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#556642 - 04/12/06 03:18 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!
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It was an epochal sort of three-way love at first sight when Johannes Brahms first showed up on the doorstep, and then at the piano of Clara and Robert Schumann in 1853.

It was a "secret union of kindred spirits," genius and love in many dimensions, and something more: Schumann, who was 43, saw a successor to Beethoven in the 20-year-old Brahms, but more than the "new eagle" of German music he saw "another John the Baptist," a savior whose revelations would stymie the world for centuries. Clara, who was 33, saw a rare and beautiful character in Brahms, sent by God and transfigured by his own music.

In Robert Schumann, young Brahms saw a mentor on the way to madness; in Clara he saw the love of his life-a woman who didn't promise heaven but revealed it to him. Together they lived the mysteries of romantic passion and wove them into every theme and variation of romantic music. Join us for A musical triangle for all time.
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#556643 - 04/12/06 05:49 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!
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Brahms was also friends with Schumann. When Schumann tried to kill himself, failed, and went to the looney bin (where he died), Brahms was in the process of writing his first (D Minor) piano concerto, and he was so depressed about his friend. You can hear this intense sadness and anger in Brahms's first concerto.

Brahms must have also been slightly relieved, though, because after Robby died, Brahms moved in with Clara (Mrs. Schumann). [/b]
i heard Brahms and Clara were gettin' it on soon after Robby went to the nuthouse! :rolleyes:
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#556644 - 04/14/06 02:58 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!
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Lang Lang is pure garbage, he's just a commercial pianist, there is no soul in any of what he plays, Ive heard him play Rach 2 , Paganini Variations and Tchaikovsky. There's nothing there to enjoy, no story being told, just notes being hit at the right time.
As far as best Concerto's go, its really difficult to rank them....some nights Beethoven tears my heart, others Rach fills it..but if I had to,
Rachmaninov's are the most fun to play, and listen to as stories and tales....Like Tchaikovsky.
Beethoven and Brahms make you wanna cry, very Classical, along with Mozart.
Prokofiev is just pure nut-case, energy, fairytale, imagination at its finest....ohhh if only Stravinsky wrote a piano concerto!!!!
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#556645 - 04/14/06 07:27 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos!
mrenaud Offline
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ohhh if only Stravinsky wrote a piano concerto!!!! [/b]
He did. Two, even. One for piano and wind orchestra and another one called "Capriccio".
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#2120252 - 07/19/13 05:11 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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In no particular order.
Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 3 in D minor
Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1 in D minor
Brahms Piano Concerto No. 2 in B flat major
Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor
Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor
Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 5 in E flat major
Chopin Piano Concerto No. 1 in E minor
Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major
Chopin Piano Concerto No. 2 in F minor
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 27 in B flat major

Other great concertos worth mentioning(simply because 10 is too little)
Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 3 in C minor
Schumann Piano Concerto in A minor
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 20 in D minor
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23 in A major
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 25 in C major
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 22 in E flat major
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 in C minor
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 26 in D major
Prokofiev Piano Concerto No. 3 in C major
Bach Keyboard Concerto in A major, BWV 1055
Bach Keyboard Concerto in F minor, BWV 1056

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#2120258 - 07/19/13 05:29 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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Mozart "Jenamy" K. 271
Mozart K. 488
Beethoven 1-5
Schumann
Tchaikovsky 1
Brahms 2

Hard for me to think of anything to replace any of those with.

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#2120336 - 07/19/13 08:26 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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Oh, please. This thread is no less than seven years old.
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#2121925 - 07/23/13 01:26 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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I will list my favourites and also my favourite recordings of them

1. Schumann - Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 54 - Van Cliburn
2. Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 18 - Van Cliburn
3. Brahms - Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-flat Major, Op. 83 - Van Cliburn
4. Grieg - Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 16 - Richter
5. Prokofiev - Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Major, Op. 26 - Van Cliburn
6. Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-flat Minor, Op. 23 - Van Cliburn
7. Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K. 466 - Shelley
8. Dvorak - Piano Concerto in G Minor, Op. 33 - Richter
9. MacDowell - Piano Concerto No. 2 in D Minor, Op. 23 - Van Cliburn
10. Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 4 in G Major, Op. 58 - Van Cliburn

As you can probably see from above, I absolutely adore the American pianist Harvey van Cliburn who was hailed as "The Texan who Conquered Russia". I like his unique playing style it is very passionate and emotional. Other pianists I like include Howard Shelley who I feel is a truly underrated musician and of course there is Richter who is truly sensational.

As for my choices...

The Schumann piano concerto is my favourite piece of music. I am currently practising it and I like it for the clearness in which Schumann expresses his emotions in this piece. Van Cliburn's expressive playing style really suits this wonderful composition.

The Rachmaninoff concerto is brilliant for its' lush romantic melodies and the Brahms is just awe inspiring to listen to.

