Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#573238 - 12/01/07 10:41 AM Fredrick Rzewski.....
Mike090280 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 159
Loc: Texas
I just got Marc-Andre Hamelins cd of The People United Will Never Be Defeated, I was wondering what everyone thought of this piece, and the performance? And is anyone working on this piece?

Mike

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#573239 - 12/01/07 11:54 AM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
AndrewG Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 2506
Loc: Denver, Colorado
This is the modern day Goldberg Variations, if you will.

Top
#573240 - 12/01/07 12:18 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
argerichfan Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/15/06
Posts: 8886
Loc: Pacific Northwest, US.
 Quote:
Originally posted by Mike090280:
I just got Marc-Andre Hamelins cd of The People United Will Never Be Defeated...
That's an outstanding recording!

I think the music is terrific (as is Winnsboro Cotton Mill Blues), I have no problem with the politics, and someday I'd like to pick up a score.
_________________________
Jason

Top
#573241 - 12/01/07 01:13 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
Mike090280 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 159
Loc: Texas
Yeah, I have listened to about half now and loving it. It sounds extremly hard though. I am waiting for Hamelin's new dvd to come in, that looks to be pretty good.

Mike

Top
#573242 - 12/01/07 07:04 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
Kreisler Offline



Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13789
Loc: Iowa City, IA
I love it and practice it from time to time. The difficulty seems largely in surviving the length.

It's a bit like the Hammerklavier. No single measure is all that difficult. But try playing them all in a row...
_________________________
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed

Top
#573243 - 12/01/07 07:23 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
PoStTeNeBrAsLuX Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/31/05
Posts: 2618
Loc: Geneva, Switzerland
Kreisler:
I love it and practice it from time to time. The difficulty seems largely in surviving the length.

I have listened to it a few times (MAH[1] recording), following the score, and it does indeed have some really marvellous moments. And nothing that some judicious editing on the part of the composer could not have made a truly great work of, say, about half the length ;\) .

-Michael B.
[1] And doesn't he whistle well? \:\)
_________________________
There are two rules to success in life: Rule #1. Don't tell people everything you know.

Top
#573244 - 12/01/07 07:39 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
Loki Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/09/05
Posts: 1035
Loc: Texas
This is such a great piece.
_________________________
Houston, Texas

Top
#573245 - 12/01/07 08:16 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
LiszThalberg Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 3288

Top
#573246 - 12/02/07 10:16 AM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
playadom Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/21/06
Posts: 1366
Loc: New Jersey
I was looking at the sheets.

Lots of interesting notes such as (short cry, optional) and (like plucking some berries, you don't have to hit all the notes, and are allowed to hit some wrong notes).
_________________________
Practice makes permanent - Perfect practice makes perfect.

Top
#573247 - 12/02/07 10:31 AM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
dannylux Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/15/06
Posts: 1819
Loc: Connecticut
Of the four pianists I've heard play this, Hamelin is by far the best whistler.

Strange that none of them plays the last measure fff, as indicated.

Even Rzewski doesn't.

I also like that Hamelin doesn't slam the fall-board down.

Hamelin's is my favorite, but I listen to Rzewski's at least as often.


Mel
_________________________
My Recordings

"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get — only what you are expecting to give — which is everything. What you will receive in return varies. But it really has no connection with what you give. You give because you love and cannot help giving." Katharine Hepburn

Top
#573248 - 12/02/07 10:39 AM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
LiszThalberg Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 3288
I think I want to learn a few of these variations but I don't really want to learn 70 minutes worth of music!

Top
#573249 - 12/02/07 11:45 AM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
lilylady Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 4977
Loc: boston north
Axtremus performs some wonderful excerpts from this at our piano get togethers. I can't get enough of him playing them! We heard them again just yesterday at the PWF get together in Lowell (see above right box for info and pics)

I have been learning and enjoying some variations as well. Doubt if I will ever have the ambition to learn the whole thing...there are too many 'other' things that distract me!
_________________________
"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and life to everything."

Top
#573250 - 12/02/07 05:40 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
wr Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 7840
It amazes me that there are two impressive complete performances, by pianists I don't know, available at http://www.stage6.com/ or YouTube. I like the one from Bobby Mitchell the best, mostly because the sound quality is so much better than the one from Toros Can; both seem to be really good performances. Can's performance at Stage6 includes some preliminary comments (in Turkish, I believe).

Can

Stage6 - http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ywd32
YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfMK-SkWYiY

Mitchell

Stage6 - http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ce23k
YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s0H38-NJe8

Top
#573251 - 12/02/07 09:49 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
xtraheat Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/20/07
Posts: 625
Loc: WV
is this really difficult? I'd love to learn it

Edit: I meant difficult up until the point where the women starts talking... so basically the main theme....Is it still really difficult?
_________________________
Currently working on
Prokofiev Piano Concerto 3
Beethoven Sonata Op.109
Chopin Op.10 No.1
Bach WTC II no. 15

--Sam--

Top
#573252 - 12/02/07 09:57 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
AndrewG Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 2506
Loc: Denver, Colorado
Yes, this is really difficult from all aspects.

Top
#573253 - 12/03/07 06:39 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
xtraheat Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/20/07
Posts: 625
Loc: WV
Oh \:\/ I would still love to see the sheets...Is there anywhere where I can get the sheets that doesn't cost like 100 dollars?
_________________________
Currently working on
Prokofiev Piano Concerto 3
Beethoven Sonata Op.109
Chopin Op.10 No.1
Bach WTC II no. 15

--Sam--

Top
#573254 - 12/03/07 09:00 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
xtraheat Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/20/07
Posts: 625
Loc: WV
Oh \:\/ I would still love to see the sheet music...Is there anywhere where I can get the sheets that doesn't cost like 100 dollars?
_________________________
Currently working on
Prokofiev Piano Concerto 3
Beethoven Sonata Op.109
Chopin Op.10 No.1
Bach WTC II no. 15

--Sam--

Top
#573255 - 12/03/07 09:05 PM Re: Fredrick Rzewski.....
Palindrome Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/22/01
Posts: 3914
Loc: Chicago, IL USA
 Quote:
Originally posted by xtraheat:
Oh \:\/ I would still love to see the sheets...Is there anywhere where I can get the sheets that doesn't cost like 100 dollars? [/b]
Well, click on the sheetmusicplus link to the right, and it's listed there for $50.
_________________________
There is no end of learning. -Robert Schumann Rules for Young Musicians

Top

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
ad (Casio)
Celviano by Casio Rebate
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
New Topics - Multiple Forums
A REALLY Indirect Blow Action
by Steve Cohen
Today at 09:01 AM
Bone chilling ending to pieces
by lacrymosa85
Today at 08:44 AM
help with finger numbers in this piece...
by PianoKimmy
Today at 05:35 AM
Most Difficult?
by SiFi
Today at 01:21 AM
What is most common size wire to break?
by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Today at 12:19 AM
Who's Online
118 registered (3mb3r4, accordeur, ajames, Al LaPorte, 38 invisible), 1313 Guests and 16 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
76237 Members
42 Forums
157600 Topics
2314942 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission