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#575631 - 02/09/06 10:34 PM Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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For some strange reason, I find Rach 2's last movement (Allegro Scherzando?) to be better than Rach 3's last movement (Finale alla breve). Rach 2 is more concrete and focused, with the theme repeated several times. I also found the last few measures in Rach 2 to be more awe-inspiring. Maybe it's because there's so much hype around Rach 3, and I'm being nonconformist.

In the other movements, Rach 3 dominates its older sibling.
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#575632 - 02/09/06 11:07 PM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I like the third concerto better. First, the third movement is way more exciting. Overall, the structure is so incredibly amazing. The first and third movements are inseparable. The third movement, especially, never ceases to amaze me.
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#575633 - 02/09/06 11:48 PM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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3rd hands down imo! The 2nd concerto has its "moments" but the 3rd really makes the hairs on my arm stand if you know what I mean, especially if played well.


btw-There has to be like a million bazillion threads about Rachmaninoff's 3rd concerto-try searching next time.
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#575634 - 02/10/06 12:04 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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vs.

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#575635 - 02/10/06 12:08 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Originally posted by prokofiev:
The first and third movements are inseparable. [/b]
... and yet Rachmaninov separated them with the second movement. What did that dude know, huh?

Cheers!
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#575636 - 02/10/06 12:17 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Second of course. I even think that some bars in Rach3 could be removed and it would still being the same music basically
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#575637 - 02/10/06 12:23 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Second.
The 3rd rambles too much.

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#575638 - 02/10/06 12:25 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I could live without the 3rd concerto, honestly. The second concerto is just so much more emotionally fulfilling for me and has more interesting melodies than the third. And the second movement of the 2nd concerto kills the 3rd's 2nd movement anyday.

that is just my opinion anyhow.
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#575639 - 02/10/06 12:27 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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#575640 - 02/10/06 02:51 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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 Quote:
Originally posted by BruceD:
 Quote:
Originally posted by prokofiev:
The first and third movements are inseparable. [/b]
... and yet Rachmaninov separated them with the second movement. What did that dude know, huh?

Cheers! [/b]
So to speak... as in it wouldn't be complete without either movement.

Interestingly, I much prefer the themes in the third concerto than those in the second, which is one reason I like the third much better.
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#575641 - 02/10/06 07:03 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I much prefer the second, the third has too many notes and too little music.

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#575642 - 02/10/06 10:09 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Both. \:\)
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#575643 - 02/10/06 10:18 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Second, it's more fun and less overwraught IMO.
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#575644 - 02/10/06 10:24 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I have always prefered 2nd over 3rd. Have not changed my feelings, YET.

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#575645 - 02/10/06 10:42 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Second, for the reasons already mentioned.
BTW, I don't even think the 3rd is more popular- it just has a lot of mystique surrounding it for pianists, because it's so difficult.

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#575646 - 02/10/06 10:46 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I also much prefer the 2nd.

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#575647 - 02/10/06 11:02 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I like the 2nd more. BUT the 2nd movement of the 3rd concerto is one of my favourite movements of anything, ever.

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#575648 - 02/10/06 11:14 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I prefer the 2nd

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#575649 - 02/10/06 11:23 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Yes.. I prefer the No.2 as well.. I've read a description of No.2 as the "most erotic piano concerto ever" \:\)
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#575650 - 02/10/06 12:43 PM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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#575651 - 02/10/06 03:19 PM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Hmm, seems like the second is way more popular...

Right from the beginning, Rach 3 has always been much more deeply emotional, probably because of the nostalgia. I've frequently felt intense feelings of nostalgia myself (I moved countries), and the third concerto has really helped me manage. The second concerto, despite the enormously popular themes, gives me no such feeling, except maybe like one spot in the first movement (I like this concerto too, but I don't feel as emotionally connected).
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#575652 - 02/11/06 01:59 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Numbers 1 and 4 are not too shabby either. ;-)

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#575653 - 02/11/06 02:23 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I much prefer the majestic ending to the 3rd concerto over the 2nd, and while the 3rd has always been my goal, I do rather enjoy the first movement of the 2nd. It's too close to call for me...they're two of my favorite pieces in all of the piano repertoire. \:\)
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#575654 - 02/12/06 04:33 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I will say one thing:

Rach 2 the second mvt. is 1,000,000 times better than any other Rach second mvt. (Rach 3 included!)

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#575655 - 02/12/06 04:58 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I actually prefer the 3rd. It seems more complex less generic than the 2nd to me.

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#575656 - 02/12/06 06:53 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Finally! Another Rach 3 supporter!

I prefer the whole of Rach 3 to Rach 2, including the second movement. In my opinion the maestoso section (D flat major section in the middle) is one of the greatest moments of all music.
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#575657 - 02/12/06 10:45 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I'm still evaluating them.

I am relatively new to these pieces so I have to give them some time and many many listening sessions.

I love the 3rd but I have listened to it more times than the 2nd just because of all of the posts related to it here.

Listening to the 2nd as I type...
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#575658 - 02/12/06 11:57 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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I will say one thing:

Rach 2 the second mvt. is 1,000,000 times better than any other Rach second mvt. (Rach 3 included!)
That's because he wrote it first. (The first movement wasn't added until after the debut of the concerto.) ;\)
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#575659 - 02/14/06 02:49 AM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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The Rachmaninoff 2nd is better in my opinion because the melodies and musical depth is absolutely incredible. I can remember the first time I heard this concerto and when listening to this concerto with fresh ears how absolutely beautiful it was. Now after I have heard it too many times to count (and having also learned it) the impact it has on me has lessened. But when I go back to the first time I heard this concerto I truly realize why the concerto is so well known.

The third concerto is really a wonderful concerto as well. In my opnion the third concerto's melodies aren't quite on par with the second's (alhtough they are still quite good).

The second concerto is almost perfect in the sense that it has almsot everything one could want from a piece; beautiful melodies, places of flashy fingerwork, musical depth, sensitivity and great power.

But this is just one opnion \:D
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#575660 - 02/14/06 12:57 PM Re: Rach 2 vs Rach 3
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Well I enjoy the third much more. Rachmaninoff himself also felt that way he said " Even with my own concertos I much prefer the third because my second is uncomfortable to play."
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