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#536050 - 06/13/05 07:55 AM Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Can anyone recommend a good recording of this piece? Preferrably from a good label (Deutsche Grammophon and the like). And if it happens to have an SACD release, then all the better!

Thanks a bunch!

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#536051 - 06/13/05 08:16 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have quite a lot, but my favourite is the Hough recording on Hyperion - purely because I'm a cheapskate student and it has recordings of all the concerti and the Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini. And its very good. Quite nippy though in terms of tempo.

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#536052 - 06/13/05 08:42 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Find Cliburn or Sokolov's. They are my favorite for that piece.
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#536053 - 06/13/05 09:12 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Do a search for Rach 3 recordings on this forum; you'll find a ton of info and recommendations.

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#536054 - 06/13/05 09:35 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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LL>MACH3 :rolleyes:
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#536055 - 06/13/05 09:56 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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lol...LL and Mach3 ride the at the top of the pianists corner yet again.

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#536056 - 06/13/05 10:06 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Volodos on Sony Classical, is quite good, and is available as an sacd

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#536057 - 06/13/05 10:16 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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i just got that volodos one. darn it, tower records didn't have an SACD one.

you get these trembles going down your spine everytime that first movement opens up with its haunting melody.

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#536058 - 06/13/05 10:22 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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... then your mind goes crazy when the second mvt. merges into the third mvt.. So fantastic. That is a great piece.
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#536059 - 06/13/05 10:49 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Yes, Volodos; it's spectacular, and live! I seem to remember being impressed with Lazar Berman's, but it's been years since hearing it. Gieseking's is interesting - what a mind at work! He makes such long lines, which is indispensable in Rachmaninoff. Not the cleanest, though, but worth a listen.

My personal favorite (never mind the fact that she is one of my former teachers) is the recording that Ann Schein made for Kapp records in the late '50s, with Eugene Goosens leading the Vienna State opera orchestra. She was, I think, 19 or 20 years old! It's a smashing recording, technically astounding and very mature, but you can't find it on CD. (I've actually been fortunate enough, in my years of study with her, to actually accompany her on a second piano, and let me tell you: she owns this piece.)

Another way you could hear her play the piece, though not that particular recording, is to go to the Pitkin County Library in Aspen - where she teaches in the summertime - and find the performance she did with Jorge Mester leading the Aspen Festival Orchestra from, I think, 1986...It's even better than the Kapp recording, and it's live - you can *feel* the audience leaping to their feet at the end - truly visceral!!)

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I'll bet Hough's is amazing, though I haven't yet heard it.
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#536060 - 06/13/05 10:57 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Byron Janis and Horowitz are both spectacular.
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#536061 - 06/13/05 11:45 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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FYI, the Volodos is edited from multiple live performances. So technically, it's both live and edited. \:D
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#536062 - 06/13/05 11:46 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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That library is fantastic. Every recorded performance from the Aspen festival for the past few decades is available there.

If anyone ever goes to Aspen, the Pitkin Co. library should definitely be in your plans!

(I smuggled a minidisc recorder in and grabbed a few things while I was there. \:D )

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Another way you could hear her play the piece, though not that particular recording, is to go to the Pitkin County Library in Aspen - where she teaches in the summertime - and find the performance she did with Jorge Mester leading the Aspen Festival Orchestra from, I think, 1986...It's even better than the Kapp recording, and it's live - you can *feel* the audience leaping to their feet at the end - truly visceral!!)

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I'll bet Hough's is amazing, though I haven't yet heard it. [/b]
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#536063 - 06/13/05 11:52 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Argerich really "Rachs" this piece on DG.
The other recording I really like is the Horowitz Jubilee one.
I didn't know about the Volodos rendition; I'm sure it's uh-mazing too.
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#536064 - 06/13/05 12:22 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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It seems no one has mentioned Ashkenazy, I'd have to say that he is my personal Favorite.
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#536065 - 06/13/05 01:25 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Horowitz (1930), Horowitz-Reiner (1951), Volodos. I also like Rachmaninoff's own recording, but it's a little harder to find. I don't have a copy of it; I just happened to be fortunate enough to listen to it once. I'll do some digging if you're interested in that one, but I suspect there might be others in the forum who have a bootleg of it. (The recording was never meant for sale.)
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#536066 - 06/13/05 01:31 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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You can find R's own recording of the R3 on Naxos Historical. It's inexpensive, and contains also a fine account of R2...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...555108?v=glance

