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#539086 - 12/03/07 09:56 PM Chopin Op25 No12
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I've done 10/3, 10/12 and 21/1 and I got assigned this today...Isn't it supposed to be quite a bit harder than the others I've studied?

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#539087 - 12/03/07 09:57 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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Sorry typo I meant 25/1, not 21/1...

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#539088 - 12/03/07 11:02 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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Its not too much harder. The hardest part (i find anyway) about this etude is endurance.
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#539089 - 12/05/07 08:22 AM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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Just a little bit harder...but not extremely far away from the difficulty of 25/1.

Loki is right, endurance is the issue here, but slow practice will help you get it.

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#539090 - 12/05/07 08:57 AM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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#539091 - 12/05/07 11:39 AM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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Originally posted by diinin:
Is that this one?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W8d0P6zd1Hs [/b]
Yes, that's the Etude in c minor, Op 25, No 12.

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#539092 - 12/05/07 11:56 AM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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What do you think of that kid, Bruce?
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#539093 - 12/05/07 01:28 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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What do you think of that kid, Bruce? [/b]
I think he's quite phenomenal, although this is not a performance that I would even think of rating.

It would be unfair to compare this performance with that of a mature artist; there are moments where dynamics have to be reviewed, a few flaws corrected, and perhaps some cleaning up of the texture in spots. The kid is/was only 10 years old, he certainly has the ability to play this and play it well; I am very impressed.

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#539094 - 12/05/07 08:02 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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Now I've never played any other Chopin Etudes, this was my first. So I can't compare, but I just finished it not that long ago, and it wasn't nearly as difficult as I expected it to be, but like Loki said, the endurance part is what gets me. Otherwise, with a few exceptions here and there, I don't think it's that hard of an etude.
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#539095 - 12/06/07 08:49 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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On the bright side, I found it rather easy to memorize. It's just a matter of remembering the chord progressions.
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#539096 - 12/06/07 08:58 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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I worked through the first two pages today and it seems manageable actually. My teacher told me a cool way to practice the jumps - hold the not with the 5th finger and then switch to thumb while its still held down, vice versa descending. Any other advice ?

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#539097 - 12/08/07 11:59 AM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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Practice it in chords as well, I find that's always useful. I also found practicing it with different touches really helped me learn the notes, like playing it super stacatto, then play it super legato, etc.

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#539098 - 12/10/07 02:26 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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New question - in measure 16 there is a difference between my two editions. This is where the strongly syncopated melody comes in: Schirmer (edited by Friedhelm) has the Eb - D - F, and Paderewski has Eb - D - G. Which is correct? From the recordings I have (Pollini and Arau) it sounds like the F, but Paderewski is usually the best Chopin edition. Anyone know what the deal is here?

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#539099 - 12/10/07 03:33 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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Measure 16?

It's not an Eb, it's an E natural. In Henle (1961 edition, ed. Zimmermann) the E naturals are followed by D, F, C.

This makes sense, because it parallels the intervals in measure 24 where the C is followed by Bb, Db, C.

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#539100 - 12/10/07 08:45 PM Re: Chopin Op25 No12
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yeh E natural sorry about that I posted in a hurry without really looking at it. The F or G was my main question - I asked my teacher and she said F is what she's always played - since that sounds better and is easier I guess I'll go with it.

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