contains also a fine account of R2...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...555108?v=glance

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#536067 - 06/13/05 03:30 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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2 days ago, for 7 dollars, I got a CD recording of Rachmaninoff himself playing his 2nd and 3rd concerti
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#536068 - 06/13/05 03:49 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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If you want to try a few recordings before you buy, here you can download quite a few in mp3 format (Cliburn, Horowitz, Ashkenazy, Volodos and Rachmaninov's own recording) :
http://classic.manual.ru/

Russian site... The names appear in English in the bar at the bottom of your browser. Choose Rachmaninov in the long list on the left.
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#536069 - 06/13/05 03:55 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have Rach's recording of it, I don't like it, for some reason I'm so used to the splendour of Horowitz's rendition it seems to me Rach does things too differently. Though I must say his cadenza is still probably the best played I ever heard ;-)
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#536070 - 06/13/05 04:00 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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2 days ago, for 7 dollars, I got a CD recording of Rachmaninoff himself playing his 2nd and 3rd concerti
:D I love technology. Imagine how much a recording of a piece played by Liszt or Chopin would be worth today, if one magically popped up . I'm just thankful that Rachmaninov and Prokofiev came about at a good time. ;\)

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#536071 - 06/13/05 04:02 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I've actually sampled original Rachmaninov's own performance through itunes music store. If only it weren't for the mediocre quality. To truly enjoy the performance you need to feel the depth and clarity of the piano, and the orchestra, you need to feel its substance and power. It's difficult to do so once you've become accustomed to digital stereo recordings :-/

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#536072 - 06/13/05 04:12 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have to say that Hough's recording is superb... I used to say Argerich was the best, but I'm changing my mind, and putting Hough there. He plays the final movement even QUICKER than Argerich, and it just fizzes with energy...

Very nippy in tempi, but it seems to make sense to me. The ending is an OMFG moment, as his octaves accelerate away...

The 2nd is also superb, with the same choice of briskness. No overbearing schmaltz, just a superb interpretation which lets the music breathe naturally...

And the Paganini Rhapsody is equally good. He played it live here, a few weeks ago, and it brought the house down. You've GOT to love those octaves at the end. And to watch him play them - well,...

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#536073 - 06/13/05 05:01 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Sokolov
Katsaris
Horowitz (1951)
Santiago Rodriguez (1994) - My favorite of all
Volodos

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#536074 - 06/13/05 08:55 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I second Opus Maximus' choices, except I'd replace the Horowitz with Cliburn and Katsaris (which I haven't heard -- I'm sure it's first class) with Leif Ove Andsnes (which may be the best completely live recording ever made).
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#536075 - 06/13/05 09:22 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by Emanuel Ravelli:
Leif Ove Andsnes (which may be the best completely live recording ever made). [/b]
Too bad the Andsnes recording was a mix of two or three different concerts \:\)

The Cliburn/Kondrashin is the best live recording, in my opinion.
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#536076 - 06/13/05 09:25 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Hough is my current favorite.
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#536077 - 06/13/05 09:27 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I severely despise the Hough recording. I prefer Helfgott's over Hough's for sure. \:\)
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#536078 - 06/13/05 09:46 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I severely despise the Hough recording. I prefer Helfgott's over Hough's for sure. \:\) [/b]
Harsh, but okay. \:\)
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#536079 - 06/13/05 10:04 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I just didn't find alot of music in Hough's recording. The Rachmaninoff 3rd is a very powerful piece, but in his hands it sounds like a circus act.

I'm probably alone on this one, though.
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