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#536067 - 06/13/05 03:30 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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2 days ago, for 7 dollars, I got a CD recording of Rachmaninoff himself playing his 2nd and 3rd concerti
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#536068 - 06/13/05 03:49 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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If you want to try a few recordings before you buy, here you can download quite a few in mp3 format (Cliburn, Horowitz, Ashkenazy, Volodos and Rachmaninov's own recording) :
http://classic.manual.ru/

Russian site... The names appear in English in the bar at the bottom of your browser. Choose Rachmaninov in the long list on the left.
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#536069 - 06/13/05 03:55 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have Rach's recording of it, I don't like it, for some reason I'm so used to the splendour of Horowitz's rendition it seems to me Rach does things too differently. Though I must say his cadenza is still probably the best played I ever heard ;-)
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#536070 - 06/13/05 04:00 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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2 days ago, for 7 dollars, I got a CD recording of Rachmaninoff himself playing his 2nd and 3rd concerti
:D I love technology. Imagine how much a recording of a piece played by Liszt or Chopin would be worth today, if one magically popped up . I'm just thankful that Rachmaninov and Prokofiev came about at a good time. ;\)

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#536071 - 06/13/05 04:02 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I've actually sampled original Rachmaninov's own performance through itunes music store. If only it weren't for the mediocre quality. To truly enjoy the performance you need to feel the depth and clarity of the piano, and the orchestra, you need to feel its substance and power. It's difficult to do so once you've become accustomed to digital stereo recordings :-/

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#536072 - 06/13/05 04:12 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have to say that Hough's recording is superb... I used to say Argerich was the best, but I'm changing my mind, and putting Hough there. He plays the final movement even QUICKER than Argerich, and it just fizzes with energy...

Very nippy in tempi, but it seems to make sense to me. The ending is an OMFG moment, as his octaves accelerate away...

The 2nd is also superb, with the same choice of briskness. No overbearing schmaltz, just a superb interpretation which lets the music breathe naturally...

And the Paganini Rhapsody is equally good. He played it live here, a few weeks ago, and it brought the house down. You've GOT to love those octaves at the end. And to watch him play them - well,...

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#536073 - 06/13/05 05:01 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Sokolov
Katsaris
Horowitz (1951)
Santiago Rodriguez (1994) - My favorite of all
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#536074 - 06/13/05 08:55 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I second Opus Maximus' choices, except I'd replace the Horowitz with Cliburn and Katsaris (which I haven't heard -- I'm sure it's first class) with Leif Ove Andsnes (which may be the best completely live recording ever made).
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#536075 - 06/13/05 09:22 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by Emanuel Ravelli:
Leif Ove Andsnes (which may be the best completely live recording ever made). [/b]
Too bad the Andsnes recording was a mix of two or three different concerts \:\)

The Cliburn/Kondrashin is the best live recording, in my opinion.
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#536076 - 06/13/05 09:25 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Hough is my current favorite.
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#536077 - 06/13/05 09:27 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I severely despise the Hough recording. I prefer Helfgott's over Hough's for sure. \:\)
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#536078 - 06/13/05 09:46 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by iamcanadian:
I severely despise the Hough recording. I prefer Helfgott's over Hough's for sure. \:\) [/b]
Harsh, but okay. \:\)
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#536079 - 06/13/05 10:04 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I just didn't find alot of music in Hough's recording. The Rachmaninoff 3rd is a very powerful piece, but in his hands it sounds like a circus act.

I'm probably alone on this one, though.
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#536080 - 06/13/05 10:10 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Yeah, I'll give the third movement to you on that point, but I thought the first movement (esp. the cadenza) was very powerful.
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#536081 - 06/13/05 10:12 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Emanuel Ravelli:
Leif Ove Andsnes (which may be the best completely live recording ever made). [/b]
You think that Andsnes's live performance is better than Volodos's?

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#536082 - 06/13/05 10:40 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by iamcanadian:
I severely despise the Hough recording. I prefer Helfgott's over Hough's for sure. \:\) [/b]
Let's say things we can't take back.

