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#597699 - 11/01/04 04:20 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by virtuoso418:
 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:

4. Get your mother to check that you actually did comprehend it

[/b]
This coming from you?


Belligerent little fella, arent ya [/b]
Ahhh.. youth.

I wish I knew now, as much as I did when I was his age.

\:\)

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#597700 - 11/01/04 04:47 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by virtuoso418:
 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:

4. Get your mother to check that you actually did comprehend it

[/b]
This coming from you?


Belligerent little fella, arent ya [/b]
I honestly doubt that you are over the age of 13. That's pretty generous too.

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#597701 - 11/01/04 05:47 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
 Quote:
Originally posted by virtuoso418:
 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:

4. Get your mother to check that you actually did comprehend it

[/b]
This coming from you?


Belligerent little fella, arent ya [/b]
I honestly doubt that you are over the age of 13. That's pretty generous too. [/b]
At the risk of being called a nosey newcomer, I think a read through of virtuoso418's posts will show that the grammar and syntax are far beyond even the most able teenager.
Coherence and maturity are usually highly correlated.
\:\)

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#597702 - 11/01/04 06:14 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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"Coherence and maturity are usually highly correlated."

Not really.

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#597703 - 11/01/04 06:25 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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why not?
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#597704 - 11/01/04 07:11 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by JosephS.:
why not? [/b]
Because anyone could just sit down and spew out a bunch of overused rhetoric and still be an idiot.

Not that I care, really.

NAK

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#597705 - 11/01/04 07:16 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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MMSGA, I take it this isn't one of the posts that exemplifies virtuoso418's grammatical skills.

 Quote:
Originally posted by virtuoso418:
Cool. He's one of my favs. I have some of his CDs but never got to see him in concert. Now I jealous. [/b]
Not that I care, really.

NAK

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#597706 - 11/01/04 07:30 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by NAK:
MMSGA, I take it this isn't one of the posts that exemplifies virtuoso418's grammatical skills.

 Quote:
Originally posted by virtuoso418:
Cool. He's one of my favs. I have some of his CDs but never got to see him in concert. Now I jealous. [/b]
Not that I care, really.

NAK [/b]
Haha...

 Quote:
Not that I care, really.

NAK
You need to make that your sig.

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#597707 - 11/01/04 07:30 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by NAK:]Not that I care, really.

NAK [/QB]
Ah, but you DO!

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#597708 - 11/01/04 07:32 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
"Coherence and maturity are usually highly correlated."

Not really. [/b]
Actually, yes. Really...

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#597709 - 11/01/04 09:28 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by valarking:
 Quote:
Not that I care, really.

NAK
You need to make that your sig. [/b]
I'll try, but I don't think it will have the same effect. Here we go...

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#597710 - 11/01/04 09:30 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Eh, I guess it's okay this way. \:\)

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#597711 - 11/01/04 09:30 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by MMSGA:
 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
"Coherence and maturity are usually highly correlated."

Not really. [/b]
Actually, yes. Really... [/b]
NO. Not at all.
I know musical geniuses who don't even puncuate. They use the stupid ... marks to seperate thoughts. It's a pain in the *** to read, but some of them give incredible insight and stories. Likewise, there are idiots who take the time to pander to grammer police.

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#597712 - 11/01/04 09:51 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
 Quote:
Originally posted by MMSGA:
 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
"Coherence and maturity are usually highly correlated."

Not really. [/b]
Actually, yes. Really... [/b]
NO. Not at all.
I know musical geniuses who don't even puncuate. They use the stupid ... marks to seperate thoughts. It's a pain in the *** to read, but some of them give incredible insight and stories. Likewise, there are idiots who take the time to pander to grammer police. [/b]
Agreed. But, when you manage to get through the ..., it's worth it.
They are the people who can actually PLAY Campanella after 3 years of study, and not have to obsess over it, to the exclusion of more profitable study and technique development.

Are you a musical genius? And I mean that in the context of your own definitions...

Maybe you COULD play it after 3 years of intense study.

But pandering to the grammar police, (not to mention improving your education), would serve you better, than pandering to your obsessive need to be able to play ONE piece of music, badly.

When you grow up, and mature, you will understand what I, and others, have been hinting at.

Until then, this discussion, and others where you feel defensive, will revolve around vacuous statements and flawed reasoning.

Oh to be young and know everything...

Good luck with the Liszt.

Not that I care, really. \:\)

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#597713 - 11/01/04 10:02 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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"Are you a musical genius?"
No.

Guys, let me sum up my previous posts, again, so nobody misunderstands me, again.

I could concievably do it with sufficient time and practice, but I choose not to[/b].

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#597714 - 11/01/04 10:22 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
"Are you a musical genius?"
No.

Guys, let me sum up my previous posts, again, so nobody misunderstands me, again.

I could concievably do it with sufficient time and practice, but I choose not to[/b]. [/b]
:)

Do you plan on returning to it at a later date?
I was mesmerised when I first heard it, many years ago, (along with the 2nd Rhapsody), and really wanted to give it a go.
However, it was obviously way too difficult, and I lost 'faith'. I don't plan on returning to it, as it is more beneficial for me to play other things. Likewise with the rhapsody. At the moment, neither are worth my while...

Mike

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#597715 - 11/02/04 08:56 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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You're really overrating it. I think its quite achievable, granted it would take a few months but it's easily plausible for a 3 year pianist to learn it. It's all down to the way they are being taught (its my opinion that students who are pressured to do grades will never be able to catch up with the students who aren't)

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#597716 - 11/02/04 12:38 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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The problem with most teenagers (possibly even younger) is how provoked they are with "big" words, if there's such a thing. There are uncommonly used words, but that doesn't make it a big word. I love it when someone has to scrutinize someone else's word choice because it looks like an attempt to look intelligent, but that's a normal accusation.
Me, why do I choose this type of diction? It's simply the influence around me, i'm surrounding by people who speak like that. So i can't help it. But i'm not going to try to convince you if im intelligent or not.

