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#586597 - 02/01/05 06:22 PM
X Etude - X Technique
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Guy D' requested a thread discussing which particular etudes are good for which particular techniques. I'm glad he asked, because I for one am also interested.
(Could anybody possibly post the techniques associated with the Chopin Etudes, for example? Liszt? Rachmaninov? Brahms? ... )
I haven't played many etudes, but here goes (please copy the lists and add what you know and would recommend)
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Arpeggios: • Czerny Op. 740 No. 2 in G Major • Chopin Op. 10 No. 12 in C Minor
5-Finger Scales • Czerny Op. 740 No. 1 in C Major • Schmidt Preperatory Exercises
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#586598 - 02/01/05 06:30 PM
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Hmmm... I'd give it a very, very rough breakdown:
Chopin:
10/1 - RH wrist and arm motion 10/2 - RH 345 chromatic 10/3 - phrasing and balance 10/4 - fingerwork and articulation 10/5 - black key playing 10/6 - LH inner voicing 10/7 - finger switching 10/8 - RH runs 10/9 - LH stretches 10/10 - RH tremolo 10/11 - beastly chords 10/12 - LH runs
25/1 - balance 25/2 - light evanescent RH fingerwork 25/3 - ornamentation 25/4 - LH jumps 25/5 - RH wrist flicking, hand positioning 25/6 - RH thirds 25/7 - LH tone 25/8 - RH sixths 25/9 - RH technique switching 25/10 - octaves 25/11 - tremolo/line leading 25/12 - arm motion
These are all in my very humble opinion - and feel free to disagree!
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#586599 - 02/01/05 06:45 PM
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Thanks, Paul. I just glanced over an article at PianoSociety.com, and here's what they suggest for Chopin Op. 10: (very specific! - elaboration on your list  ) 10/1 - Arpeggio 10/2 - Chromatics 10/3 - Legato Playing/Syncopation 10/4 - Chromatics and Arpeggios with Syncopation and Voice-Leading 10/5 - Arpeggios on the Black Keys 10/6 - Legato Playing and Counterpoint 10/7 - Legato Playing With Arpeggios/Chromatics and Counterpoint and Syncopation 10/8 - Counterpoint and Legato Playing 10/9 - Arpeggios (LH), Legato Playing, and Counterpoint 10/10 - Legato and Stacatto Playing With Syncopation 10/11 - Arpeggiated Chords and Legato Playing 10/12 - Scales/Arpeggios with Syncopation Study Guide for Op. 10Study Guide for Op. 25
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#586601 - 02/01/05 06:55 PM
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Thanks again!  I love disagreement. Without disagreement, we never learn. Not having played most of the Chopin Etudes (I've only played 1!) it seems to me that they are, as you commented, more than just basic etudes - more than just arpeggios, more than just scales, more than just chromatics... (unlike Czerny, for example). I've been studying Op. 10 No. 12 for a little over a year - It's not just the left hand runs, and not just arpeggios and syncopation - there are so many different arpeggios, and so many different stretches... plus it's an etude of dynamics, and also octaves (RH), and parallel passages (first 8 or so measures, middle, and end)... It trains so many different techniques! It's like 10 Czerny etudes in 1 Chopin etude. I'd say just learn all of the Chopin Etudes, and not to pick and choose from them. But it's good to know what you're working on, anyways.
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