NO ONE!!! likes the Helfgott recording.
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#536083 - 06/13/05 11:14 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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NO ONE!!! likes the Helfgott recording.
Except for the guy a while back who said it was awesome and then we all told him what we thought of his opinion and he never came back...hehe :rolleyes:

Personally, my favorites are Argerich and Volodos. And as soon as soon as I listen to the Cliburn and Horowitz version some more, I'll have new favorites; but that's just how it works. ;\)

I think I'll give Hough a listen next though; haven't even looked into this one.

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#536084 - 06/13/05 11:17 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I saw Stephen Hough play it live and it was phenomenal....maybe even better than any recording made of it.

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#536085 - 06/13/05 11:46 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I just didn't find alot of music in Hough's recording. The Rachmaninoff 3rd is a very powerful piece, but in his hands it sounds like a circus act.

I'm probably alone on this one, though.
I lean a little toward iamcanadian on this one (I saw him live). I don't think the extreme speed was a problem (he probably played the third movement in under 10 minutes), but I would've liked to feel a little more emotion.
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#536086 - 06/14/05 12:46 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I just didn't find alot of music in Hough's recording. The Rachmaninoff 3rd is a very powerful piece, but in his hands it sounds like a circus act.

I'm probably alone on this one, though.
I lean a little toward iamcanadian on this one (I saw him live). I don't think the extreme speed was a problem (he probably played the third movement in under 10 minutes), but I would've liked to feel a little more emotion. [/b]
Holy crap! That bests Volodos and Horowitz by 2.5 minutes! What kind of insane playing was the guy doing, and did he play anything slower than "prestissimo possible"? (I couldn't imagine the fast parts faster than Horowitz or Volodos, and I'm not sure if they should be any faster...but to cut 2.5 minutes off...that means severely speeding up the slower parts. I'm not sure how that would sound....)
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#536087 - 06/14/05 02:37 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by ignorant kid:
2 days ago, for 7 dollars, I got a CD recording of Rachmaninoff himself playing his 2nd and 3rd concerti [/b]
Hate to say this, but you could have gone to that russian site and got those Exact Pieces played by Rachmaninoff for free.

Anyway, Good Recordings include Volodos, Horowitz and Ashkenazy, but for the Love of God - Solokov is the worst person for Playing Rachmaninoff COncertos, so don't bother with him.

And out of curiousity - Who the heck or what the heck started all this Mach 3 crap??? Have I missed the Joke???

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#536088 - 06/14/05 02:47 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I attended a Hough performance last year and heard another on the radio recently, and the final movement was about the same as the recording (13 mins). Both were quite messy, colourless performances, to be honest.

I do like his Hyperion recording, but once you've enjoyed the "circus act", to borrow iamcanadian's words, I don't think it bears repeated listenings terribly well.

Sokolov fans: Anyone heard the (pirate, I assume?) recording with Gergiev? Really marvellous, I think, and the piano doesn't go out of tune on this one. \:\)


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#536089 - 06/14/05 06:29 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Opus_Maximus:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Emanuel Ravelli:
Leif Ove Andsnes (which may be the best completely live recording ever made). [/b]
You think that Andsnes's live performance is better than Volodos's? [/b]
Yes, I do, though it's a very close call. Volodos' performance has sparkle and dash, but I like the power and the overall musical conception in Andsnes' interpretation.
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#536090 - 06/14/05 06:33 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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What do you guys think of Byron Janis? I prefer his 1st movement to the others I've got (Andsnes, Ashkenazy/Fistoulari, Ashkenazy/Previn, Wild, Horowitz/Reiner, Horowitz/Mehta), even to the Horowitz/Reiner, which is quite good.

I liked Andsnes, though I felt it sounded a bit too relaxed in the 3rd movement...
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#536091 - 06/14/05 07:49 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Not too many have mentioned Cliburn. His is still one of my favorites. He doesn't try to take it at mach (pardon the pun) speeds like most, and it's just gorgeous. My other favorites are Horowitz/Reiner and Horowitz/Ormandy.

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#536092 - 06/14/05 04:32 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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The only reason I have never mentioned Cliburn is because I have never heard any of his recordings (I know - shame on me).

Out of Curiosity, what did people think of Cziffra??? Any good?

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#536093 - 06/14/05 04:37 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Cziffra made a Rach 3 recording??!!

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#536094 - 06/14/05 04:37 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Anyway, Good Recordings include Volodos, Horowitz and Ashkenazy, but for the Love of God - Solokov is the worst person for Playing Rachmaninoff COncertos, so don't bother with him. [/b]
Everyone[/b] disagrees with you.
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#536095 - 06/14/05 06:55 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by pianojerome:
What do you guys think of Byron Janis? ... [/b]
I should have mentioned him in my original list. The one big drawback is that he plays the "baby" cadenza to the first movement, but he does a fabulous job with the entire piece, especially the transition from the 2nd movement to the finale.

Janis was one of the great talents of the century -- I love just about everything of his I've heard. But my absolute favorite has to be his recording of the the Rachmaninoff 2nd with Dorati conducting (the London Symph., I think?). The first minute of the finale still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
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#536096 - 06/14/05 11:29 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by iamcanadian:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Reaper Man:
for the Love of God - Solokov is the worst person for Playing Rachmaninoff COncertos, so don't bother with him. [/b]
Everyone[/b] disagrees with you. [/b]
WRONG!!!! He is TRULY awful. He should be shot for Playing Rachmaninoff Concertos. There are hundreds and hundreds of Pianists way better than him.

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#536097 - 06/15/05 12:30 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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This ^ from someone who championed Helfgott only a few months ago. \:\)

Sokolov is one of the greatest living pianists.

I recommend you join the Sokolov Yahoo group and have a listen to some of the recordings its members have made available. If you still don't enjoy his playing after that, so be it.


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#536098 - 06/15/05 02:26 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Sokolov is one of the greatest living pianists.
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Maybe so, but His Rach 3 still sucks. I HAVE heard it and it was dreadful. I will however listen to his other performances of other pieces... See if they are any good.

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#536099 - 06/16/05 01:38 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Anyone heard about Rafael Orozco ?

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#536100 - 06/16/05 02:56 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I read about Orozco, who has some good reviews of the 3rd at Amazon.

For me, Berman is my closest ideal. My LP has him with Abbado.

I have an old tape with Jewgenij Mogiljewskij, with the Moscow Symphony Orchestra and Kyrill Kondraschin. His name does not appear if searching with google. I quite like it and have made an mp3 of it. I have just been listening to it again before posting. Since Jewgenij Mogiljewskij is not well known (I think), is it ok to offer this obscure recording for interest? It reminds me of Moiseiwitsch who was once considered second rate, and as a result many of his master recordings were thrown away to our loss.
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#536101 - 06/16/05 03:13 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Orozco has the nice cheap Phillips box set. Flawless playing, has the chord cadenza for the 3rd, and overall is pretty conservative playing. It probably won't offend anyone, but it won't astound anyone either.

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#536102 - 06/16/05 03:35 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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John - With a bit of orthographic tweaking, that name brings up some interesting things in Google. Try Yevgeny/Evgeny Moguilevsky/Mogilevsky instead.

Under "Evgeny Moguilevsky", I found a listing for a Rachmaninoff 3rd recording from the 1964 Queen Elisabeth Competition, where it appears he won 1st Prize. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the same pianist.


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#536103 - 06/16/05 03:58 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Orozco has the nice cheap Phillips box set. Flawless playing, has the chord cadenza for the 3rd, and overall is pretty conservative playing. It probably won't offend anyone, but it won't astound anyone either.[/b]
Well I am certainly astounded about Orozco's rach 3rd, must say, though I think I only have heard Rachmaninovs, (I think it was) Rubinsteins and Orozcos version and like much better Orozcos.

Definitively between the Rubinstein and Orozcos versions of the 2nd I prefer Orozcos.

Never heards the other versions mentioned in this thread though. Looking forward to listen to Volodos, Sokolov and Horowitz Rach 3rd versions.

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#536104 - 06/16/05 04:10 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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David

I found an LP listed at http://members.aol.com/peter23rd/trade/classic.html - Konzert fr Klavier u. Orchester Nr. 3 op.30 - Mogiljewskij, Kondraschin - D, Eurodisc 73625 - $8

Anyone slse no more of him?
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#536105 - 06/16/05 04:58 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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David, well done you are correct. See Yevgueni Moguilevski at

http://patachonf.free.fr/musique/kondrachine/discographie.php?p=tout

with even a photo of the 1966 record and of Moguilevski on it.
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#536106 - 06/17/05 06:24 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ashkenazy.

