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#536110 - 06/17/05 09:24 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by TheAsianPianist:
Ive got to hear these recording by Van Cliburn and Horowitz. Ive only heard Lang Lang play it, and he is a very talented pianist. Please send any links or tell me if you have recordings that u could send me via email by these other pianists [/b]
I've heard Lang Lang's live on the radio - although he is obviously very technically talented, I thought that his Rach 3 was mediocre.

Surprisingly, he kept the tempos slow, and there wasn't much music behind it IMO.

Anyway, we have a solution!!!

http://classic.manual.ru/

go there, and yes, it's all in Russian, HOWEVER, you can make out what it says in the bottom left of the screen. Then you can find Rachmaninoff, his Rach 3 played by Horowitz (3 different versions!), Van Cliburn (!), Rachmaninoff (!), Volodos....and I believe Ashkenazy.

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#536111 - 06/17/05 09:44 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by musicsdarkangel:
By the way, I wouldn't listen to whomever recommended Sokolov's recording.

It's boring, and lacks personality. [/b]
THANK GOD - Someone with Sense. Sokolov's recording are horrible, they're too fast and their lifeless (emotionally.)

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#536112 - 06/17/05 09:49 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Where can you get Lang Langs recording of Rachmaninoffs 3rd??? Anyway to get it online... cause I sure as hell won't be able to get it in Australia.

Most australians (I mean general public and CD Stores) couldn't give a crap about Classical Music. They're all SPORTS orientated....

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#536113 - 06/17/05 10:10 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Stop asking for MP3s. Go out and buy the stupid CD.
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#536114 - 06/17/05 11:14 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Bugger off iamcanadian....

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#536115 - 06/18/05 01:49 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Reaper Man:
Sokolov's recording are horrible, they're too fast and their lifeless (emotionally.) [/b]
That opinion is - ironically - so antipodal to my own that I'm sure we'll never agree, but I am genuinely curious to know which of his recordings (besides the Rach 3) you have heard. Thanks,


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#536116 - 06/18/05 04:57 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
Anima Offline
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I like Horowitz's 1978 live rec (the filmed one) more than his 1951 one.

Besides that one, I love Sokolov's (the one Reaper hates), Kapell and Cherkassky's live one, I believe it's from the 50's-ish. Rachmaninoff's own recording is amazing too, I love what he does with the repeated notes part in the 2nd movement.

Cliburn's just boring to me, and Volodos is a good recording if you want to hear how it "should" be played, not fantasizing too much and stuff..

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#536117 - 06/18/05 08:44 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jazzyd:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Reaper Man:
Sokolov's recording are horrible, they're too fast and their lifeless (emotionally.) [/b]
That opinion is - ironically - so antipodal to my own that I'm sure we'll never agree, but I am genuinely curious to know which of his recordings (besides the Rach 3) you have heard. Thanks,


David [/b]
OK... Maybe I haven't heard any else of Sokolov's Performances, and I have never come across them. The only thing I have ever heard is Sokolov playing Rachmaninoff's 3rd.

And before you say - There you go, you've never heard any of his other pieces, how could you know... All I've ever said is that his Rach 3 was awful and lifeless.

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#536118 - 06/18/05 09:19 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Sorry, no I wasn't trying to corner you; I just thought from your post that you must have heard more.


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#536119 - 06/18/05 09:35 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have at least a half dozen recordings of the Rach 3. To me, the Cliburn recording is the best due to the emotional intensity of the performance. I would place Horowitz second, and Lazar Berman dead last.

When the Berman recording came out in the 70s I remember buying it because of a favorable review I read, but to me, it is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
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#536120 - 06/27/05 06:16 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
feb2000 Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Anima:
I like Horowitz's 1978 live rec (the filmed one) more than his 1951 one.

Besides that one, I love Sokolov's (the one Reaper hates), Kapell and Cherkassky's live one, I believe it's from the 50's-ish. Rachmaninoff's own recording is amazing too, I love what he does with the repeated notes part in the 2nd movement.

Cliburn's just boring to me, and Volodos is a good recording if you want to hear how it "should" be played, not fantasizing too much and stuff.. [/b]
The filmed one??? I have been dreaming for years of seeing it! What format? DVD?...
As for me, I cherish all those who have played this beloved concerto. What about the great Emil Gilels in Moscow, in 1949, despite the quality of recording?...

(I have Horowitz 1978, Rachmaninov 1939, Wild, Gieseking 1940, Luganski, Gavrilov (I like it very much), Gilels, and some more...)

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#536121 - 06/28/05 09:08 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
Reaper Man Offline
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I have heard Ashkenazy, Helfgott, Rachmaninoff and Alicia De Larroch play the Rach 3, as well as Sokolov. SO I have have heard 5 recordings... Not too bad, but I know there's more out there.

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#536122 - 06/28/05 04:56 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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if you dont mind me asking whats the opus number for rach third and whut makes the piece so hard?
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#536123 - 06/28/05 05:11 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
pianojerome Offline
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Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 30

Feb2000, I"ve got a VHS of Horowitz performing the Rach 3 with Zubin Mehta and the New York Philharmonic. It's quite good, especially for a 75-year-old man with 75-year-old fingers...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=glance&s=video

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89th Key has been raving about Nato Ts'vereli over in "The New Coffee Room." It's the only recording that he's heard of this concerto, and he's so in love with it!

