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#536080 - 06/13/05 10:10 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
Brendan Offline



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Yeah, I'll give the third movement to you on that point, but I thought the first movement (esp. the cadenza) was very powerful.
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#536081 - 06/13/05 10:12 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by Emanuel Ravelli:
Leif Ove Andsnes (which may be the best completely live recording ever made). [/b]
You think that Andsnes's live performance is better than Volodos's?

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#536082 - 06/13/05 10:40 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by iamcanadian:
I severely despise the Hough recording. I prefer Helfgott's over Hough's for sure. \:\) [/b]
Let's say things we can't take back.

NO ONE!!! likes the Helfgott recording.
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#536083 - 06/13/05 11:14 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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NO ONE!!! likes the Helfgott recording.
Except for the guy a while back who said it was awesome and then we all told him what we thought of his opinion and he never came back...hehe :rolleyes:

Personally, my favorites are Argerich and Volodos. And as soon as soon as I listen to the Cliburn and Horowitz version some more, I'll have new favorites; but that's just how it works. ;\)

I think I'll give Hough a listen next though; haven't even looked into this one.

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#536084 - 06/13/05 11:17 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I saw Stephen Hough play it live and it was phenomenal....maybe even better than any recording made of it.

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#536085 - 06/13/05 11:46 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I just didn't find alot of music in Hough's recording. The Rachmaninoff 3rd is a very powerful piece, but in his hands it sounds like a circus act.

I'm probably alone on this one, though.
I lean a little toward iamcanadian on this one (I saw him live). I don't think the extreme speed was a problem (he probably played the third movement in under 10 minutes), but I would've liked to feel a little more emotion.
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#536086 - 06/14/05 12:46 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by prokofiev:
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I just didn't find alot of music in Hough's recording. The Rachmaninoff 3rd is a very powerful piece, but in his hands it sounds like a circus act.

I'm probably alone on this one, though.
I lean a little toward iamcanadian on this one (I saw him live). I don't think the extreme speed was a problem (he probably played the third movement in under 10 minutes), but I would've liked to feel a little more emotion. [/b]
Holy crap! That bests Volodos and Horowitz by 2.5 minutes! What kind of insane playing was the guy doing, and did he play anything slower than "prestissimo possible"? (I couldn't imagine the fast parts faster than Horowitz or Volodos, and I'm not sure if they should be any faster...but to cut 2.5 minutes off...that means severely speeding up the slower parts. I'm not sure how that would sound....)
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#536087 - 06/14/05 02:37 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by ignorant kid:
2 days ago, for 7 dollars, I got a CD recording of Rachmaninoff himself playing his 2nd and 3rd concerti [/b]
Hate to say this, but you could have gone to that russian site and got those Exact Pieces played by Rachmaninoff for free.

Anyway, Good Recordings include Volodos, Horowitz and Ashkenazy, but for the Love of God - Solokov is the worst person for Playing Rachmaninoff COncertos, so don't bother with him.

And out of curiousity - Who the heck or what the heck started all this Mach 3 crap??? Have I missed the Joke???

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#536088 - 06/14/05 02:47 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I attended a Hough performance last year and heard another on the radio recently, and the final movement was about the same as the recording (13 mins). Both were quite messy, colourless performances, to be honest.

I do like his Hyperion recording, but once you've enjoyed the "circus act", to borrow iamcanadian's words, I don't think it bears repeated listenings terribly well.

Sokolov fans: Anyone heard the (pirate, I assume?) recording with Gergiev? Really marvellous, I think, and the piano doesn't go out of tune on this one. \:\)


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#536089 - 06/14/05 06:29 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
Emanuel Ravelli Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Opus_Maximus:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Emanuel Ravelli:
Leif Ove Andsnes (which may be the best completely live recording ever made). [/b]
You think that Andsnes's live performance is better than Volodos's? [/b]
Yes, I do, though it's a very close call. Volodos' performance has sparkle and dash, but I like the power and the overall musical conception in Andsnes' interpretation.
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#536090 - 06/14/05 06:33 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
pianojerome Offline
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What do you guys think of Byron Janis? I prefer his 1st movement to the others I've got (Andsnes, Ashkenazy/Fistoulari, Ashkenazy/Previn, Wild, Horowitz/Reiner, Horowitz/Mehta), even to the Horowitz/Reiner, which is quite good.

I liked Andsnes, though I felt it sounded a bit too relaxed in the 3rd movement...
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#536091 - 06/14/05 07:49 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Not too many have mentioned Cliburn. His is still one of my favorites. He doesn't try to take it at mach (pardon the pun) speeds like most, and it's just gorgeous. My other favorites are Horowitz/Reiner and Horowitz/Ormandy.

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#536092 - 06/14/05 04:32 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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The only reason I have never mentioned Cliburn is because I have never heard any of his recordings (I know - shame on me).

Out of Curiosity, what did people think of Cziffra??? Any good?

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#536093 - 06/14/05 04:37 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Cziffra made a Rach 3 recording??!!

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#536094 - 06/14/05 04:37 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by Reaper Man:
Anyway, Good Recordings include Volodos, Horowitz and Ashkenazy, but for the Love of God - Solokov is the worst person for Playing Rachmaninoff COncertos, so don't bother with him. [/b]
Everyone[/b] disagrees with you.
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#536095 - 06/14/05 06:55 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
What do you guys think of Byron Janis? ... [/b]
I should have mentioned him in my original list. The one big drawback is that he plays the "baby" cadenza to the first movement, but he does a fabulous job with the entire piece, especially the transition from the 2nd movement to the finale.