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#536107 - 06/17/05 09:06 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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alright, time to put what I've found into this thread.


I am OBSESSED with Rachmaninoff, and of course, his third concerto.

I own several recordings of this (computer and on cd).

My favorite recordings would go like this......

1. Van Cliburn (musical as hell)
2. Rachmaninoff (very fast, but so emotional)
3. Rafael Orozco (impressive and musical)
4. Horowitz (on his Horowitz plays Rach cd) His octaves at the end, are, of course, unbeatable.

All of the rest do nothing for me. Although he's my favorite pianist, I find Ashkenazy's tempos to be a bit too far under, yet he still has a nice interpretation, and it's worth a buy.... but GO FOR CLIBURN!!!

What's IMPRESSIVE is Volodos's interpretation, but I think that musically it sucks when compared to Rach or Van Cliburn.

I'd recommend checking out Garrick Ohlssohn's recording if he has one. I've heard from people that his concert of Rach 3 was incredible.


My thoughts are that Van Cliburn owns this concerto. Every moment is an eargasm

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#536108 - 06/17/05 09:12 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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By the way, I wouldn't listen to whomever recommended Sokolov's recording.

It's boring, and lacks personality.

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#536109 - 06/17/05 09:18 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ive got to hear these recording by Van Cliburn and Horowitz. Ive only heard Lang Lang play it, and he is a very talented pianist. Please send any links or tell me if you have recordings that u could send me via email by these other pianists
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#536110 - 06/17/05 09:24 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ive got to hear these recording by Van Cliburn and Horowitz. Ive only heard Lang Lang play it, and he is a very talented pianist. Please send any links or tell me if you have recordings that u could send me via email by these other pianists [/b]
I've heard Lang Lang's live on the radio - although he is obviously very technically talented, I thought that his Rach 3 was mediocre.

Surprisingly, he kept the tempos slow, and there wasn't much music behind it IMO.

Anyway, we have a solution!!!

http://classic.manual.ru/

go there, and yes, it's all in Russian, HOWEVER, you can make out what it says in the bottom left of the screen. Then you can find Rachmaninoff, his Rach 3 played by Horowitz (3 different versions!), Van Cliburn (!), Rachmaninoff (!), Volodos....and I believe Ashkenazy.

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#536111 - 06/17/05 09:44 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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By the way, I wouldn't listen to whomever recommended Sokolov's recording.

It's boring, and lacks personality. [/b]
THANK GOD - Someone with Sense. Sokolov's recording are horrible, they're too fast and their lifeless (emotionally.)

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#536112 - 06/17/05 09:49 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Where can you get Lang Langs recording of Rachmaninoffs 3rd??? Anyway to get it online... cause I sure as hell won't be able to get it in Australia.

Most australians (I mean general public and CD Stores) couldn't give a crap about Classical Music. They're all SPORTS orientated....

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#536113 - 06/17/05 10:10 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Stop asking for MP3s. Go out and buy the stupid CD.
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#536114 - 06/17/05 11:14 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Bugger off iamcanadian....

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#536115 - 06/18/05 01:49 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Sokolov's recording are horrible, they're too fast and their lifeless (emotionally.) [/b]
That opinion is - ironically - so antipodal to my own that I'm sure we'll never agree, but I am genuinely curious to know which of his recordings (besides the Rach 3) you have heard. Thanks,


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#536116 - 06/18/05 04:57 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I like Horowitz's 1978 live rec (the filmed one) more than his 1951 one.

Besides that one, I love Sokolov's (the one Reaper hates), Kapell and Cherkassky's live one, I believe it's from the 50's-ish. Rachmaninoff's own recording is amazing too, I love what he does with the repeated notes part in the 2nd movement.

Cliburn's just boring to me, and Volodos is a good recording if you want to hear how it "should" be played, not fantasizing too much and stuff..

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#536117 - 06/18/05 08:44 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by Reaper Man:
Sokolov's recording are horrible, they're too fast and their lifeless (emotionally.) [/b]
That opinion is - ironically - so antipodal to my own that I'm sure we'll never agree, but I am genuinely curious to know which of his recordings (besides the Rach 3) you have heard. Thanks,


David [/b]
OK... Maybe I haven't heard any else of Sokolov's Performances, and I have never come across them. The only thing I have ever heard is Sokolov playing Rachmaninoff's 3rd.