Anybody else heard of this pianist? (I haven't!)
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#536124 - 06/28/05 05:30 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
pianojerome Offline
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Originally posted by Hazard2010:
if you dont mind me asking whats the opus number for rach third and whut makes the piece so hard? [/b]
Op. 30

What makes this piece so hard? Listen for yourself: 3rd Movement (5-Minute Sample)

It's from the disc " Horowitz Plays Rachmaninov ." Fantastic recording.
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#536125 - 06/28/05 07:33 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I think this piece is way harder than it sounds. I remember hearing it and saying "what's the fuss, I could play this easy?" And so I get the music for it and still say "It doesn't look tooooo hard." Playing it is a whole different story.

And regarding Rach 2, it's just darned awkward!
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#536126 - 06/28/05 08:18 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have the Volodos recording on the way, just listened to Hamelin play it and then promptly threw my beloved Abbey Simon version in the garbage. ;\)
(Hamelin makes it sound too easy, not sure why he wastes his time with this piece.)

Hopefully I can find the Berezovsky version.....
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#536127 - 06/28/05 09:23 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
TS Offline
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Registered: 01/27/04
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Loc: Canada
 Quote:
Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
I have the Volodos recording on the way, just listened to Hamelin play it and then promptly threw my beloved Abbey Simon version in the garbage. ;\)
(Hamelin makes it sound too easy, not sure why he wastes his time with this piece.)

Hopefully I can find the Berezovsky version..... [/b]
I'm quickly becoming a very big Hamelin fan, but I didnt know he recorded the Rach 3. Is it on a commercial disc? If so, what label?

Thanks,

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#536128 - 06/28/05 11:01 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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No, it is a pirate recording. Frankly, I think it is pretty bad.
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#536129 - 06/29/05 05:43 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
pianojerome Offline
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Iamcanadian (or anybody else),

Have you heard Nato Ts'vereli's recording of this one? The 89th Key has been raving about it lately in the new coffee room.
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#536130 - 06/29/05 06:12 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ts,

It's a bootleg, I don't think Rach 3 is suited for Hamelin though. It's a 'bangers' concerto.
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#536131 - 06/29/05 06:15 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
pianojerome Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
It's a 'bangers' concerto. [/b]
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#536132 - 06/29/05 06:20 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
It's a 'bangers' concerto. [/b]
That's unfortunately true for most pianists, but the best performances of it make music out of it - Cliburn is the first that comes to mind.
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#536133 - 06/29/05 08:28 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
Carl_Tausig Offline
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Pianojerome,
Perhaps I should have said "show off" concerto, very few people attend a rach 3 to 'listen', they attend to 'watch'. ;\)
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#536134 - 06/29/05 08:32 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
Bassio Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Brendan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
It's a 'bangers' concerto. [/b]
That's unfortunately true for most pianists, but the best performances of it make music out of it - Cliburn is the first that comes to mind. [/b]
And rachmaninoff himself, i think.

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#536135 - 06/29/05 09:37 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
pianojerome Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
Pianojerome,
Perhaps I should have said "show off" concerto, very few people attend a rach 3 to 'listen', they attend to 'watch'. ;\) [/b]
Heh, not pianojerome. ;\)

It's a tough piece, and a lot of people probably don't play it so well. But there are some truly musical performances out there. And yes, I have seen it - on a VHS by Horowitz - and he makes it look incredibly easy. Some parts look hard, but most of it under Horowitz looks so very comfortable.
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#536136 - 06/29/05 10:55 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ashkenazy is Rachmaninoff reincarnated, and for those who are looking for any recordings, this is the site.

ArkivMusic.com

EVERYTHING CLASSICAL here my friends, anything you want.
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#536137 - 06/29/05 10:57 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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"Ashkenazy is Rachmaninoff reincarnated"

IMHO!!!, sorry
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#536138 - 06/30/05 05:07 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
Ts,

It's a bootleg, I don't think Rach 3 is suited for Hamelin though. It's a 'bangers' concerto. [/b]
He's stopping over here in mid-Sep to play this with the Singapore Symphony.... Not sure what to expect, having read a lot of differing thoughts..

Time will tell

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#536139 - 07/04/05 10:22 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
feb2000 Offline
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Registered: 06/26/05
Posts: 5
Loc: Mortefontaine, France
 Quote:
Originally posted by pianojerome:
Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 30

Feb2000, I"ve got a VHS of Horowitz performing the Rach 3 with Zubin Mehta and the New York Philharmonic. It's quite good, especially for a 75-year-old man with 75-year-old fingers...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=glance&s=video

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89th Key has been raving about Nato Ts'vereli over in "The New Coffee Room." It's the only recording that he's heard of this concerto, and he's so in love with it!

Anybody else heard of this pianist? (I haven't!) [/b]
Thank you Pianojerome. Nothing on the Carnegie Hall 1978 concert? Why does the cd of that concert mention that some parts were re-recorded after the concert? Is it why there is no video of it?...
Does anyone knwo why Richter never recorded it (nor played?...)?...

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