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#563452 - 03/06/06 10:53 AM
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Now you've got something to argue about; Pollini just received 55 points. 
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#563453 - 03/06/06 11:16 AM
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What about Emmanuel Ax? Does anyone like him?
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#563454 - 03/06/06 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by SteinwayModelD: Originally posted by Derulux:  It just amazes me that people say, "Nobody could play like Horowitz!" and then they bring up some recording from 1930 that is their favorite (or the '51 Reiner Rach 3 if you prefer). The quality on that recording is absolutely horrible. HORRIBLE. If one were making a comparison solely based on recordings, by far the obvious choice would be a modern pianist, whose recordings are so much better that, despite whatever quality an ancient pianist may have had, there is such poor representation of it since their deaths, and the modern pianist should be selected every time (if one were choosing musically). But I know many people just pick "names" because they are names, and this is what I wanted to get at. I've listened to many of Rachmaninoff's, Horowitz's, Rubinstein's, "blah blah blah" recordings, and have been turned away by almost 95% of those that come before 1960 (which, in the case of Rachmaninoff, is all of them). The quality is just so bad that you really can't tell what is going on. So, it surprises me when someone says they prefer those old, horrible recordings (regardless of who's playing) to modern recordings, which, by far, better preserve the music. The reason I asked your age is because you may be old enough to have been alive to hear these people in concert, in which case I'd say you'd have a very valid argument for why those pianists are better. (You can compare equal mediums...one in concert to the other in concert.) But to say those old ratty recordings are better than modern ones? I just don't get it.... [/b] You bring shame to the name and image of Horowitz, take it off your avatar, it's an insult the great artist. By the way, I pity u on another hand, seems like your ears can only 'hear' but not 'listen', let alone 'appreciate'. Sound quality has nothing to with the great artistry as long as it's recognizable, obviously your ears are not 'trained' to listen to old recordings. ANd yea, go listen to your SACD copy of Lang Lang's new album you *******. [/b] SteinwayModelD, I've reported your post to the moderators of Pianist Corner for them to edit out the profanity in your post. Please do not use profanity when posting in PW.
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#563456 - 03/06/06 02:52 PM
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I can't get any sort of order among my personal favourites, so I've ranked the ten who I think are the greatest in the sense of the influence they have had on 20th century piano playing and repertoire.
1.Horowitz 2.Schnabel 3.Rubinstein 4.Richter 5.E.Fischer 6.Gould 7.Cortot 8.Pollini 9.Gerald Moore 10.Menachem Pressler
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#563458 - 03/06/06 03:06 PM
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1.Josef Lhevinne 2.Josef Hofmann 3.Sergei Rachmaninoff 4.Abbey Simon 5.Gina Bachauer 6.Vladimir Horowitz 7.Alfred Cortot 8.Jose Iturbi 9.Cutner Solomon 10.Artur Rubinstein
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#563459 - 03/06/06 03:48 PM
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Hey where's the update? Are we losing track? At least I'm really confused but it seems like Richter has beaten Horowitz  ....
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#563460 - 03/06/06 08:40 PM
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Both of you two are right...Bassio and Mr. Hamus...concerning my "views". Bassio, you hit the surface, that people are deceiving themselves based on a "name", but Mr. Hamus goes much deeper into it to really get to some meat and potatoes. I think, after those two posts of yours, I'll say nothing else. I think we need a few more people to vote, though...Borge fell off the list...and that shouldn't be allowed. 
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#563461 - 03/06/06 10:48 PM
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Here's my starting lineup:
1. Rachmaninoff 2. Gilels 3. Richter 4. Kapell 5. Sokolov 6. Rubinstein 7. Lipati 8. Argerich 9. Zimerman 10. Volodos
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#563462 - 03/06/06 10:50 PM
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This was really hard, but here goes. There is probably some degree of arbitrariness. 1. Richter 2. Rachmaninoff 3. Horowitz 4. Prokofiev (don't have a lot to judge on for this one  , but I love his third concerto recording) 5. Kapell Other candidates: Andsnes, Brendel, Pletnev, Volodos, Zimerman
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#563464 - 03/07/06 03:45 AM
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10. Boris Berezovsky - a little below par, but his recent Rachmaninoff preludes were a full blown orgasm:
opus,
if this was the case, shouldn't it have been your number one choice? lol
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#563465 - 03/07/06 09:14 AM
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Curry, I love Abbey Simon's playing as well. His Rachmaninoff is superb!!!!