And before you say - There you go, you've never heard any of his other pieces, how could you know... All I've ever said is that his Rach 3 was awful and lifeless.

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#536118 - 06/18/05 09:19 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Sorry, no I wasn't trying to corner you; I just thought from your post that you must have heard more.


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#536119 - 06/18/05 09:35 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have at least a half dozen recordings of the Rach 3. To me, the Cliburn recording is the best due to the emotional intensity of the performance. I would place Horowitz second, and Lazar Berman dead last.

When the Berman recording came out in the 70s I remember buying it because of a favorable review I read, but to me, it is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
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#536120 - 06/27/05 06:16 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Anima:
I like Horowitz's 1978 live rec (the filmed one) more than his 1951 one.

Besides that one, I love Sokolov's (the one Reaper hates), Kapell and Cherkassky's live one, I believe it's from the 50's-ish. Rachmaninoff's own recording is amazing too, I love what he does with the repeated notes part in the 2nd movement.

Cliburn's just boring to me, and Volodos is a good recording if you want to hear how it "should" be played, not fantasizing too much and stuff.. [/b]
The filmed one??? I have been dreaming for years of seeing it! What format? DVD?...
As for me, I cherish all those who have played this beloved concerto. What about the great Emil Gilels in Moscow, in 1949, despite the quality of recording?...

(I have Horowitz 1978, Rachmaninov 1939, Wild, Gieseking 1940, Luganski, Gavrilov (I like it very much), Gilels, and some more...)

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#536121 - 06/28/05 09:08 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have heard Ashkenazy, Helfgott, Rachmaninoff and Alicia De Larroch play the Rach 3, as well as Sokolov. SO I have have heard 5 recordings... Not too bad, but I know there's more out there.

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#536122 - 06/28/05 04:56 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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if you dont mind me asking whats the opus number for rach third and whut makes the piece so hard?
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#536123 - 06/28/05 05:11 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 30

Feb2000, I"ve got a VHS of Horowitz performing the Rach 3 with Zubin Mehta and the New York Philharmonic. It's quite good, especially for a 75-year-old man with 75-year-old fingers...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=glance&s=video

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89th Key has been raving about Nato Ts'vereli over in "The New Coffee Room." It's the only recording that he's heard of this concerto, and he's so in love with it!

Anybody else heard of this pianist? (I haven't!)
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#536124 - 06/28/05 05:30 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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if you dont mind me asking whats the opus number for rach third and whut makes the piece so hard? [/b]
Op. 30

What makes this piece so hard? Listen for yourself: 3rd Movement (5-Minute Sample)

It's from the disc " Horowitz Plays Rachmaninov ." Fantastic recording.
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#536125 - 06/28/05 07:33 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I think this piece is way harder than it sounds. I remember hearing it and saying "what's the fuss, I could play this easy?" And so I get the music for it and still say "It doesn't look tooooo hard." Playing it is a whole different story.

And regarding Rach 2, it's just darned awkward!
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#536126 - 06/28/05 08:18 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I have the Volodos recording on the way, just listened to Hamelin play it and then promptly threw my beloved Abbey Simon version in the garbage. ;\)
(Hamelin makes it sound too easy, not sure why he wastes his time with this piece.)

Hopefully I can find the Berezovsky version.....
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#536127 - 06/28/05 09:23 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
I have the Volodos recording on the way, just listened to Hamelin play it and then promptly threw my beloved Abbey Simon version in the garbage. ;\)
(Hamelin makes it sound too easy, not sure why he wastes his time with this piece.)

Hopefully I can find the Berezovsky version..... [/b]
I'm quickly becoming a very big Hamelin fan, but I didnt know he recorded the Rach 3. Is it on a commercial disc? If so, what label?

