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#563708 08/13/04 05:42 PM
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Hi everyone,

I had my lesson yesterday and I'm trying my first pop piece. I've only played classical to this point.

I'm playing Billy Joel's "Piano Man" and in it is a chord symbol of "G11". Now, I've had music theory and I understand basics. A G11 chord is a G-B-D-F-A-C? But, I can't possibly play that many notes. So, I've been playing F-G-A-C. Is this correct?

Also, I have a "G/Fbass" symbol. So, I assume I would add a F below the G? Like this: F-G-B-D. I'm used to seeing the notes after the slash to be one of notes in the chord.

Thanks.


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Originally posted by devils4ever:
Hi everyone,

I had my lesson yesterday and I'm trying my first pop piece. I've only played classical to this point.

I'm playing Billy Joel's "Piano Man" and in it is a chord symbol of "G11". Now, I've had music theory and I understand basics. A G11 chord is a G-B-D-F-A-C? But, I can't possibly play that many notes. So, I've been playing F-G-A-C. Is this correct?

Also, I have a "G/Fbass" symbol. So, I assume I would add a F below the G? Like this: F-G-B-D. I'm used to seeing the notes after the slash to be one of notes in the chord.

Thanks.
I have had some popular music training so I will have at your questions. Others can feel free to lambast me if I am incorrect.

Yes, a G11 would be GBDFAC. I would normally voice it with the bass and 7th in the left hand and then the other voices in the right. Often in commercial/pop/jazz there are chords with many notes. When there are too many to play, certain tones can be omitted. You can leave out the 5th of a chord and it will still retain its character and if playing in a rhythm section situation, you can even omit the bass if need me. The 3rd and 7th are what really give a chord its character.

Whenever you have the chord with a slash and another note, that is specifying a different bass than the tonic. And yes, in the case of G/F bass you would play a G maj. with an F in the bass. Many times you will see it without even saying its supposed to be a bass note and will look like this G/F or A/G. They are very common in Billy Joel.

Are you playing to accompany a vocalist or to just play on your own? That makes a difference as to how you voice the chord across the piano and what you emphasize.

Good luck with it, its quite different than classical! laugh

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lisamarie113,

Thanks for your input.

Right now my teacher is having me play the chord in the left hand and the single melody in the right hand. Next step will be to put the chord in the right hand.

I guessed correctly on the slash notes.

I'm playing on my own. I'm trying to get used to those chord symbols. I'm used to seeing all the notes printed for me.


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I'm used to playing all the notes that are written and nothing else. I wish my teacher could teach me how to read chords and chord changes, it would really help with Jazz band at school, where I have no idea what I'm playing most of the time, lol!

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