As well as the pieces listed I enjoy many more as the concerto is my favourite genre from the classical (Including baroque, romantic and 20th century) oeuvre.
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#2122421 - 07/24/13 04:30 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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hmmmmmmm

1. Beethoven's 5th Piano Concerto "Emperor"
2. Brahms 2nd Piano Concerto B flat
3. Barber's Piano Concerto
4. Tveitt's Piano Concerto No. 1
5. Mozart Concerto No. 20
6. Liebermann Piano Concerto No. 2
7. Liszt Piano Concerto No. 1
8. Micheal Daugherty Deux Ex Machina(piano concerto)
9. Stokowski Piano Concerto No. 2
10. Gerswhin/Ravel piano concerto, truly was a tie, could not pick between the two.

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#2122428 - 07/24/13 04:45 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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I'd give Ravel G an edge over Gershwin F because of the middle movement.

But I actually like the LH concerto more.

My top 10 favorite piano concertos:

1. Brahms 1
2. Brahms 2
3. Busoni Op. 39
4. Saint-Saens 4
5. Saint-Saens 5
6. Mozart 25 (K. 503)
7. Rachmaninoff Rhapsody
8. Ravel Left Hand
9. Prokofiev 2
10. Saint-Saens "Africa"

Okay, so No. 10 is no more than just a guilty pleasure, but hey, a guy's gotta have his guilty pleasures sometimes, right? laugh

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#2122468 - 07/24/13 06:32 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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There is no top 10. There are only 2 that properly understand what a concerto *for* piano is supposed to be.

Chopin 1
Chopin 2

The rest are wonderful orchestration works that include the piano. Paganini knew what a violin concerto is supposed to be just like Chopin with the piano.
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#2122473 - 07/24/13 06:54 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: StarvingLion]
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
There is no top 10. There are only 2 that properly understand what a concerto *for* piano is supposed to be.

Chopin 1
Chopin 2

The rest are wonderful orchestration works that include the piano.


As long as we're assigning sentience to compositions, I think there are some concertos by Mozart that know this too.


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#2122486 - 07/24/13 07:29 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: StarvingLion]
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
There is no top 10. There are only 2 that properly understand what a concerto *for* piano is supposed to be.

Chopin 1
Chopin 2

The rest are wonderful orchestration works that include the piano. Paganini knew what a violin concerto is supposed to be just like Chopin with the piano.


You include the Bach keyboard concertos in this sweeping dismissal? He only invented the 'keyboard concerto' after all!
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#2122495 - 07/24/13 07:49 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: StarvingLion]
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
There is no top 10. There are only 2 that properly understand what a concerto *for* piano is supposed to be.

Chopin 1
Chopin 2

The rest are wonderful orchestration works that include the piano. Paganini knew what a violin concerto is supposed to be just like Chopin with the piano.


You actually find fun in music where the orchestration is rather basic and just tags along for the ride? That's the whole REASON Brahms is my favorite!! (Well, not the whole reason, but definitely one of the reasons).

EDIT: I don't dislike the Chopin concerti, I like them a lot... Just not always the concept of orchestra primarily just accompanying the piano...


Edited by Orange Soda King (07/25/13 05:45 PM)

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#2122523 - 07/24/13 09:07 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Vid]
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Originally Posted By: Vid
Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
There is no top 10. There are only 2 that properly understand what a concerto *for* piano is supposed to be.

Chopin 1
Chopin 2

The rest are wonderful orchestration works that include the piano. Paganini knew what a violin concerto is supposed to be just like Chopin with the piano.


You include the Bach keyboard concertos in this sweeping dismissal? He only invented the 'keyboard concerto' after all!


The public likes romantic works with an orchestral background. Frankly, my intention is to be a cheap Chopin imitator and use his formula to produce 3 more Chopinistic concertos. The days of idealism are over. What have the clowns in the conservatories and university produced?
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#2122535 - 07/24/13 09:35 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: StarvingLion]
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
Frankly, my intention is to be a cheap Chopin imitator and use his formula to produce 3 more Chopinistic concertos.
Frankly, my dear, I can't think of anything worse! smile
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#2122567 - 07/24/13 10:58 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: currawong
Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
Frankly, my intention is to be a cheap Chopin imitator and use his formula to produce 3 more Chopinistic concertos.
Frankly, my dear, I can't think of anything worse! smile

You may be right, but if he even half succeeds, I'm buying the scores. grin

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#2122571 - 07/24/13 11:22 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Mark_C]
Damon Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: currawong
Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
Frankly, my intention is to be a cheap Chopin imitator and use his formula to produce 3 more Chopinistic concertos.
Frankly, my dear, I can't think of anything worse! smile

You may be right, but if he even half succeeds, I'm buying the scores. grin

Just 3 more concertos to ignore. wink
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#2122589 - 07/25/13 12:27 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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in no particular order:

1. Beethoven 4
2. Mozart 21
3. Mozart 9
4. Mozart 20
5. Beethoven 5
6. Tchaikovsky 1
7. Rach 2
8. Rach 3
9. Brahms 2
10. Prokofiev 3

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#2122729 - 07/25/13 10:27 AM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: StarvingLion]
Orange Soda King Offline
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion

The public likes romantic works with an orchestral background. Frankly, my intention is to be a cheap Chopin imitator and use his formula to produce 3 more Chopinistic concertos. The days of idealism are over. What have the clowns in the conservatories and university produced?


