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#597669 - 10/25/04 10:04 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Welcome to the forums, Vladtepes!

paulie567, I'm listening to the rhapsody right now. So far, I think it's okay, but it's a bit too -- how do you say -- empty. He could use the damper pedal a bit more. :p

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#597670 - 10/26/04 01:28 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by paulie567:
Check out this recording of Rachmaninoff playing Liszt's HR2 -- if you can mentally tune out all the hiss and scratching it quickly becomes clear what an amazing pianist Rachmaninoff was.

http://classic.manual.ru/Rachmaninov-performer/Liszt_VengRhap_2.html

I've never heard such an incredible performance, in Bugs Bunny cartoons or anywhere else... :-) [/b]
Really? I found that recording fairly dull and uninteresting...especially his cadenza. But that's just me. Have you heard Horowitz playing his transcription of the piece? It's pretty amazing in my opinion.

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#597671 - 10/26/04 04:53 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by –anor:
hm... Alkan.... I can't find the "music" in his scores... just a personal opinion... [/b]
I'm with Danor all the way. I'm teaching my daughter Alkan's Barcarolle. This little piece is beautiful and technically easy. His music to me is some sort of side dish. Not a main course thing. I don't get much out of it besides the pyrotechnics.

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#597672 - 10/26/04 09:10 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by NAK:
Welcome to the forums, Vladtepes!

paulie567, I'm listening to the rhapsody right now. So far, I think it's okay, but it's a bit too -- how do you say -- empty. He could use the damper pedal a bit more. :p [/b]
Perhaps it's a Russian thing.

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#597673 - 10/27/04 08:59 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by paulie567:
Check out this recording of Rachmaninoff playing Liszt's HR2 -- if you can mentally tune out all the hiss and scratching it quickly becomes clear what an amazing pianist Rachmaninoff was.

http://classic.manual.ru/Rachmaninov-performer/Liszt_VengRhap_2.html

I've never heard such an incredible performance, in Bugs Bunny cartoons or anywhere else... :-) [/b]
I quite like this piece, was the part from 8:30 onwards in Liszt's original score or did Rachmaninoff add that bit himself?

The only disappointment to the piece was probably the beginning, which didn't seem to be played with enough emotion (perhaps too 'staccato' for my liking)

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#597674 - 10/27/04 09:13 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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^^ That is what I was thinking.

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#597675 - 10/27/04 09:20 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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I'm not about to get into a "whose piece is more difficult" thing, but don't forget La Campanella. I just can't imagine taking so many risky jumps in the middle of a recital or competition. I'm already nervous enough playing pieces that don't require much leaping around.

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#597676 - 10/27/04 10:06 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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I have just had a listen to the La Campanella piece, It's definately one of Liszt's better compositions. I may try and learn it if I'm ever done with HR2.

I have also found out that Rachmaninoff did write a cadenza for HR2, so I'm presuming that that was 8:30 on that 1919 recording was.

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#597677 - 10/27/04 10:15 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Liszt wants you to use your own cadenza for the Rhapsody, as he has it marked "cadenza ad libitum" at measure 420. He wrote a full series of cadenzas for this piece, but I think Rachmaninoff invented his own. Either way, I'm still maintaining that Horowitz's performance blows this recording completely out of the water. :p

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#597678 - 10/27/04 10:19 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Vladtepes:

But you should try to play Un Sospiro it's much nicer than the HR2 [/b]
i completely agree.

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#597679 - 10/27/04 10:20 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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... if "nice" is what you want, yes.
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#597680 - 10/27/04 10:23 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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maybe i shouldn't have quoted him. i just prefer the piece in general. and it also happens to be "nice" too :p

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#597681 - 10/27/04 10:26 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Deus ex Pianoforte:
Liszt wants you to use your own cadenza for the Rhapsody, as he has it marked "cadenza ad libitum" at measure 420.[/b]
Cool, If I ever get that far I'm definately going to write my own then ;\)

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#597682 - 10/27/04 11:15 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Have you ever heard Cziffra's recording? It's ... orgasmic.

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#597683 - 10/27/04 12:28 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Yup. I've heard 2, the studio and a live one, couldnt tell you where the live one was from.

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#597684 - 10/28/04 11:52 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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> paulie567, I'm listening to the rhapsody right now. So far, I think it's okay, but it's a bit too -- how do you say -- empty. He could use the damper pedal a bit more

I think it might just be the lousy recording quality, you're right it does seem a bit staccato. Re. Horowitz's version, I haven't heard it so I'll have to check that out.

