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#597670 - 10/26/04 01:28 AM
Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by paulie567:  Check out this recording of Rachmaninoff playing Liszt's HR2 -- if you can mentally tune out all the hiss and scratching it quickly becomes clear what an amazing pianist Rachmaninoff was. http://classic.manual.ru/Rachmaninov-performer/Liszt_VengRhap_2.html I've never heard such an incredible performance, in Bugs Bunny cartoons or anywhere else... :-) [/b] Really? I found that recording fairly dull and uninteresting...especially his cadenza. But that's just me. Have you heard Horowitz playing his transcription of the piece? It's pretty amazing in my opinion.
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#597671 - 10/26/04 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ðanor: hm... Alkan.... I can't find the "music" in his scores... just a personal opinion... [/b] I'm with Danor all the way. I'm teaching my daughter Alkan's Barcarolle. This little piece is beautiful and technically easy. His music to me is some sort of side dish. Not a main course thing. I don't get much out of it besides the pyrotechnics.
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#597672 - 10/26/04 09:10 AM
Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by NAK: Welcome to the forums, Vladtepes!  paulie567, I'm listening to the rhapsody right now. So far, I think it's okay, but it's a bit too -- how do you say -- empty. He could use the damper pedal a bit more. :p [/b] Perhaps it's a Russian thing. 
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#597673 - 10/27/04 08:59 AM
Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by paulie567: Check out this recording of Rachmaninoff playing Liszt's HR2 -- if you can mentally tune out all the hiss and scratching it quickly becomes clear what an amazing pianist Rachmaninoff was. http://classic.manual.ru/Rachmaninov-performer/Liszt_VengRhap_2.html I've never heard such an incredible performance, in Bugs Bunny cartoons or anywhere else... :-) [/b] I quite like this piece, was the part from 8:30 onwards in Liszt's original score or did Rachmaninoff add that bit himself? The only disappointment to the piece was probably the beginning, which didn't seem to be played with enough emotion (perhaps too 'staccato' for my liking)
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#597675 - 10/27/04 09:20 AM
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I'm not about to get into a "whose piece is more difficult" thing, but don't forget La Campanella. I just can't imagine taking so many risky jumps in the middle of a recital or competition. I'm already nervous enough playing pieces that don't require much leaping around.
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#597678 - 10/27/04 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Vladtepes: But you should try to play Un Sospiro it's much nicer than the HR2 [/b] i completely agree.
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#597679 - 10/27/04 10:20 AM
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... if "nice" is what you want, yes.
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#597682 - 10/27/04 11:15 AM
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Have you ever heard Cziffra's recording? It's ... orgasmic.
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#597683 - 10/27/04 12:28 PM
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Yup. I've heard 2, the studio and a live one, couldnt tell you where the live one was from.
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#597685 - 10/29/04 07:57 AM
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#597686 - 10/30/04 03:29 PM
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I'm 14 - I was just recently learning HR2, I got through the lassan, but then I had to put it on hold to learn Chopin's 1st Concerto in E minor for a music festival. My favorite piece (although I can't play it yet) is Chopin's 2nd Scherzo in Bb minor - it is definately much harder than HR2. However above all, one of the most chalenging pieces of all time is also by Liszt - it's La Campanella (which I can most certainly not play). It is definatelly one of the hardest pieces not only from the romantic era, but in all of piano music. If you have any doubts, just get a recording of it and the music and watch the notes go by on the page. In one measure it even has 64th notes!
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#597687 - 10/30/04 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Bando Commando: However above all, one of the most chalenging pieces of all time is also by Liszt - it's La Campanella (which I can most certainly not play). It is definatelly one of the hardest pieces not only from the romantic era, but in all of piano music.[/b] Hahahaha... haha.. ha... hahaha... If I set to it, I could do La Campanella right now. However, just about everything else I want to play is way out of my reach. Therefor, Everything-else-thats-good > La Campanella
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#597689 - 10/31/04 05:43 PM
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#597690 - 10/31/04 06:45 PM
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And you could manage La Campanella!?  I really need to practice more!  Not that I care, really. NAK
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#597691 - 10/31/04 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by NAK: And you could manage La Campanella!? I really need to practice more! Not that I care, really. NAK [/b] I think that I could learn it, just like I could probably learn Alkan's Comme la Vent, except to a lesser degree  . I would have to go over it measure by measure, taking months, and finally I would have a performance that I wouldn't really have control over. No, I think I will put that one along with Ravel's Gaspard (which I couldn't do right now ) in my "to do one of these days" pile. Right now I'm pursuing pieces that I actually can control and learn relatively quickly.
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#597692 - 10/31/04 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by valarking: Almost 3 years now NAK. [/b] 3 years wont be enough. I mean, you could still learn la campanella if you nit-pick every single measure and have an overwhelming desire to learn it but you'll probably end up with months(maybe more) sticking to it if you try. Good laugh though.
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#597693 - 10/31/04 08:14 PM
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#597695 - 11/01/04 08:23 AM
Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by Bando Commando: I'm 14 - I was just recently learning HR2, I got through the lassan, but then I had to put it on hold to learn Chopin's 1st Concerto in E minor for a music festival. My favorite piece (although I can't play it yet) is Chopin's 2nd Scherzo in Bb minor - it is definately much harder than HR2. However above all, one of the most chalenging pieces of all time is also by Liszt - it's La Campanella (which I can most certainly not play). It is definatelly one of the hardest pieces not only from the romantic era, but in all of piano music. If you have any doubts, just get a recording of it and the music and watch the notes go by on the page. In one measure it even has 64th notes! [/b] Man, it MUST be the hardest piece if it has 64th notes..
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#597697 - 11/01/04 09:09 AM
Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by virtuoso418: Originally posted by valarking: Almost 3 years now NAK. [/b] 3 years wont be enough. I mean, you could still learn la campanella if you nit-pick every single measure and have an overwhelming desire to learn it but you'll probably end up with months(maybe more) sticking to it if you try. Good laugh though. [/b] How about this. You do these easy, simple steps: 1. Read my post right before yours. 2. Read it again V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y. 3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until you comprehend my post 4. Get your mother to check that you actually did comprehend it Next time, read before you post, Mr. "Virtuoso". ( :rolleyes: ). If it matters, I don't really think you could handle La Camanella, as long as we all know everything.
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#597698 - 11/01/04 02:24 PM
Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by valarking: 4. Get your mother to check that you actually did comprehend it [/b] This coming from you? Belligerent little fella, arent ya
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