Janis was one of the great talents of the century -- I love just about everything of his I've heard. But my absolute favorite has to be his recording of the the Rachmaninoff 2nd with Dorati conducting (the London Symph., I think?). The first minute of the finale still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
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#536096 - 06/14/05 11:29 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by iamcanadian:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Reaper Man:
for the Love of God - Solokov is the worst person for Playing Rachmaninoff COncertos, so don't bother with him. [/b]
Everyone[/b] disagrees with you. [/b]
WRONG!!!! He is TRULY awful. He should be shot for Playing Rachmaninoff Concertos. There are hundreds and hundreds of Pianists way better than him.

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#536097 - 06/15/05 12:30 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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This ^ from someone who championed Helfgott only a few months ago. \:\)

Sokolov is one of the greatest living pianists.

I recommend you join the Sokolov Yahoo group and have a listen to some of the recordings its members have made available. If you still don't enjoy his playing after that, so be it.


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#536098 - 06/15/05 02:26 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by jazzyd:
Sokolov is one of the greatest living pianists.
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Maybe so, but His Rach 3 still sucks. I HAVE heard it and it was dreadful. I will however listen to his other performances of other pieces... See if they are any good.

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#536099 - 06/16/05 01:38 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Anyone heard about Rafael Orozco ?

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#536100 - 06/16/05 02:56 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I read about Orozco, who has some good reviews of the 3rd at Amazon.

For me, Berman is my closest ideal. My LP has him with Abbado.

I have an old tape with Jewgenij Mogiljewskij, with the Moscow Symphony Orchestra and Kyrill Kondraschin. His name does not appear if searching with google. I quite like it and have made an mp3 of it. I have just been listening to it again before posting. Since Jewgenij Mogiljewskij is not well known (I think), is it ok to offer this obscure recording for interest? It reminds me of Moiseiwitsch who was once considered second rate, and as a result many of his master recordings were thrown away to our loss.
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#536101 - 06/16/05 03:13 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Orozco has the nice cheap Phillips box set. Flawless playing, has the chord cadenza for the 3rd, and overall is pretty conservative playing. It probably won't offend anyone, but it won't astound anyone either.

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#536102 - 06/16/05 03:35 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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John - With a bit of orthographic tweaking, that name brings up some interesting things in Google. Try Yevgeny/Evgeny Moguilevsky/Mogilevsky instead.

Under "Evgeny Moguilevsky", I found a listing for a Rachmaninoff 3rd recording from the 1964 Queen Elisabeth Competition, where it appears he won 1st Prize. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the same pianist.


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#536103 - 06/16/05 03:58 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Orozco has the nice cheap Phillips box set. Flawless playing, has the chord cadenza for the 3rd, and overall is pretty conservative playing. It probably won't offend anyone, but it won't astound anyone either.[/b]
Well I am certainly astounded about Orozco's rach 3rd, must say, though I think I only have heard Rachmaninovs, (I think it was) Rubinsteins and Orozcos version and like much better Orozcos.

Definitively between the Rubinstein and Orozcos versions of the 2nd I prefer Orozcos.

Never heards the other versions mentioned in this thread though. Looking forward to listen to Volodos, Sokolov and Horowitz Rach 3rd versions.

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#536104 - 06/16/05 04:10 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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David

I found an LP listed at http://members.aol.com/peter23rd/trade/classic.html - Konzert fr Klavier u. Orchester Nr. 3 op.30 - Mogiljewskij, Kondraschin - D, Eurodisc 73625 - $8

Anyone slse no more of him?
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#536105 - 06/16/05 04:58 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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David, well done you are correct. See Yevgueni Moguilevski at

http://patachonf.free.fr/musique/kondrachine/discographie.php?p=tout

with even a photo of the 1966 record and of Moguilevski on it.
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#536106 - 06/17/05 06:24 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ashkenazy.

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#536107 - 06/17/05 09:06 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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alright, time to put what I've found into this thread.


I am OBSESSED with Rachmaninoff, and of course, his third concerto.

I own several recordings of this (computer and on cd).

My favorite recordings would go like this......

1. Van Cliburn (musical as hell)
2. Rachmaninoff (very fast, but so emotional)
3. Rafael Orozco (impressive and musical)
4. Horowitz (on his Horowitz plays Rach cd) His octaves at the end, are, of course, unbeatable.

All of the rest do nothing for me. Although he's my favorite pianist, I find Ashkenazy's tempos to be a bit too far under, yet he still has a nice interpretation, and it's worth a buy.... but GO FOR CLIBURN!!!

What's IMPRESSIVE is Volodos's interpretation, but I think that musically it sucks when compared to Rach or Van Cliburn.

I'd recommend checking out Garrick Ohlssohn's recording if he has one. I've heard from people that his concert of Rach 3 was incredible.


My thoughts are that Van Cliburn owns this concerto. Every moment is an eargasm

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#536108 - 06/17/05 09:12 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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By the way, I wouldn't listen to whomever recommended Sokolov's recording.

It's boring, and lacks personality.

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#536109 - 06/17/05 09:18 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ive got to hear these recording by Van Cliburn and Horowitz. Ive only heard Lang Lang play it, and he is a very talented pianist. Please send any links or tell me if you have recordings that u could send me via email by these other pianists
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