You're right; nobody cares about integrity in music. Let's just worry only about the public and make money. laugh

In fact, forget Chopin all together, let's do something more radical!! Like this genius:

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#2122798 - 07/25/13 01:08 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: StarvingLion

The public likes romantic works with an orchestral background. Frankly, my intention is to be a cheap Chopin imitator and use his formula to produce 3 more Chopinistic concertos. The days of idealism are over. What have the clowns in the conservatories and university produced?


You're right; nobody cares about integrity in music. Let's just worry only about the public and make money. laugh

In fact, forget Chopin all together, let's do something more radical!! Like this genius:

Yes, true genius. sick After gutting the piece of all of its technical difficulties, he seems to think his glissandi qualify him as a virtuoso and will win over the audience. Sadly, he seems to have been correct. How in the h*ll did you ever dig up this clown????


Edited by Old Man (07/25/13 01:08 PM)

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#2122810 - 07/25/13 01:35 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: StarvingLion

The public likes romantic works with an orchestral background. Frankly, my intention is to be a cheap Chopin imitator and use his formula to produce 3 more Chopinistic concertos. The days of idealism are over. What have the clowns in the conservatories and university produced?


You're right; nobody cares about integrity in music. Let's just worry only about the public and make money. laugh

In fact, forget Chopin all together, let's do something more radical!! Like this genius:


What's the name of that tune?!?! wink wow
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#2122816 - 07/25/13 01:51 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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Might as well play the concerto game while I'm here. I don't have a vast collection, and not many duplicates, so I'll mention the versions I have.

1. Brahms 2 - Serkin
2. Brahms 1 - Serkin
3. Bach 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 6, 3 - Gould (hey, whadya mean, "cheating"? grin )
4. Chopin 1 - Ax
5. Rachmaninoff 2 - Bronfman
6. Beethoven 4 - Uchida
7. Saint-Saens 4 - Entremont
8. Rachmaninoff 3 - Bronfman
9. Liszt Totentanz - Zimerman (Not my favorite version. My long gone vinyl of Brailowsky was far better.)
10. Schumann - Serkin


Edited by Old Man (07/25/13 01:58 PM)

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#2122843 - 07/25/13 02:58 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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Old Man, I have Saint-Saens 4 (along with 2) on vinyl record with Entremont playing. Absolutely stellar!! I highly recommend his Rachmaninoff Rhapsody on a Theme by Paganini, too. smile

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#2122916 - 07/25/13 05:36 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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Some concertos I'd definitely put in the top 10: Mozart 20, Beethoven 4 + 5, Brahms 1 +2 , Chopin 2, Rachmaninoff 2 + 3.


Edited by Polyphonist (07/25/13 05:36 PM)
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#2122917 - 07/25/13 05:38 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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Good call with Chopin 2! I personally do prefer it over the first, and even though I made a little slight at both concertos above, I do think they're beautiful and wonderful pieces!

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#2122919 - 07/25/13 05:39 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Old Man, I have Saint-Saens 4 (along with 2) on vinyl record with Entremont playing. Absolutely stellar!! I highly recommend his Rachmaninoff Rhapsody on a Theme by Paganini, too. smile

Yep, I know that Saint-Saens album well. My dad had that one, with P.E.'s face on the cover, back in his stud muffin days. I immediately fell in love with No.2, probably because of that dramatic piano introduction, but I pretty much ignored No. 4. But as I grew older, I started listening to 4, and realized that this was really the superior concerto (IMHO). I also became quite an Entremont fan. He always had plenty of power and played so cleanly, like Horowitz and Gutierrez. I've never read much about him on this forum, however.

I'll have to check out the Rach Rhapsody, because his Rach 2 with Bernstein (also from the 60s) is quite unique. Probably the slowest version of Rach 2 I've ever heard. You can't tell it from the opening chords, but as soon as the orchestra joins in and you hear the bass notes from the piano, you realize that Philippe and Lenny are moving at a snail's pace. But surprisingly that version grew on me too, and I would enjoy hearing it again today.

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#2122920 - 07/25/13 05:40 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Good call with Chopin 2! I personally do prefer it over the first, and even though I made a little slight at both concertos above, I do think they're beautiful and wonderful pieces!

What do you mean "both concertos above" - I listed eight, didn't I?
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#2122922 - 07/25/13 05:43 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Good call with Chopin 2! I personally do prefer it over the first, and even though I made a little slight at both concertos above, I do think they're beautiful and wonderful pieces!

What do you mean "both concertos above" - I listed eight, didn't I?


I meant in an earlier post that I made, regarding both piano concertos. I commented how I didn't always prefer the "piano being the star of the show while orchestra just tags along for the ride" aspect of some piano concertos.

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#2122945 - 07/25/13 06:36 PM Re: Top 10 Greatest Piano Concertos! [Re: Heretic]
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If your list doesn't have Saint-Saens 2, it sucks.

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