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#597685 - 10/29/04 07:57 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Hough has a great HR 2.

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#597686 - 10/30/04 03:29 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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I'm 14 - I was just recently learning HR2, I got through the lassan, but then I had to put it on hold to learn Chopin's 1st Concerto in E minor for a music festival. My favorite piece (although I can't play it yet) is Chopin's 2nd Scherzo in Bb minor - it is definately much harder than HR2. However above all, one of the most chalenging pieces of all time is also by Liszt - it's La Campanella (which I can most certainly not play). It is definatelly one of the hardest pieces not only from the romantic era, but in all of piano music. If you have any doubts, just get a recording of it and the music and watch the notes go by on the page. In one measure it even has 64th notes!
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#597687 - 10/30/04 03:32 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bando Commando:
However above all, one of the most chalenging pieces of all time is also by Liszt - it's La Campanella (which I can most certainly not play). It is definatelly one of the hardest pieces not only from the romantic era, but in all of piano music.[/b]
Hahahaha... haha.. ha... hahaha...

If I set to it, I could do La Campanella right now. However, just about everything else I want to play is way out of my reach. Therefor, Everything-else-thats-good > La Campanella

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#597688 - 10/30/04 11:33 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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VK, how long have you been playing?

Not that I care, really.

NAK

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#597689 - 10/31/04 05:43 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Almost 3 years now NAK.

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#597690 - 10/31/04 06:45 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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And you could manage La Campanella!? I really need to practice more! \:D

Not that I care, really.

NAK

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#597691 - 10/31/04 06:55 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by NAK:
And you could manage La Campanella!? I really need to practice more! \:D

Not that I care, really.

NAK [/b]
I think that I could learn it, just like I could probably learn Alkan's Comme la Vent, except to a lesser degree ;\) . I would have to go over it measure by measure, taking months, and finally I would have a performance that I wouldn't really have control over. No, I think I will put that one along with Ravel's Gaspard (which I couldn't do right now \:D ) in my "to do one of these days" pile. Right now I'm pursuing pieces that I actually can control and learn relatively quickly.

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#597692 - 10/31/04 07:53 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
Almost 3 years now NAK. [/b]
3 years wont be enough. I mean, you could still learn la campanella if you nit-pick every single measure and have an overwhelming desire to learn it but you'll probably end up with months(maybe more) sticking to it if you try.

Good laugh though.

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#597693 - 10/31/04 08:14 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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#597694 - 10/31/04 08:38 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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VK, I see what you mean. At least you're not one of those idiots who wastes months on a piece that you know you won't be able to handle.

Not that I care, really.

NAK

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#597695 - 11/01/04 08:23 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bando Commando:
I'm 14 - I was just recently learning HR2, I got through the lassan, but then I had to put it on hold to learn Chopin's 1st Concerto in E minor for a music festival. My favorite piece (although I can't play it yet) is Chopin's 2nd Scherzo in Bb minor - it is definately much harder than HR2. However above all, one of the most chalenging pieces of all time is also by Liszt - it's La Campanella (which I can most certainly not play). It is definatelly one of the hardest pieces not only from the romantic era, but in all of piano music. If you have any doubts, just get a recording of it and the music and watch the notes go by on the page. In one measure it even has 64th notes! [/b]
Man, it MUST be the hardest piece if it has 64th notes..

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#597696 - 11/01/04 08:34 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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When I was only playing for about 2 years I did try La Campanella. Sure, I memorized all of the notes and was able to play it half assed from beginning to end, but maybe I would not do it again. It is better when you are more prepared technically and musically so you can fully interpret the piece in a shorter amount of time.

I only did it because I had an insatiable desire to learn it, but it was a good experience regardless. It is a lot safer to build up to such pieces, with easier works one after the other until you are ready.

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#597697 - 11/01/04 09:09 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by virtuoso418:
 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
Almost 3 years now NAK. [/b]
3 years wont be enough. I mean, you could still learn la campanella if you nit-pick every single measure and have an overwhelming desire to learn it but you'll probably end up with months(maybe more) sticking to it if you try.

Good laugh though. [/b]
How about this. You do these easy, simple steps:
1. Read my post right before yours.
2. Read it again V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y.
3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until you comprehend my post
4. Get your mother to check that you actually did comprehend it

Next time, read before you post, Mr. "Virtuoso". ( :rolleyes: ).
If it matters, I don't really think you could handle La Camanella, as long as we all know everything.

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#597698 - 11/01/04 02:24 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:

4. Get your mother to check that you actually did comprehend it

[/b]
This coming from you?


Belligerent little fella, arent ya

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