And valaking, I love you how contradict yourself.


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#597717 - 11/02/04 01:59 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Max W:
You're really overrating it. I think its quite achievable, granted it would take a few months but it's easily plausible for a 3 year pianist to learn it. It's all down to the way they are being taught (its my opinion that students who are pressured to do grades will never be able to catch up with the students who aren't) [/b]
Wow, I must really suck then. \:\( I mean, I've been playing for maybe 6-8 years and I still haven't mastered the Rhapsody after 6 months of study. Is this way below average or what?

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#597718 - 11/02/04 02:53 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Yeah you suck! :p

No, of course different people have different speeds of learning, its all subjective anyway I was just generalising.

When you say 'haven't mastered' HR2, what do you mean? Learnt all the notes and working on getting it to speed?

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#597719 - 11/02/04 04:02 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by MMSGA:
 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
"Are you a musical genius?"
No.

Guys, let me sum up my previous posts, again, so nobody misunderstands me, again.

I could concievably do it with sufficient time and practice, but I choose not to[/b]. [/b]
:)

Do you plan on returning to it at a later date?
I was mesmerised when I first heard it, many years ago, (along with the 2nd Rhapsody), and really wanted to give it a go.
However, it was obviously way too difficult, and I lost 'faith'. I don't plan on returning to it, as it is more beneficial for me to play other things. Likewise with the rhapsody. At the moment, neither are worth my while...

Mike [/b]
I may try it in a few years. It's basically a showpiece and there are others as well that I'd like to learn. It's a blast to play though and the leaping is not something that I have found terribly difficult. It does take some work though.

virtuoso:
If that's all you can come up with... :rolleyes:

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#597720 - 11/02/04 04:15 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
 Quote:
Originally posted by MMSGA:
 Quote:
Originally posted by valarking:
"Are you a musical genius?"
No.

Guys, let me sum up my previous posts, again, so nobody misunderstands me, again.

I could concievably do it with sufficient time and practice, but I choose not to[/b]. [/b]
:)

Do you plan on returning to it at a later date?
I was mesmerised when I first heard it, many years ago, (along with the 2nd Rhapsody), and really wanted to give it a go.
However, it was obviously way too difficult, and I lost 'faith'. I don't plan on returning to it, as it is more beneficial for me to play other things. Likewise with the rhapsody. At the moment, neither are worth my while...

Mike [/b]
I may try it in a few years. It's basically a showpiece and there are others as well that I'd like to learn. It's a blast to play though and the leaping is not something that I have found terribly difficult. It does take some work though.

virtuoso:
If that's all you can come up with... :rolleyes: [/b]
Yeah - a very visual piece, to be sure. Check out the original - the final movement of the 2nd violin concerto by Pag... It's a little different, but Liszt does a superb transcription. (His first transcription is a little 'thick', but the more popular version we hear, is 'better')..

Maybe you should check out all the Paganini Etudes, and put this into perspective. The 4th is accessible, and the 6th is very rich in sonority.

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#597721 - 11/02/04 05:08 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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MMSGA, I've looked at the other Paganini etudes, both versions. While, yes, the 4th and 6th are perhaps easier than Camanella, the others...

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#597722 - 11/02/04 07:34 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Originally posted by Max W:

When you say 'haven't mastered' HR2, what do you mean? Learnt all the notes and working on getting it to speed? [/b]
Yeah, pretty much. I can play the piece from start to finish at a decent slowed tempo, but when I try to play several places at normal speed, I start to omit and hit wrong notes. It's like my left hand starts to panic if I go too fast and the rapid octave/chord-octave/chord leaps become impossible.

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#597723 - 11/02/04 08:17 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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DP, I know what you mean...
You know what that means. ;\) Yep, that's right, SLOW PRACTICE! Mwahahaha...

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#597724 - 11/03/04 12:02 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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Haha, I suppose so. It seems like the "P" word is the answer to 90% of problems with learning the piano.

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#597725 - 11/03/04 07:00 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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I am learning it next semester for Uni, I have to do 1 Baroque Piece, 1 Classical, 1 Romantic and 2 20th Cent. So I would like to do the Hungarian Rhapsody no 2, however, no 4 is easier if your thinking of playing one of them.

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#597726 - 11/03/04 09:51 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Deus ex Pianoforte:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Max W:

When you say 'haven't mastered' HR2, what do you mean? Learnt all the notes and working on getting it to speed? [/b]
Yeah, pretty much. I can play the piece from start to finish at a decent slowed tempo, but when I try to play several places at normal speed, I start to omit and hit wrong notes. It's like my left hand starts to panic if I go too fast and the rapid octave/chord-octave/chord leaps become impossible. [/b]
Well I wouldn't put yourself down then, while the majority of the piece is managable there are some real tricky octave leaps \:\)

(I cant play them at the tempo I'd like to either)

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#597727 - 11/03/04 11:33 AM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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This thread was hilarious
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#597728 - 11/03/04 07:41 PM Re: Franz Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2
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 Quote:
Originally posted by NAK:
MMSGA, I take it this isn't one of the posts that exemplifies virtuoso418's grammatical skills.

 Quote:
Originally posted by virtuoso418:
Cool. He's one of my favs. I have some of his CDs but never got to see him in concert. Now I jealous. [/b]
Not that I care, really.

NAK [/b]
You kind of...well...completely quoted the wrong person.

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