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#571698 - 10/11/01 06:23 AM
Re: Liszt Etudes
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I hope I understood the 2nd part correctly... If you drop a perpendicular line from the note in the right hand and the line cuts through the note in the left hand, then it probably should be played together... I guess this is what you are already doing with the paper, but if editions differ... I don't know... someone else will have an answer...  [ October 11, 2001: Message edited by: magnezium ]
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#571699 - 10/11/01 03:11 PM
Re: Liszt Etudes
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#10 has two against three rhythms, which are played as such no matter how the notes line up.
I've got the Peters edition done by Emil von Sauer (a Liszt student) upon the recommendation of one of my teachers (who had studied from Angelica Morales von Sauer, Emil von Sauer's pupil and second wife). I'm not sure that this edition is any hotline straight to the heart and mind of Liszt, as Emil von Sauer claimed to have not learned much from Liszt's master classes!
What about the Editio Musica Budapest edition?
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#571700 - 10/11/01 07:49 PM
Re: Liszt Etudes
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See, I think the inherent problem with editions coming from pupils of the composers is that they tend to taint it with their own musical tastes and pianistic shortcomings. Take, for example, Clara Schumann's editing of her husband's works. In the Fantasy op. 17, she strikes off the dedication to Liszt, not to mention the numerous textural and artiulcation changes that she makes, which are then later "improved" upon by Brahms in his edition of the complete works of Robert.
Another interesting example are the innumerable versions of Liszt's Saint Francis Walking on the Waves (Second Legend). Almost every major Liszt pupil had an edition of this piece greatly diferring from the original (listen to Friedheim's recording, for example).
I feel that Busoni's is more reliable because he took a more musicological route to his edition, comparing manuscripts with first editions, looking at editions presented by Liszt pupils, and finally arriving on the closest thing to an Urtext at his time. Rarely do we see him adding anything to the text, and even then it is point out something already present in the music (a melodic idea clouded by figurations) or suggestions for execution.
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#571701 - 10/12/01 05:38 PM
Re: Liszt Etudes
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CrasshTest:
Where the notes line up (or don't line up) between those on the right hand staff and those on the left hand staff is really not the question. That may simply be a case of careless printing. What is essential however, are the note values. You have to observe the note values (length of the note according to the type of note it is (half, quarter, eighth, etc., or group of notes to a beat)); that will tell you where (and when) the notes sound in each hand.
One cannot overestimate the importance of counting!
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