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#591605 - 02/21/02 09:07 PM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
jodi Offline
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Gorgeous in your eyes. At this point in time. You take a time machine back and show your favorite photos to a young male, and he would probably think ugly. In fact, definitions of "beauty" are not even the same from culture to culture today. Tone down the testosterone, and lets talk music. ;\) Jodi

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#591606 - 02/21/02 09:30 PM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
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Originally posted by Rodion:
but if it's gonna make more people buy a cd because a babe is on the cover then by god let them hear some piano music![/b]


Sure, whatever sells. More power to 'em. Actually, I would rather like the idea of a classical musician selling a platinum record.

I could just see the scene: thousands of screaming teenyboppers mobbing, well, Seiji Ozawa. Only now he is sporting a new hair cut, a tatoo and an earring. (Plus he's had liposuction.) The throngs crowd around him to touch him or to tear a piece of his clothing. Or faint at the sight of him. Then he could come out with a new video that would be shown on MTV of Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" showing a close-up of him looking savage, primal and seductive. Classical stations would play this recording every hour for months while MTV conducts interviews with star-struck teenagers saying: "Ooohh, I just love Seji. He's like, wow, like he's the best." Meanwhile, young kids could collect trading cards of Ozawa for Yo-Yo Ma, Emanuel Ax and Leonard Slatkin.

Pretty silly, eh? Tough to immagine? But just think, for a person living in the 14th century it would have been unthinkable that musicians, lowly musicians--somewhere between a brigand and a cook in the medieval social heirarchy--would be considered idols and heroes 600 years hence. So, maybe the idea of a classical superstar isn't beyond the realm of immagination.

T2

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#591607 - 02/22/02 01:22 AM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
Rodion Offline
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t2,

actually the equivilant of all that for the 1800's is what happened to liszt and other famous performers of the day, like thalberg. women supposedly fought over liszt's cigar butts...
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#591608 - 02/22/02 01:26 AM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
Rodion Offline
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Originally posted by Rodion:

if it's gonna make more people buy a cd because a babe is on the cover then by god let them hear some piano music![/b]


i meant this as a way to expose more people to classical music, not so much as a way to make more money (which isn't a bad thing).
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#591609 - 02/22/02 03:09 AM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
yok Offline
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I think you have to have some sympathy for these talented young musicians who happen to be not only female but also attractive.


Actually, the ones I feel sorry for are the equally talented musicians who because they are less marketable do not get those opportunities at all. If you widen the view (so to speak) to violinists and singers as well as pianists, there is no mistaking the phenomenon Joe describes. I think it reflects cultural rather than biological evolution, however. There has probably never been a larger pool of highly talented, classically trained musicians at any time, yet at the same time the market for their talents, particularly in the recording industry, is shrinking or static at best. When there is so much competition for so few opportunities, it's inevitable that those with more than only musical gifts are advantaged.

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#591610 - 02/22/02 08:13 AM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
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I do go to concerts when I can but since the vast majority of my listening to most of classical music is via CDs rather than via live concerts - isn't that true of most of us - it doesn't matter to me what s/he looks like if s/he makes beautiful music.

For female performers, isn't it also a question of cultural change, call it cultural evolution, if you will? One hundred years ago - or more - how many young women even considered embarking on a concert career compared to those who are having successful concert careers now? Yes, there were a few who did and were relatively successful at it, but surely they were considered exceptions to the "norm." As in so many professions, the role of women has changed considerably over the last century. The concept of what it is "acceptable" for women to do has vastly evolved. I think this is one of those areas.

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[ February 22, 2002: Message edited by: BruceD ]
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#591611 - 02/22/02 08:23 AM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
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BruceD,

More and more DVDs of classical concerts or recitals are emerging, particularly in other parts of the world. I find it exceptionally rewarding and gratifying watching these DVDs and enjoying CD quality sound in your living room. To be able to watch the pianistic greats playing is really something. I just wish US market will catch on with this new trend. I like this new development...

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#591612 - 02/22/02 08:31 AM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
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Eldon,

I also prefer Gina's "Emperor" Concerto over many others. Hers is very high on my 'must have' list of recordings. Maybe it's due to the fact that she was a big lady her Brahms 2nd is another great recording. It may not be in the league of Richter's 1960 performance with Chicago Symphony under Leinsdorf. It is, nevertheless an outstanding and mercurial reading. I always think the lofty Brahms 2nd is a men's concerto. Hope I'm not opening a can of worms by saying this.

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#591613 - 02/22/02 08:47 AM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
Diarmuid Offline
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Registered: 05/27/01
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I suppose it depends what type of "evolution" you value the most. I'm really not of the opinion that society’s obsession with youth and physical beauty is a great sign of intellectual or cultural evolution. In fact it's an absolutely retrograde trend. I despair when beauty wins over talent.

Hey, I'm not usually this serious

[ February 22, 2002: Message edited by: Diarmuid ]

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#591614 - 02/22/02 11:12 AM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
BruceD Offline
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Jodi:

1)I am not a colorfully-feathered male bird;
2)I don't do even "nice" or "normal" dances, let alone ridiculous ones;
3)while I may act, at times, like a baboon, I do not have a pink (what you said);
4)I see no general (i.e. evolutionary) trend to larger breasts in the modern women.

Perhaps I have not yet evolved!

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#591615 - 02/22/02 01:31 PM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
wghornsby Offline
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me play piano,
drag wife by hair

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#591616 - 02/22/02 02:26 PM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
jodi Offline
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Loc: The Evergreen State (WA)
Ok, Bruce, wg - now I'm laughing! Jodi \:D

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#591617 - 02/22/02 10:19 PM Re: Is Evolution dead?? Not if you've checked out the beauties playing pro piano today!
Eldon Offline
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Andrew,
I'll have to find Gina's Brahms #2! You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about the Richter/Chicago recording. It's phenomonal. \:\) I wish I could have heard Richter in recital. Have you? I think Argerich would do something amazing with the Brahms.
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