Thanks,

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#536128 - 06/28/05 11:01 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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No, it is a pirate recording. Frankly, I think it is pretty bad.
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#536129 - 06/29/05 05:43 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Iamcanadian (or anybody else),

Have you heard Nato Ts'vereli's recording of this one? The 89th Key has been raving about it lately in the new coffee room.
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#536130 - 06/29/05 06:12 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ts,

It's a bootleg, I don't think Rach 3 is suited for Hamelin though. It's a 'bangers' concerto.
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#536131 - 06/29/05 06:15 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
It's a 'bangers' concerto. [/b]
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#536132 - 06/29/05 06:20 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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It's a 'bangers' concerto. [/b]
That's unfortunately true for most pianists, but the best performances of it make music out of it - Cliburn is the first that comes to mind.
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#536133 - 06/29/05 08:28 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Pianojerome,
Perhaps I should have said "show off" concerto, very few people attend a rach 3 to 'listen', they attend to 'watch'. ;\)
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#536134 - 06/29/05 08:32 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Carl_Tausig:
It's a 'bangers' concerto. [/b]
That's unfortunately true for most pianists, but the best performances of it make music out of it - Cliburn is the first that comes to mind. [/b]
And rachmaninoff himself, i think.

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#536135 - 06/29/05 09:37 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Pianojerome,
Perhaps I should have said "show off" concerto, very few people attend a rach 3 to 'listen', they attend to 'watch'. ;\) [/b]
Heh, not pianojerome. ;\)

It's a tough piece, and a lot of people probably don't play it so well. But there are some truly musical performances out there. And yes, I have seen it - on a VHS by Horowitz - and he makes it look incredibly easy. Some parts look hard, but most of it under Horowitz looks so very comfortable.
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#536136 - 06/29/05 10:55 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ashkenazy is Rachmaninoff reincarnated, and for those who are looking for any recordings, this is the site.

ArkivMusic.com

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#536137 - 06/29/05 10:57 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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"Ashkenazy is Rachmaninoff reincarnated"

IMHO!!!, sorry
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#536138 - 06/30/05 05:07 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Ts,

It's a bootleg, I don't think Rach 3 is suited for Hamelin though. It's a 'bangers' concerto. [/b]
He's stopping over here in mid-Sep to play this with the Singapore Symphony.... Not sure what to expect, having read a lot of differing thoughts..

Time will tell

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#536139 - 07/04/05 10:22 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Originally posted by pianojerome:
Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 30

Feb2000, I"ve got a VHS of Horowitz performing the Rach 3 with Zubin Mehta and the New York Philharmonic. It's quite good, especially for a 75-year-old man with 75-year-old fingers...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=glance&s=video

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89th Key has been raving about Nato Ts'vereli over in "The New Coffee Room." It's the only recording that he's heard of this concerto, and he's so in love with it!

Anybody else heard of this pianist? (I haven't!) [/b]
Thank you Pianojerome. Nothing on the Carnegie Hall 1978 concert? Why does the cd of that concert mention that some parts were re-recorded after the concert? Is it why there is no video of it?...
Does anyone knwo why Richter never recorded it (nor played?...)?...

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#536140 - 07/04/05 11:37 AM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Richter never recorded it, because he felt he didn't need to. In his mind, there were already so many good recordings of it, and he wanted to spend his time recording other repertoire.
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#536141 - 07/04/05 01:02 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Apparently he didn't record it because Gavrilov played it so well.

Same goes for the Brahms 1st Concerto(Gilels), the Chopin 1st(Neuhaus) and the Beethoven 5th(Neuhaus again).
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#536142 - 07/04/05 01:06 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I just noticed that the baby in your avatar is playing the piano! (I forget his name...)

\:D
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#536143 - 07/04/05 01:11 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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Stewie \:D

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#536144 - 07/04/05 07:01 PM Re: Good recording of Rach's 3rd?
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I've always wondered what Stewie was doing in that picture. I couldn't tell if he was like moving a rock or something but now I do know. Heh speaking of Family Guy, I just bought the DVD set and their a little scene in which Stewie is giving a piano lesson and he tells the kid the wrong note in a simple melodie are electificed so the kid hits a wrong note and says he doesn't want to play piano. Then I laughed even harder when Stewie says, what, do you want to play the bassoon lol. And a girl playing bassoon is over a pool of water with a shark in it and it lowers when she squeeks lol.


Sorry for going off topic.
I only have one recording of Rach 3 and that is Ashkanezy with LSO-Previn. I enjoy it although I think I need another one. But there are so many! I think I'll just read through this thread(again).

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