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#563467 - 03/07/06 08:02 PM
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Liberace  Seriously, one more vote for Lipatti
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#563468 - 03/08/06 04:11 PM
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1. Martha Argerich 2. Sviatoslav Richter 3. Emil Gilels 4. Leif Ove Andsnes 5. Evgeny Kissin 6. Cyprian Katsairs 7. Georges Cziffra 8. Glenn Gould 9. Maurizio Pollini 10. Myra Hess
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#563469 - 03/08/06 05:53 PM
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Such a difficult question. While I readily acknowledge the greatness of folks like Richter, Pollini, and Pletniev, among so many other steely-fingered types, I find that I love what they do less often than others who are less perfect technicians. Respect and love are not the same. If the point of the question is to list the ones who can play louder and faster than anyone with the fewest mistakes (not meaning that they always do play louder and faster), then put me down for the guys above plus Michaelangeli, Horowitz, Sokolov, Rachmaninoff, Lhevinne, Rubinstein (for the sheer force of his musicality) et al. But if you're asking who I'm on most intimate terms with, who I love and hate as though they were family members, then it's Cortot and Gieseking. I feel that I'm an active participant in their music making. They never cease to amaze and awe and infuriate me, sometimes in the same phrase.
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#563472 - 03/10/06 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Baldwinfan.718:  1. Sergei Rachmoninoff 2. Vladimir Horowitz 3. Victor Borge 4. Martha Argerich 5. Evgeny Kissin [/b] Rock! Another vote for Borge! 
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#563473 - 03/11/06 12:44 PM
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Sorry guys been away for past few days but finally.... THE BIG UPDATE! DRUM ROLL PLEASE............  1. Sviatoslav Richter - 201[/b]  2. Vladimir Horowitz - 194[/b]  3. Sergei Rachmaninoff - 126[/b]  4. Emil Gilels - 113[/b]  5. Glenn Gould - 97[/b]  6. Martha Argerich - 79[/b]  7. Arthur Rubinstein - 68[/b]  8. Claudio Arrau - 62[/b]  9. Grigory Sokolov - 58[/b]  10. Arturo Benedetti Michelangelli - 54[/b] I'll make a list of top runners up as well that are close to edging the list if they have some more votes:  Kristian Zimmerman - 38[/b]  Georgy Cziffra - 38[/b]  Evgeny Kissin - 37[/b]  Alfred Brendel - 32[/b]  Maurizio Pollini - 30[/b]  Alfred Cortot, William Kapell - 28[/b]  Cyprian Katsaris - 26[/b]  Artur Schnabel, Josef Hoffmann - 22[/b]  Victor Borge - 20 (for derlux)[/b] Anyhow, top 10 seems like a good and accurate list to me, in fact the top 4 or 5 are identical to how I had my top!
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#563474 - 03/11/06 03:33 PM
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I Got 6/10 in top ten (Richter and Horowitz in top 2 as well) and 2 in the close edging list. Very happy with the list, wouldn't be able to create such a great list myself (I couldn't think of any more people who were good as well, but I see you could!). Richter congratulations! Did he die in 1997? One of my CD's says he died in 1982 in Munich, the other says he is alive, but Decca says he died in 1997  .
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#563475 - 03/11/06 03:53 PM
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He's still alive.
(deluded Richter fan) I can dream can't I? :rolleyes:
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#563476 - 03/11/06 04:01 PM
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Haha, you are not alone.
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#563477 - 03/11/06 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by lol_nl:  Did he die in 1997? One of my CD's says he died in 1982 in Munich, the other says he is alive, but Decca says he died in 1997  . [/b] He died in August 1997.
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#563478 - 03/11/06 09:39 PM
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This is really hard. There's just so many different things to like in different pianists that its really quite impossible to give a hard ranking. But here's a try anyway.
1. Horowitz 2. Richter 3. Sofronitzky 4. Pletnev 5. Sokolov 6. Ivan Moravec 7. Michelangeli 8. Esteban Sanchez 9. Argerich 10.Gilels
And there're so many others I love and respect: Feinberg, Rachmaninoff, Nelson Friere, Zimmerman, Cortot, Cziffra, Arrau, Cherkassky, Nikolayeva...the list is endless!
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#563479 - 03/12/06 12:30 AM
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 Victor Borge - 20 (for derlux) [/b] *laughs* Thank you. 
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#563480 - 03/12/06 10:14 PM
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1. Tea Kalandadze 2. Dubravka Tomsic I'm suprised that no one heard of these two great pianists. 3.Cyprien Katsaris 4. Martha Argerich 5.Krystian Zimerman 6.Evgeny Kissin 7.Alexis Weissenberg 8.Glenn Gould 9.Alfred Brendel 10. LangLang? To Derulux: You are a real man! I don't care what you said right or wrong, but whatever who attacks you, you are always smile and respond with humour. That's really good. We don't like some messages contain irrational arguements or to blame others, do we?
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#563481 - 03/13/06 01:20 AM
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 To Derulux: You are a real man! I don't care what you said right or wrong, but whatever who attacks you, you are always smile and respond with humour. That's really good. We don't like some messages contain irrational arguements or to blame others, do we?[/b] Thank you for the kind words.  I do try to maintain my sense of humor at all times. It is the only thing that keeps me sane. And I always try to maintain my perspective on life: my time here is severely limited, so why not use it for the benefit of others, instead of demoralizing everyone I come across? And if I can make people smile or laugh in the process, then, as Victor Borge would say, "That is my only reward. The rest goes to the government." Now, do me a favor and vote for Victor! "V for Victor!" :p 
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